Rape By Migrants Isn't As Bad.

[betsy]

It must be true that there's an influx of rape going on in some hot spots in Europe.

Otherwise, why would this feminist Swedish MP make such a statement that actually tries to give excuses to rapes committed by MUSLIM migrants?

Swedish politician: Migrant rape isn’t as bad

Feminist Left Party politician Barbro Sörman says it’s ‘worse’ when Swedish men rape women than when immigrants do it.

She explained that Swedish men are brought up in a society that believes in gender equality and therefore should be held to higher standards than migrants, who come from cultures where women are treated as second-rate citizens.

Sweden is widely known as the rape capital of Europe. It has been noted that Muslim immigrants are massively over represented in the official rape statistics.

Sweden has the fastest growing population in Europe, due nearly totally to the influx of Arabs and Muslims from the Middle East. At the same time, its crime rate has increased astronomically: In 1975, 421 rapes were reported to the police; in 2014, it was 6,620.

Conservative politicians who try to draw attention to this problem have been charged with hate crimes, while some Swedish rape victims are said to be reluctant to report sexual assaults to police because they fear it may “offend” the perpetrators.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/214479

[betsy]

The Brexit result is just among the growing backlash happening in Europe. I see it as a slap on the UN, too.

Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys

The case shows how those who don’t follow Swiss rules and customs won't become citizens, even if they have lived in the country for a long time, are fluent in one of the national languages — German, French or Italian — and are gainfully employed.

In April, members of an immigrant family in the Basel area were denied citizenship because they wore sweatpants around town and did not greet passersby — a sure sign that they were not sufficiently assimilated, the naturalization board claimed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/28/swiss-deny-citizenship-muslim-girls-who-balked-swimming-boys/86469658/

I think it'll be bye-bye for Merkel soon.

Angela Merkel was reeling from a series of election losses on Sunday that could be the most serious challenge she has faced to her power in Germany.

The vote, on what the German press called “Super Sunday”, was for regional parliaments in three of the country’s federal states.

But the timing meant that it was seen as a virtual referendum on Mrs Merkel’s controversial “open-door” refugee policy.

The results could seriously undermine the German chancellor as she tries to persuade EU leaders to agree to a deal with Turkey to resolve the migrant crisis.

Mrs Merkel’s Christian Democrat party (CDU) was beaten in its stronghold of Baden-Württemberg for the first time in more than 50 years, according to exit polls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/angela-merkel/12192785/Angela-Merkels-party-suffers-drubbing-in-German-state-votes.html

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

Otherwise, why would this feminist Swedish MP make such a statement that actually tries to give excuses to rapes committed by MUSLIM migrants?

You misunderstood her words or are being deliberately misleading. She gave no excuses. But why the all-caps for Muslim?

[betsy]

You misunderstood her words or are being deliberately misleading. She gave no excuses. But why the all-caps for Muslim?

Rape, is rape!

Just because Muslims come from a different culture does not make the crime any lesser than if a Swedish guy committed the act. Explain that to the woman who was raped!

"Oh, you have to be more understanding, girl. You're lucky it was a Muslim that raped you.....it ain't so bad since he came from a culture that see women as chattels. Nothing personal."

They're talking about MUSLIMS!

Read the article - who do they actually refer to when they say, "migrants?"

“77.6 percent of the country’s rapists are identified as “foreigners” (and that’s significant because in Sweden, ‘foreigner’ is generally synonymous with ‘immigrant from Muslim country’),

To generalize it, is unfair to non-Muslim migrants.

Yes, that was trying to make excuses - trying to lessen the severity of the crime by comparison - and blaming it on the culture! Fortunately, people didn't buy her bull! It backfired, and she was forced to retract.

If that's the case - if it comes to having to deal with that kind of mentality like that idiot Swedish MP - anti-immigrant groups are vindicated in their fight to have the migrants ousted from their countries!

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

Rape, is rape!

Just because Muslims come from a different culture does not make the crime any lesser than if a Swedish guy committed the act.

Again, you are misunderstanding what she said. She didn't say rape by MUSLIMS is a lesser crime; she said MUSLIMS come from a lesser culture so we shouldn't be surprised. This is actually something you probably agree with.

[Guest]

Again, you are misunderstanding what she said. She didn't say rape by MUSLIMS is a lesser crime; she said MUSLIMS come from a lesser culture so we shouldn't be surprised. This is actually something you probably agree with.

If the article quotes correctly, she did say that rape by a person who grew up in Sweden is worse.

[betsy]

Again, you are misunderstanding what she said. She didn't say rape by MUSLIMS is a lesser crime; she said MUSLIMS come from a lesser culture so we shouldn't be surprised. This is actually something you probably agree with.

Read the article, Bubber.

[BubberMiley]

If the article quotes correctly, she did say that rape by a person who grew up in Sweden is worse.

Not worse for the victim, but a worse transgression because, by their superior culture, they should know better.

[BubberMiley]

Read the article, Bubber.

I did. Then I explained it to you. But still you aren't getting it.

[TimG]

Not worse for the victim, but a worse transgression because, by their superior culture, they should know better.

