betsy Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Seeing what's happening next door, I can't help thinking that they seem to be hurtling towards a very big event. Nation-wide unrest? Civil war? Martial law? The coming election - who ever wins - can result in civil unrest. Black Lives Matter Islamic concerns Resurgence of extremist right, and Supremacists Economy All those and what I may have failed to mention, seems to be coming into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Seeing what's happening next door, I can't help thinking that they seem to be hurtling towards a very big event. Nation-wide unrest? Civil war? Martial law? Economy All those and what I may have failed to mention, seems to be coming into play. As seen somewhere on Twitter: People don't want to give up economic pessimism because it would diminish the urgency of their political angst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Seeing what's happening next door, I can't help thinking that they seem to be hurtling towards a very big event. Nation-wide unrest? Civil war? Martial law? The coming election - who ever wins - can result in civil unrest. Black Lives Matter Islamic concerns Resurgence of extremist right, and Supremacists Economy All those and what I may have failed to mention, seems to be coming into play. You living in the hope that it's the beginning of the end of days? Me too. I like popcorn. Edited July 14, 2016 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Chicken Littles will always squawk. Rapture-seekers have been carrying The End is Near signs for decades and decades. The U.S. will be fine, so long as they don't elect that batshit-insane guy to be president (and they won't). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Yes...the U.S. is always hurtling towards the next big event...that's how it became the most powerful nation on the planet. It is a proven formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Seeing what's happening next door, I can't help thinking that they seem to be hurtling towards a very big event. Nation-wide unrest? Civil war? Martial law?.... Betsy, if you think/post this here, I reckon that Hillary or her staffers have started to understand politics/persuasion. http://blog.dilbert.com/ Edited July 14, 2016 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHackerMP Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 As an American, I cannot help but think that some of you are thinking rather pessimistically (or perhaps optimistically?) We've had far worse unrest before. Even if it doubled, or tripled in its intensity, we've still survived worse. Then again, I'm an optimist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I think it is too much recency effect and not enough historical perspective. A couple of related reads: http://thereformedbroker.com/2016/03/22/the-markets-response-to-crisis-2/ http://www.crossingwallstreet.com/archives/2013/11/what-happens-to-stocks-when-disaster-strikes.html And my favourite about Jesse Livermore: http://thereformedbroker.com/2016/06/27/one-hundred-and-ten-years-ago/ Get a grip, lose the angst, stop hoping for the sky to fall as if it will be interpreted as some kind of proof that we need to find Gawd Almighty again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHackerMP Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I agree with your last sentence, msj! And I live close to Baltimore, if that tells you anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archduke al-Qaddafi Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 When (not if) the US collapses we in Canada need to be ready for an influx of Americans streaming across our border and bringing their American problems with them. It is a truly frightening thought. My plan is to head to the far north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 The Americans have dealt with Canadians streaming across the border going south for decades. The ratio is currently about 3 to 1 Canadians going south for every American going north. Must be the weather...so they tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archduke al-Qaddafi Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 The Americans have dealt with Canadians streaming across the border going south for decades. The ratio is currently about 3 to 1 Canadians going south for every American going north. Must be the weather...so they tell me. What is your point? Times change. The United States WILL become a failed state, and when that happens I would like to be far away from the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 What is your point? Times change. The United States WILL become a failed state, and when that happens I would like to be far away from the border. OK...so logically, Canada has been a failed state for a long time. Why have so many Canadians gone south ? Is my "point" clearer now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) The "big meltdown" of course. When did it happen ? Is it only a "big meltdown" if Americans go north ? What about Mexicans...they go north a lot...like Canadians going south. Edited July 16, 2016 by Charles Anthony deleted quote of foul language Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 As an American, I cannot help but think that some of you are thinking rather pessimistically (or perhaps optimistically?) We've had far worse unrest before. Even if it doubled, or tripled in its intensity, we've still survived worse. Then again, I'm an optimist. I think that the point being made is, this could be the tip of the iceberg. In other words, far worse unrest than you've had before. My question is, if this