Police entrapment: Nuttall and Korody freed

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I thought the rule was a cop cannot encourage someone to commit a crime.

If they just make themselves available as an accomplice if asked then it is not entrapment.

Selling sex is illegal if a cop goes undercover as a sex worker they are making the sell of sex available with the intent to attract Johns, which is entrapment.

[Wilber]

Buying sex is illegal. If a cop dresses up as a hooker and someone comes to her and tries to buy sex from her, that is not entrapment. If the cop goes over to someone and tries to sell sex to them, that is entrapment

[jacee]

I have already said more than once that I don't disagree with the judge's decision. in fact, I think what the RCMP did in this case was unethical.

At a minimum, yes.

Nuttall and Korody expressed a real desire to kill people and carried out all the steps necessary to do so. If that RCMP officer had been a real jihadist manipulating them, there would have been dead and maimed people all over the Legislature lawn that morning, so as far as there being "thousands more just like them" on Canada's streets, we all better pray that there aren't.

There a lot of damaged people on our streets but unlike Nuttall and Korody only a tiny number of them would have any inclination toward committing murder, let alone mass murder.

You do not understand developmentally challenged and disturbed people. They are very gullible, eager to please and unaware of consequences.

Does a young child know when he points a gun like they do on tv that his brother is actually going to die?

No. It's playing ... playacting.

Kids shoot themselves and others that way all the time.

The RCMP understood that the couple was not capable of those crimes, all raving delusions of grandeur with no goal-directed action. The officers had to work really hard, and go way over the line, to coerce them and entrap them.

These are disabled and disturbed adults with the minds of playacting children, albeit with gruesome fantasies, and they were preyed upon by the RCMP.

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[Army Guy]

Entrapment decision a pyrrhic victory if Bill C-51 not amended:

Bill C-51 goes beyond reasonable suspicion by allowing people to be targeted for their views and associations

Setting up the mentally ill or hapless to commit crimes they could never carry out on their own and spending tax dollars to save us from these plots is at best ludicrous. Our agencies should be dealing with actual threats, not creating them.

The B.C. court ruling highlights the need for major amendments to Bill C-51. Rather than appealing it, Ottawa must curtail the carte blanche given [C-51] to national security agencies.

Police have always targeted people for their views and associations.

With Bill C-51, Harper's ammendment to the Anti-terror Act now in effect, people can be 'searched and seized', incarcerated and interrogated using all techniques except physical and sexual abuse ... for nothing more that their 'views and associations'.

Indigenous activists, political activists, environment activists, NeoNazis, anyone they choose to target can be hauled off to secret locations until they can threaten and torture them into 'confessing', ratting out others, or entrap them into criminal activity.

CSIS on steroids, and the RCMP on an ego trip to 'one up' CSIS.

No crime, no actions, no evidence necessary, not even 'reasonable suspicion':

Just views and associations.

So why would freedom of expression and freedom of association still be in the Constitution?

Might as well just remove them, because

Bill C-51 already did!

It was the police who were the leaders of the plot.

Waaaaaaaay too much power.

Canada ... the police state.

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WOW....I don't suppose you have any proof of all these accusations....secret locations, torture, and then the last statement Canada is a police state....

I'm beginning to think you would not know a police state if it bite you in the ass.....

[jacee]

WOW....I don't suppose you have any proof of all these accusations....secret locations, torture, and then the last statement Canada is a police state....

I'm beginning to think you would not know a police state if it bite you in the ass.....

I know C51 described the police state we live in.

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[PIK]

Just thank god the cops got to them 1st before some ISIS supporter.

[TimG]

Just thank god the cops got to them 1st before some ISIS supporter.

I doubt an ISIS supporter would have wasted his time with this pair of incompetents.

[PIK]

That is exactly the type they would like.

[dialamah]

I doubt an ISIS supporter would have wasted his time with this pair of incompetents.

Haha, good point.

[Chairman Meow]

If you are going to make the claim that they were threatened, then you'll have to provide a cite.

I didn't mean coerced by force... you can coerce someone with material gain, etc.

Here, ...

" There are no remedies less drastic than a stay of proceedings that will address the abuse of process. The spectre of the defendants serving a life sentence for a crime that the police manufactured by exploiting their vulnerabilities, by instilling fear that they would be killed if they backed out, and by quashing all doubts they had in the religious justifications for the crime, is offensive to our concept of fundamental justice. Simply put, the world has enough terrorists. We do not need the police to create more out of marginalized people who have neither the capacity nor sufficient motivation to do it themselves." Bruce wrote.

You can read the full ruling here in which the judge tells the whole story.

They were even shown $20,000 dollars. But these people tried to back out and were threatened, and they feared for their lives...

"Your'e right, we have no options," says Nuttall. "We have no way out. We have to do it."

Edited September 22, 2016 by Chairman Meow

[Chairman Meow]

"There a lot of damaged people on our streets but unlike Nuttall and Korody only a tiny number of them would have any inclination toward committing murder, let alone mass murder."

Read the ruling again. "And lest anyone think that Nuttall and Korody should have simply stood up to the RCMP at some point and refused to continue the absurd plot, Bruce says it was not just a question of the couple’s obvious personal weaknesses.

“When I consider all of the pressures placed upon the defendants by the RCMP during the undercover operation, as well as the multi-faceted control exercised over their actions and the beliefs they held that justified the use of violence for religious purposes, I find that the average person, with strengths and weaknesses, and with or without the vulnerabilities of the defendants, would likely have planted the pressure cooker devices to save their own lives despite the risk to others,” Bruce wrote.

Edited September 22, 2016 by Chairman Meow

[eyeball]

Here, ...

"...Simply put, the world has enough terrorists. We do not need the police to create more..."

Prior to this we long ago should have had leaders and politicians who said the same about powerful manipulative governments creating more dictatorships - the real root cause behind so much of the terrorism we're now faced with.

They were even shown $20,000 dollars. But these people tried to back out and were threatened, and they feared for their lives...

"Your'e right, we have no options," says Nuttall. "We have no way out. We have to do it."

Yep, There's little reason to believe a similar approach wasn't used to recruit the dictators we empowered.

Welcome to the forum.

[jacee]

That is exactly the type they would like.

No PIK. They were too dense, delusional and scattered to figure out how to do anything dangerous. The police had to do their thinking for them.

Not prime material for ISIS recruiting.

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