police shootings in US and Obama's comments

[-1=e^ipi]

Because females do not commit as many crimes as males, and generally those they do commit are less violent.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002

"conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables."

[-1=e^ipi]

Bring it up then. Make a thread about it. Instead, you piggyback on other important issues

So bringing up the fact that men are more likely to be killed, go to prison, etc. in the context of black and white men being shot is apparently 'piggybacking on other important issues'? But bringing up the race aspect, even those the impact of race is smaller than the impact of sex somehow isn't.

That doesn't make sense.

[-1=e^ipi]

Once again, unarmed black people are at a far greater risk of being murdered by cops than white people. When you ignore the proportions, you do your arguments a disservice. I know you understand that context so I can only conclude that you're being intentionally misleading.

Unarmed men are at far greater risk of being murdered by cops than women. Black women are less likely to be murdered than white men.

[-1=e^ipi]

When black people commit the same crimes as white people they're treated much more harshly by the system.

Yes. On the other hand, the sentencing gap between men and women is 6 times larger than the racial gap.

But the male-female sentencing gap doesn't agree with the social justice narrative, so it gets ignored.

No. That's not what the evidence shows. It shows black people are held more accountable than white people. The laws are applied inconsistently across racial lines.

And applied even more inconsistently across sex lines.

Which do you think would help black men more, addressing the racial gap or the sex gap (which is 6 times larger)? It would be preferable to address both, but groups like BLM will not address the larger of the 2 problems.

[-1=e^ipi]

And maybe not an appropriate thread - off topic -

Start a new thread?

But it's not off topic.

The violence against black men has more to do with being men than being black.

[jacee]

weren't those 2 American citizens killed while doing what the NRA claims is a constitutional right? Louisiana is an open carry state... Minnesota allows concealed carry. Where's the NRA standing up for these 2... black... American's rights? Doesn't every American have a right to arm themselves without fear of being gunned down by the police! Were these not 2 "good guys" with guns?

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Apparently NRA members are asking that too.

the-nras-internal-revolt-over-philando-castile

This time, however, the NRA faces criticism from its members who argue that the group did not do enough to defend gun owners rights by speaking out on behalf of Castile.

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Your silence is causing NRA members such as myself to question/wonder what exactly you do and dont stand for, Facebook user Bruce Johnston wrote.

That sentiment was reflected across social media this week, with NRA members and non-members alike demanding that the group voice its support for Castile.

Edited July 10, 2016 by jacee

[jacee]

But it's not off topic.

The violence against black men has more to do with being men than being black.

If you're too lazy to start a new thread, it can't be too important to you.

[Argus]

It's always tragic when someone commits suicide.

But it's a different circumstance than this thread is about.

No, I think the incredible hypocrisy of the phony racism argument here is an important theme. Apparently Black lives and ONLY Black lives matter to some.

[eyeball]

What makes you think they don't ?

Self-restraint, pink Americans should take a cue.

[jacee]

No, I think the incredible hypocrisy of the phony racism argument here is an important theme. Apparently Black lives and ONLY Black lives matter to some.

Cops should not be killing innocent people.

People should not be killing innocent cops.

Some lives are more threatened than others.

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[eyeball]

Apparently NRA members are asking that too.

the-nras-internal-revolt-over-philando-castile

From your source.

The Dallas NRA statement did not mention the officers killed in the line of duty, emphasizing instead the right of law-abiding Americans to carry firearms for defense of themselves and others.

This raises the question, should armed citizens take action to defend others who may be falling prey to police who are out of bounds and control?

[bush_cheney2004]

Self-restraint, pink Americans should take a cue.

No, then they would be Canadians, regardless of "colour".

[Bryan]

By "people" ... you mean Black people?

Statistically, that seems to be the case more often than not in the US. Certainly there will be pockets where that's not necessarily the case. Also, in other countries it can be completely different.

By "crimes" do you mean Black men carrying legal weapons?

I mean whomever happens to be the highest risk offenders will be targeted the most.

[jacee]

From your source.

This raises the question, should armed citizens take action to defend others who may be falling prey to police who are out of bounds and control?