occurs, will it reduce US power and influence on the world stage temporarily? That's all China needs to take over some more Islands in the South China Sea. It's all Putin needs to expand his borders as well. Who's going to stop them, the UN? (Please ignore the sound of snickering) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Yes this could be the tip, or this is the tip, or this is the top, or this is the top.... http://charts.stocktwits.com/production/original_58536446.?1468600112 I reiterate: people don't want to give up their economic pessimism because it diminishes the urgency of their political angst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHackerMP Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Exactly. Wishful thinking, sharkman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 I wouldn't wish the deaths of Americans be they black, white, or dressed in blue. The US has a serious, serious dilemma and part of the problem is attitudes like yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 What, specifically, is wrong with our attitudes? That we are optimistic? That we aren't running around like chicken littles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Yes this could be the tip, or this is the tip, or this is the top, or this is the top.... http://charts.stocktwits.com/production/original_58536446.?1468600112 I reiterate: people don't want to give up their economic pessimism because it diminishes the urgency of their political angst. As opposed to those who don't want to give up their optimism. I feel your angst. Lost fortune and opportunity probably sucks most of all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 It is what Morgan Housel says in my signature: my biggest takeaway from economics is the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think and the future will be better than you anticipate. I look back over my life and I have to agree. I have gnashed my teeth worrying about big things that never happen: big economic or environmental or geopolitical events. In fact I have worried about these stupid things and then got blindsided by cancer which was rather micro-individual thing and also has helped to put those so called bigger things into perspective (and the little things too for that matter). The world works just fine. Not perfect, maybe not good enough for many, but good enough for me and I'm glad that I'm lucky enough to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Like I said I bought a ticket and took a similar ride. In any case it's my grandkids I mostly think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Don't have kids so, as Andrea Leadsom MP and secretary of whatever she is in the UK would say: I don't have a stake in the future. To some degree she is right: I don't give a poop about your grand kids and my nieces and nephew can find out the world ain't so bad in their own time. I'm reminded of someone when I was young who said something like: why would anyone have kids in this day and age with all the problems in the world. It is only later that I realized how historically ignorant she was. There was/is never a good time to have children if one wants to pursue that angle. Of course, people should or should not have kids for more straightforward reasons: lifestyle..... Edited July 17, 2016 by msj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) What, specifically, is wrong with our attitudes? That we are optimistic? That we aren't running around like chicken littles? What is specifically wrong with your attitudes? If you hadn't noticed, the title is posed as a question! Why is it being asked? Because of the news that we see recently! And all the factors that COULD come together! That you would automatically connect that question - which has a LOGICAL basis, btw - to the biblical rapture.......suggests that you've got a tremendous chip on shoulder, that obviously affect your thinking process! I wouldn't call that, optimism. You're reacting so strongly to a question. I call that, ignorance! And irrelevant! You're not on the same page! How is the OP connected in any way with religion, and end of times? Because it's been asked by a religious person? Anyway........you think end-of-times will manifest only in the USA? That's nuts! You're irrationally being so....... defensive! To connect a logical, realistic question to end of times and rapture indicate that you're the one obsessed with it! That's projected in your attitude towards the title and the OP! Edited July 17, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) As an American, I cannot help but think that some of you are thinking rather pessimistically (or perhaps optimistically?) We've had far worse unrest before. Even if it doubled, or tripled in its intensity, we've still survived worse. Then again, I'm an optimist. Maybe, I'm so uninformed. The OP had given several issues that are happening simultaneously....thus the question (title). You say you'd had far worse. Like what kind of unrest in recent history? Give an example. Even if it doubled, or tripled in its intensity, we've still survived worse. That sounds like wishful thinking to me. You don't have any standard for the intensity that which you speak of - therefore you have no clue as to what it means if it's doubled, or tripled. Again, I'd stated numerous issues that are happening practically at the same time. I might've neglected to add other factors too. I could also point to the fact that the USA isn't exactly like the very same USA we knew 50 years ago. Obviously. Edited July 17, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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