police shootings in US and Obama's comments

BC_chick · July 13, 2016

I'll agree with this! WoW!

Yeah well, when it's pointed out that it's a huge leap in logic to get from a 'bad character' who smokes weed in front of children to attempted cop killer, I guess insulting your opponent is the way to go.

Well, no, not really. That's actually a pretty lame deflection, but I get the feeling you're going for a third strike with it.

Edited July 13, 2016 by BC_chick

Big Guy · July 13, 2016

There are well trained and experienced cops and there are poorly trained and inexperienced cops. Both are given guns and expected to act appropriately.

Do I believe that these cops acted with the agenda of killing someone black? No.

Do I believe that these cops acted appropriately. I do not know. Both victims had guns on their person.

Are these incidents being used by militant blacks to forward their agenda? I believe so. The crazy radicals use protesting passionate believers as camouflage to forward their unhealthy agenda.

There will be many more similar incidents to come.

Hal 9000 · July 13, 2016

Yeah well, when it's pointed out that it's a huge leap in logic to get from a 'bad character' who smokes weed in front of children to attempted cop killer, I guess insulting your opponent is the way to go.

Well, no, not really. That's actually a pretty lame deflection, but I get the feeling you're going for a third strike with it.

Of course its a huge leap in logic to go from 'bad character" who smokes weed to attempted cop killer, thats why that leap has not been made - by anyone - holy fack! However, it's not a leap to believe that someone who repeatedly smokes weed and drinks with their kid in the car will lie - is it. Never mind the fact that this woman, his mother and sister all immediately ran to "gofundme" to bilk people out of their money. And, it's not a huge leap to believe that this police officer asked to see this dudes ID and the guy reached for the gun...that happened to conveniently be in his lap.

What is a huge leap in logic is believing that the cop asked for ID and when the guy put his hand in his pocket got shot - even though their was a gun sitting right there - in plain view. Why would a cop ask for ID, when a gun is plainly in view? Either one of two things make sense; 1) The officer saw the gun and told the dude, not to reach for it or 2) the cop didn't see the gun, asked for ID then saw the guy reach for his gun.

If you have a gun in the car - being either black or white, permit or not, you'd better not have it in your lap or on your seat when a cop approaches. Put the gun under the seat or somewhere out of sight and put your hands on the wheel - explain the permit with your hands in view and let the officer do his job. If this dude was innocently reaching for something in his pocket with a gun in his lap, he has to be the dumbest mofo ever.

sharkman · July 14, 2016

There are well trained and experienced cops and there are poorly trained and inexperienced cops. Both are given guns and expected to act appropriately.

Do I believe that these cops acted with the agenda of killing someone black? No.

Do I believe that these cops acted appropriately. I do not know. Both victims had guns on their person.

Are these incidents being used by militant blacks to forward their agenda? I believe so. The crazy radicals use protesting passionate believers as camouflage to forward their unhealthy agenda.

There will be many more similar incidents to come.

There are not poorly trained cops. Those are the ones that fail out of the training programs and become border guards and weigh scale nazis. There are inexperienced cops, however.

eyeball · July 14, 2016

What Hal stated and I will reinstate for those of you trying to misrepresent what he stated is that none of you have the full story on what

happened.

Hal beaked off in the very same misrepresentative manner you're ascribing to people who've called him on it.

As usual a passive aggressive inane attempt at an insult from Eye and no contribution by him to the actual issues being disputed.

Discussed you mean. Contributed enough to make you go off on your usual 10000 word rant.

eyeball · July 14, 2016

Of course its a huge leap in logic to go from 'bad character" who smokes weed to attempted cop killer, thats why that leap has not been made - by anyone - holy fack!

No, what you appear to be leaping from is his "bad character" to "the dumb mofo" had it coming.

Edited July 14, 2016 by eyeball

Hal 9000 · July 14, 2016

No, what you appear to be leaping from is his "bad character" to "the dumb mofo" had it coming.

Sure, I would question his character and that of the woman too, however, I never said he had it coming - yet!

And, I don't know what exactly happened, I'm simply questioning the fact that others here (like BC chick) seem to be buying into the woman's story hook, line and sinker. I've merely suggested that from what we know, common sense scenarios would support the police officer.

eyeball · July 14, 2016

A lot of common sense down there is also saying so what if he had a gun, they're perfectly legal.

A lot of common sense has also been saying, for decades now, who cares about weed?

Common sense would suggest you don't indulge yourself.

Hal 9000 · July 14, 2016

A lot of common sense down there is also saying so what if he had a gun, they're perfectly legal.

A lot of common sense has also been saying, for decades now, who cares about weed?

Common sense would suggest you don't indulge yourself.

Fair enough, but it doesn't change, or even dispute anything I've said.

bush_cheney2004 · July 14, 2016

A lot of common sense down there is also saying so what if he had a gun, they're perfectly legal.

Both protocols have co-existed for decades. The "vast majority" of CC holders have managed to avoid getting shot by police. Officer Jeronimo Yanez attended a "Bulletproof Warrior" training seminar in 2014. Philandro Castile did not.

http://www.startribune.com/officer-in-castile-case-attended-bulletproof-warrior-training/386717431/

eyeball · July 14, 2016

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Edited July 14, 2016 by eyeball

eyeball · July 14, 2016

Fair enough, but it doesn't change, or even dispute anything I've said.

Most of which seems to speak a lot more loudly about your character than anything else.

Hal 9000 · July 14, 2016

Most of which seems to speak a lot more loudly about your character than anything else.