I think that's the idea of the 'right to bear arms' - so people can defend themselves in case the state goes rogue against the people.

In Canada, the police are bound by oath to uphold the constitutional rights of the people against incursions by the state, not protect the state against the people.

In theory anyway.

I like to remind them of that on occasion, and it always seems like news to them. They don't seem to understand their oath very well. The bosses and political leaders lead them to believe they work for the state.

Not so.

We elect politicians for governance, but they cannot direct the operations of the police.

In theory anyway.

Taking up arms against out of control police .,. well ... Not a pleasant thing to contemplate, if it comes to that.

[jacee]

Statistically, that seems to be the case more often than not in the US. Certainly there will be pockets where that's not necessarily the case. Also, in other countries it can be completely different.

I mean whomever happens to be the highest risk offenders will be targeted the most.

You mean by race ... because that's a visible feature.

What if Catholics are the most "high risk offenders"? Do we know?

Maybe they're the highest risk offenders regardless of race.

Do we know?

And how do you visibly distinguish them from non-Catholics so you know who to 'target'?

/sarcasm ?

dipsh!t

Edited July 10, 2016 by jacee

[jacee]

Ok, I made that comment facetiously ... What if Catholics are the most "high risk offenders"?

When I went to look for information about associations between religion and crime, I found an interesting factoid:

Baier-and-Wright-2001-Religion-and-Crime.pdf

Religion (in general) has a deterrent effect on crime among Black people, but having a religion did not deter crime among white people.

Hmmm ...

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Edited July 10, 2016 by jacee

[Topaz]

All this unrest could be a plan to bring in martial law and stop the election from happening if it looks like the people are turning away from Clinton. On a phone program, all the calls were saying they don't believe the director of the FBI and Clinton lied, so Obama and/or the elite could make a situation were the US is out of control with violence. Time will only tell.

[Wilber]

Well then the most heavily armed populace on the planet will finally get to use all those guns on an oppressive government, just like they claim they are for. Win win.

[Argus]

Some lives are more threatened than others.

Yeah criminals.

The number of non criminals killed by police is very, very small.

[Argus]

Well then the most heavily armed populace on the planet will finally get to use all those guns on an oppressive government, just like they claim they are for. Win win.

Mostly they use them on each other. The cops killed a couple of hundred Black people in the last year, almost all violent criminals. But over six thousand black people were murdered, mostly by other black people, during the same time period.

[?Impact]

A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

Yes, which goes to prove that white offenders are racist. Black offenders choose black victims 40.9%, white victims 38.6%, and others 20.4%. Racist white offenders choose white victims 82.4%, black victims 3.6%, and other 14.2%. This is about racist whites.

[Guest]

Yes, which goes to prove that white offenders are racist. Black offenders choose black victims 40.9%, white victims 38.6%, and others 20.4%. Racist white offenders choose white victims 82.4%, black victims 3.6%, and other 14.2%. This is about racist whites.

White offenders choose black victims only 3.6% of the time? That's so nice of them!

[Bryan]

You mean by race ... because that's a visible feature.

I mean by whatever marker happens to demonstrate where the resources are needed.

What if Catholics are the most "high risk offenders"?

It's quite possible that may have been the case in Northern Ireland at one point.

Edited July 10, 2016 by Bryan

[Argus]

Yes, which goes to prove that white offenders are racist. Black offenders choose black victims 40.9%, white victims 38.6%, and others 20.4%. Racist white offenders choose white victims 82.4%, black victims 3.6%, and other 14.2%. This is about racist whites.

They're even more racist in terms of raping Black women. Apparently White guys don't find Black women worthy of being raped! Black men are much more open minded about White women!

In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white.

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26368

Edited July 10, 2016 by Argus

[jacee]

I mean by whatever marker happens to demonstrate where the resources are needed.

So IF there's a high crime rate among Catholics, all Catholics should expect to be harassed, even killed by police, with few consequences ... because they have the "marker"?

How will the cops know which cars to pull over that are carrying Catholics?

It isn't as simple as targeting skin colour ... but is the Jesus/Mary on the dashboard or rosary hanging from the mirror the "marker" you would suggest in that case?

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Edited July 10, 2016 by jacee