You are right. She is making the grossly racist suggestion that the level of guilt is less because Muslims are too ignorant to know better. It is not much better than the logic behind the Gladue decision which says that Natives should get lower sentences because their grandparents went to residential schools.

When left wing people are racist this is the type of crap you see. Of course if a right wing politician has said something so racist the mob would be demanding resignations.

Edited July 8, 2016 by TimG

[scribblet]

She actually said that migrants who come from cultures where women are treated as second-rate citizens should not be held to the same high standards as Swedish men... I suppose that is a bigotry of low expectation on her part. She`s not doing anything to help the situation, in fact she`s enabling the rapists.

Some do come from a culture that does not understand rape is a bad thing... so by this U.K. judge`s lites I suppose his level of guilt was less because he didn`t know better.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/convicted-somalian-rapist-attacked-two-084627605.html

His lawyer argued that Ibrahim did not know that his behaviour was “unacceptable” in Britain after witnessing numerous atrocities in his home country.

[betsy]

She actually said that migrants who come from cultures where women are treated as second-rate citizens should not be held to the same high standards as Swedish men... I suppose that is a bigotry of low expectation on her part. She`s not doing anything to help the situation, in fact she`s enabling the rapists.

Some do come from a culture that does not understand rape is a bad thing... so by this U.K. judge`s lites I suppose his level of guilt was less because he didn`t know better.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/convicted-somalian-rapist-attacked-two-084627605.html

His lawyer argued that Ibrahim did not know that his behaviour was “unacceptable” in Britain after witnessing numerous atrocities in his home country.

She's advocating having a double standard. Yes, she's enabling the rapists....and she's also inciting the ire of Swedish people. It really doesn't bode well for Europe.....it's like a ticking bomb.

Edited July 8, 2016 by betsy

[Guest]

Not worse for the victim, but a worse transgression because, by their superior culture, they should know better.

Yes, that's how I took it. (I don't see how the victim gives a toss) She's wrong though.

Edited July 9, 2016 by bcsapper

[Bonam]

Not worse for the victim, but a worse transgression because, by their superior culture, they should know better.

Same crime, same time. The background culture is irrelevant.

[kimmy]

Again, you are misunderstanding what she said. She didn't say rape by MUSLIMS is a lesser crime; she said MUSLIMS come from a lesser culture so we shouldn't be surprised. This is actually something you probably agree with.

Well, if this politician really believes that these people just don't know any better, the obvious follow-up question is why vast numbers of people who don't know that rape is wrong are being allowed into Sweden.

-k

[-1=e^ipi]

Well, if this politician really believes that these people just don't know any better, the obvious follow-up question is why vast numbers of people who don't know that rape is wrong are being allowed into Sweden.

Because it's 2016 and it makes Sweden more diverse.

A country where everyone knows rape is wrong is not as diverse as a country where only some people know rape is wrong, and the rest think it is fine.

[scribblet]

Not just politicians but apparently judges too as the law lets them walk free despite the judge saying they were animals. They did have something to cheer about.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680618/Smiling-cheering-walk-free-court-Immigrants-convicted-Cologne-New-Year-s-Eve-sex-assaults-avoid-jail-despite-judge-branding-animals.html

http://www.thelocal.se/20160708/teens-walk-free-in-swedish-ferry-rape-case

[betsy]

Not just politicians but apparently judges too as the law lets them walk free despite the judge saying they were animals. They did have something to cheer about.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680618/Smiling-cheering-walk-free-court-Immigrants-convicted-Cologne-New-Year-s-Eve-sex-assaults-avoid-jail-despite-judge-branding-animals.html

http://www.thelocal.se/20160708/teens-walk-free-in-swedish-ferry-rape-case

No wonder the far-right is getting strong. And there are now vigilantes.

Bulgarian vigilantes filmed tying up migrants

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36013852

German vigilante group vows to protect women from migrant attackers as 34 suspects are arrested - including three for gang-raping two teenagers

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3390042/The-fightback-begins-German-vigilante-group-vows-protect-women-migrant-attackers-three-Syrians-arrested-gang-raping-two-teenage-girls.html#ixzz4DvncvnlY

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The xenophobic Slovakian group has been one of a wave of such extremist organizations across Central and Eastern Europe that have seized on last year’s influx of migrants through Europe to advance their agenda and build popular support. In some cases, the vigilante groups have taken to patrolling borders, streets and other public places to defend against what they portray as a menacing incursion of asylum seekers, many of them Muslims from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and other poor, war-torn nations.

In Hungary, which saw nearly 400,000 asylum seekers pass through its borders last year en route to Germany and other more welcoming destinations, Istvan Matyas Vass, a retired artist and former parliamentarian has, since July, led a group called the Hunyadi Border-Guard Unit.

The group was named for John Hunyadi, a Hungarian military figure who won a decisive battle in Belgrade against the Ottomans in the 15th century.

