PIK Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) APTN National News OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Hunter Tootoo is stepping down as minister of Fisheries and Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, and also leaving the Liberal caucus. “Mr. Tootoo will be taking time to seek treatment for addiction issues,” said Trudeau in a statement. In October, Tootoo defeated incumbent Conservative Leona Aglukkaq to become the Member of Parliament for Nunavut. http://aptn.ca/news/2016/05/31/hunter-tootoo-steps-down-as-minister-of-fisheries-and-oceans-leaves-liberal-caucus/ This to bad and I hope he gets cleaned up. We all know someone that has had troubles. BUT why did he get dumped and no support from the PM . When Liberal MP Seamus O'Regan had some issues with addiction,trudeau reaped praise on him and support for his friend and colleague, but with this minister the PM said nothing and he is gone even from caucus. What happened to cause this? Edited June 1, 2016 by Charles Anthony inserted quotes Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 What are you even on about? How do you know he's getting no support from the PM? How do you know it wasn't Tootoo's choice to leave caucus? You make a lot of silly assumptions. Quote
overthere Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 Good luck to him. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PIK Posted June 1, 2016 Author Report Posted June 1, 2016 Trudeau went out of his way to support Seamus, but nothing public for Tootoo. Just wondering. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 Trudeau went out of his way to support Seamus, but nothing public for Tootoo. Just wondering. Trudeau released a statement. Tootoo is asking for privacy. That's all there is to it. Quote
Argus Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 Now let me be the first to point something out. If this guy is resigning over his alcoholism now he was almost certaintly an alcoholic when he was appointed. Why did Trudeau appoint an alcoholic to the cabinet? Did he lie when he was questioned or was the background check inadequate. Or did they know he was an alcoholic? And don't give me any crap about my only criticizing this because I'm a conservative. I've criticized Harper for his appointments on many occasions. In fact, I think I once wrote that they needed to find out who was advising him on appointments and have them shot. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCanMan Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) Now let me be the first to point something out. If this guy is resigning over his alcoholism now he was almost certaintly an alcoholic when he was appointed. Why did Trudeau appoint an alcoholic to the cabinet? Did he lie when he was questioned or was the background check inadequate. Or did they know he was an alcoholic? And don't give me any crap about my only criticizing this because I'm a conservative. I've criticized Harper for his appointments on many occasions. In fact, I think I once wrote that they needed to find out who was advising him on appointments and have them shot. Trudeau did say that he wanted a Cabinet that represented Canada lol. I guess we need a few alcoholics and about 50% of them should smoke weed too. Edited June 1, 2016 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
dre Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 Now let me be the first to point something out. If this guy is resigning over his alcoholism now he was almost certaintly an alcoholic when he was appointed. Why did Trudeau appoint an alcoholic to the cabinet? Did he lie when he was questioned or was the background check inadequate. It would be illegal to ask questions about that unless they are specifically related to the job. You cannot ask a perspective employee if they drink... or if they're married, or when they were born. And you most certainly cannot ask them if they have been diagnosed with alcoholism unless there is a specific and direct connection with the job you are hiring them to do. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
capricorn Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 It would be illegal to ask questions about that unless they are specifically related to the job. You cannot ask a perspective employee if they drink... or if they're married, or when they were born. And you most certainly cannot ask them if they have been diagnosed with alcoholism unless there is a specific and direct connection with the job you are hiring them to do. As far as I know, dre, this would apply to prospective employees under public service employment legislation (such as the federal Public Service Employment Act). I would add prospective federal employees who have received a pardon for past criminal convictions don't have to divulge such convictions when they apply for a position. My question would be, would these conditions also apply to political appointees? Would scrutiny related to these matters form part of the vetting process? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Argus Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) It would be illegal to ask questions about that unless they are specifically related to the job. You cannot ask a perspective employee if they drink... or if they're married, or when they were born. And you most certainly cannot ask them if they have been diagnosed with alcoholism unless there is a specific and direct connection with the job you are hiring them to do. He is not an employee, he is an elected representative. And btw, we don't know it's alcohol. Now that I've seen Trudeau's brief statement its' "addiction". I think if it was alcohol they'd have said alcohol, so we can assume it's likely drugs of some kind. Trudeau also said he was resigning after a "difficult situation". What difficult situation? I think the voters have a right to know what their MP is addicted to before they vote for them again. Edited June 1, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 1, 2016 Report Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) Trudeau released a statement. Tootoo is asking for privacy. That's all there is to it. I was skimming the political panels tonight and their attitude is that there's something wrong with this, that the news clampdown has been too strong and the information is too scanty as compared to previous such cases. They also felt that people have a right to know what this guy is addicted to and what the 'difficult situation' was which prompted him to quit the Liberal caucus. Edited June 1, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Spiderfish Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 Trudeau released a statement. Tootoo is asking for privacy. That's all there is to it. I guess Tootoo didn't get the memo. Open and transparent is the new MO, the boss campaigned on it. Quote
TimG Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) what the 'difficult situation' was which prompted him to quit the Liberal caucus.My guess is a loyal Liberal was harmed by his excesses (e.g. physical or sexual assault). Seeking treatment and leaving caucus was the compromise in return for the loyal Liberal's silence. I would also assume the assault was minor enough that this was considered a viable option and more likely physical than sexual unless the Liberals are complete hypocrites. Edited June 2, 2016 by TimG Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 He is not an employee, he is an elected representative. And btw, we don't know it's alcohol. Now that I've seen Trudeau's brief statement its' "addiction". I think if it was alcohol they'd have said alcohol, so we can assume it's likely drugs of some kind. His family has a history with alcohol (see Jordan Tootoo) and he was a noted piss-tank when he was in territorial politics.....not too many drug addicts, outside of huffing gas, in Nunavut. Trudeau also said he was resigning after a "difficult situation". What difficult situation? The rumor I heard, suggested there was some unusual grab-ass and hanky-panky at the Liberal convention in Winnipeg......who knows, there is certainly something rotten in Denmark......how else can one explain the differing reactions by Trudeau to this and O'Regan earlier this year? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 My guess is loyal Liberal was harmed by his excesses (e.g. physical or sexual assault). Seeking treatment and leaving caucus was the compromise in return for the loyal Liberal's silence. I didn't hear anything to suggest anything violent, but more along the lines of marriages ending. Quote
TimG Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 I didn't hear anything to suggest anything violent, but more along the lines of marriages ending.I am saying there had to be a serious incident that triggered the resignation. Your guess is no better than mine. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 I am saying there had to be a serious incident that triggered the resignation. Your guess is no better than mine. My "guess" comes from a CPC observer at the convention........rumor? Sure, but then smoke=fire. Quote
cannuck Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) Trudeau did say that he wanted a Cabinet that represented Canada lol. I guess we need a few alcoholics and about 50% of them should smoke weed too. I think the last 7 months of government is adequate evidence that a significant portion of cabinet must be doing a lot of drugs. Edited June 2, 2016 by cannuck Quote
Topaz Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 I'm sure the media will find out the big secret but, it may be his drinking got out of control, IF its drinking, due to the pressure of being minister, and since he's gone, its none of our business. Quote
PIK Posted June 2, 2016 Author Report Posted June 2, 2016 It is our business. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 It is our business. why is your appetite not satisfied with the "addiction" reason? How would knowing the precise addiction make you any more satisfied... how would/why it be any more meaningful to you? . Quote
overthere Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 Good luck to him. Maybe some time in rehab, time with family, time away from Ottawa will be helpful, and he might be back in Cabinet at some point. At the risk of being culturally insensitive, Tootoo has lived and worked in the North for pretty much his whole life. All his former political career in Nunavut has been more or less nonpartisan, that is how they do things there. The culture shock of the brutally partisan Commons and Ottawa daily life might be a bit much, and he is far removed from the support of community. I wish him a speedy recovery. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PIK Posted June 3, 2016 Author Report Posted June 3, 2016 IMO It is more then the addiction. Trudeau being so upset, tells me a women was involved. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 I don't get where you see "Trudeau being so upset." He made a blunt announcement and stated that resigning from cabinet and caucus was Tootoo's choice and he also asked for his privacy right now. So why would Trudeau go around talking at length about the situation? He's respecting the guy's wishes. Quote
PIK Posted June 3, 2016 Author Report Posted June 3, 2016 I don't get where you see "Trudeau being so upset." He made a blunt announcement and stated that resigning from cabinet and caucus was Tootoo's choice and he also asked for his privacy right now. So why would Trudeau go around talking at length about the situation? He's respecting the guy's wishes. Like I said earlier, what he said about sean compared to hunter. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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