If you're gonna try insulting me, at least make some sense.

eyeball · July 14, 2016

What isn't there to understand? You leap to assumptions like a trigger happy cop.

eyeball · July 14, 2016

Both protocols have co-existed for decades. The "vast majority" of CC holders have managed to avoid getting shot by police. Officer Jeronimo Yanez attended a "Bulletproof Warrior" training seminar in 2014. Philandro Castile did not.

http://www.startribune.com/officer-in-castile-case-attended-bulletproof-warrior-training/386717431/

From your source...

William Czech was also in the Bulletproof Warrior class in the Ramada in Bloomington those two days in 2014. Czech isn’t a police officer. He’s a 47-year-old electrician from Mendota Heights with a keen interest in police training because of incidents involving a mentally ill family member.

Czech posed as a student to get into the class. He said he was horrified. He said he expected to see a presentation about understanding both how to avoid using deadly force as well as how to realize when it’s unavoidable. Czech said the course consistently emphasized the risk of hesitation.

Like I said, I agree with the sentiment that everyone's lives matter when it comes to out of control cops. It would be nice if we could do something about the ridiculously politicized imperative to crack down and get tough - an attitude that now appears to permeate virtually every single security and law enforcement institution and agency in the solar system.

bush_cheney2004 · July 14, 2016

...Like I said, I agree with the sentiment that everyone's lives matter when it comes to out of control cops. It would be nice if we could do something about the ridiculously politicized imperative to crack down and get tough - an attitude that now appears to permeate virtually every single security and law enforcement institution and agency in the solar system.

But it is not just security and law enforcement....it is private citizens too, hence concealed carry "must issue" permits. It is an arms race based on real and perceived threats that includes escalating nonlethal and lethal force. Yanez will have his day in court, but Castile will not be able to attend.

Maybe the perps and police wish for the "good 'ol days".

Hal 9000 · July 14, 2016

What isn't there to understand? You leap to assumptions like a trigger happy cop.

What assumptions have I jumped too? I think anybody, who blindly accepts that woman's story, or those talking about racist cops are clearly making assumptions - but not me? The only thing I've said for sure is that these people are weak of character, and that's not an assumption.

But, what do you think happened?

eyeball · July 14, 2016

But it is not just security and law enforcement....it is private citizens too, hence concealed carry "must issue" permits. It is an arms race based on real and perceived threats that includes escalating nonlethal and lethal force. Yanez will have his day in court, but Castile will not be able to attend.

Maybe the perps and police wish for the "good 'ol days".

I think everyone is wishing for them, whenever they were.

eyeball · July 14, 2016

What assumptions have I jumped too?

You're finished jumping?

But, what do you think happened?

The cop jumped because that's what cops have been trained to do.

H10 · July 23, 2016

How did I know the guy who cries anti-semitism left right and center is saying y'all get over people getting killed. First you claim no one knows what systemic racism means, then you turn around and claim that systemic racism means all whites are racist. What an ignorant foolish comment. Police are not a race, it is a voluntary employment status. Obama has bent over backwards to defend police, IMO, he went to far defending the police. He stated there was no excuse for killing law enforcement.

That simply is not true, the courts and police have found in many cases there are legal excuses for killing police officers, like the police sheriff who was shot dead while serving a no-knock warrant and was the shooter was not arrested or charged. And no, not everyone is racist, you are, stop projecting your racism onto us. America has a long enough history of racism against African Americans, that when there is a departure from how a white suspect is treated, a logical inference is the decision was racially based.

In Baton Rogue, it is an open carry state, anyone is allowed to have a gun, most people don't get shot dead for carrying a gun in your pocket in LA is like getting shot for carrying a golf club in a bag in Canada. You are incorrect that its a subjective reaction, it is a reaction based off a strong historical precedent of white "law enforcement" officers who usually are white nationalism, white supremacist or KKK members killing innocent african americans and a disparity in treatment. These so called poor trainings, panicked officers, fear of guns seem to mysteriously disappear when hundreds of armed white men take over federal government buildings in Western USA. Also your double standard and racism are showing, no one is saying lets stay calm and find out what happened when the Dallas police or BR police are getting shot and killed.

I don't know where you see this magical so called black militancy, but I do notice that the jews like yourself and many in media, like to play both sides and races off against each other. Why is it always some jew, whether it is on tv, or on this forum, trying to tell us about white-african american relations, you already said in a previous post, you are not white. This doesn't really concern you anyways. Whites and African Americans need to work through this issue, but not with non-white jews fanning the flames to incite both sides such as yourself. You don't see African Americans telling you jews how to solve your German-Jew problem or Jew-Arab problem

bush_cheney2004 · November 16, 2016

Update to this story: Police Officer Jeronimo Yanez has been charged with 2nd degree manslaughter and 2 counts of dangerous discharge of a firearm.

http://www.startribune.com/ramsey-county-attorney-choi-to-announce-update-in-castile-shooting/401484635/

Argus · July 18, 2017

So there was another outrageous police shooting in the US over the weekend, in Minneapolis. A 40 year old yoga instructor called 911 because she thought she saw a prowler. When the police arrived, she went out to the street in her pajamas to talk to the driver, and the cop in the passenger side shot her dead.

She was blonde and blue eyed, from Australia. The cop in question is Black. Naturally, riots have swept the white community..... not. The Minneapolis police department equipped all its police with bodycams a while ago, but apparently, neither officer turned theirs on. Apparently, police in Minneapolis almost never do turn their cameras on. The police have offered no explanation for the shooting whatsoever.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/17/15985442/minneapolis-police-shooting-justine-damond-video