In Bulgaria, Petar Nizamov said he was proud of creating an informal group called Civil Squads for the Protection of Women and Faith, which a few months ago began hunting for migrants along the country’s borders, pushing them back into neighboring Turkey.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/11/world/europe/vigilante-patrols-in-parts-of-europe-where-few-migrants-set-foot.html?_r=0

Edited July 9, 2016 by betsy

[Bonam]

No wonder the far-right is getting strong. And there are now vigilantes.

Indeed, idiocy like this will plunge Europe right back into far right nationalism. The progressives are bringing it upon themselves and the "minorities" they are trying to "protect". People will not long tolerate their rulers purposefully loosing rapists onto the population, treating migrants better than the citizens of their own countries, and repressing any criticism of such policies. Mainstream politicians have failed at following a reasonable path and instead have created this opportunity for the Trumps of the world.

[msj]

Odd, Catholic priests in particular have gotten away with rape for centuries without censure never mind revolution.

I guess it is different when it is MUSLIMS rather than CHRISTIANS.

[Bonam]

Odd, Catholic priests in particular have gotten away with rape for centuries without censure never mind revolution.

I guess it is different when it is MUSLIMS rather than CHRISTIANS.

Msj, I expect better from you than the irrelevant and relfexive "but Christians did it too" defense. For one, the Catholic Church has been put firmly in its place, enjoying almost none of the power, wealth, and prestige that it once did. Secondly, fewer and fewer Europeans are practicing Christians, and more and more regard the Church's dogmas as nothing more than fairy tales. Third, today no one would make excuses for a Christian raping someone on the basis of their Christianity, instead, most people, progressives especially, would demand the harshest possible punishment.

The issue here is not Christianity or Islam. The issue here is rape, and that politicians of certain stripes seem eager to excuse it when it comes from people of certain backgrounds.

[betsy]

Indeed, idiocy like this will plunge Europe right back into far right nationalism. The progressives are bringing it upon themselves and the "minorities" they are trying to "protect". People will not long tolerate their rulers purposefully loosing rapists onto the population, treating migrants better than the citizens of their own countries, and repressing any criticism of such policies. Mainstream politicians have failed at following a reasonable path and instead have created this opportunity for the Trumps of the world.

The pendulum swings from one extreme end, to the other extreme end.

Edited July 9, 2016 by betsy

[msj]

1) Catholics are still getting away with child rape so no they have not been dealt with heavy handed. What a joke.

2) When we see priests thrown in jail for the rest of their lives like they deserve then I will believe it is being taken seriously.

3) Right it doesn't have anything to do with Muslims vs Christians: yet you for some reason think the people will not tolerate Muslim migrants raping all the while the priests have been dong it and still do it under our noses with little sanction.

Ok, fine, one in Ireland may be getting two years for rape using a crucifix. Probably getting time for the inherent blasphemy for using a crucifix than the rape itself I bet.

But as soon as the migrants do it then it's time to react and get all revolutionary? The people now won't tolerate it?

Of course not, because it's the outsiders doing it.

4) Well good for the people for finally waking up.

Now if we can all agree that religion sucks and secularism rules then maybe we will get better public policy that will put all rapists in jail no matter their religion or origin or skin colour etc.

5) However I will note that in Canada one can kill their child on religious grounds and get a smack on the wrist. So, no, I don't buy this attitude of Christians getting the harshest punishment. It is BS pure and simple.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/07/08/prosecutors-appeal-light-sentences-given-to-canadian-parents-who-let-their-child-die-of-meningitis/

[Guest]

Odd, Catholic priests in particular have gotten away with rape for centuries without censure never mind revolution.

I guess it is different when it is MUSLIMS rather than CHRISTIANS.

It's no different. Rape is rape. There are no mitigating factors, be they religious or cultural.

[betsy]

1) Catholics are still getting away with child rape so no they have not been dealt with heavy handed. What a joke.

2) When we see priests thrown in jail for the rest of their lives like they deserve then I will believe it is being taken seriously.

3) Right it doesn't have anything to do with Muslims vs Christians: yet you for some reason think the people will not tolerate Muslim migrants raping all the while the priests have been dong it and still do it under our noses with little sanction.

Ok, fine, one in Ireland may be getting two years for rape using a crucifix. Probably getting time for the inherent blasphemy for using a crucifix than the rape itself I bet.

But as soon as the migrants do it then it's time to react and get all revolutionary? The people now won't tolerate it?

Of course not, because it's the outsiders doing it.

4) Well good for the people for finally waking up.

Now if we can all agree that religion sucks and secularism rules then maybe we will get better public policy that will put all rapists in jail no matter their religion or origin or skin colour etc.

5) However I will note that in Canada one can kill their child on religious grounds and get a smack on the wrist. So, no, I don't buy this attitude of Christians getting the harshest punishment. It is BS pure and simple.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/07/08/prosecutors-appeal-light-sentences-given-to-canadian-parents-who-let-their-child-die-of-meningitis/

This is about Muslim migrant rapists in Europe, and how the government officials react to their atrocities!

Refer to the OP!

Your rant about Catholics and other Christian child abuse is irrelevant on this thread!

It will derail the discussion on this thread.

Create your own thread if you want to discuss abuse by clergy!

Edited July 10, 2016 by betsy