Transgender

[BC_chick]

They are only a crime today because they are considered abhorant but that does not mean it will always be so. Being gay used to be crime and based on your logic it should have never been 'normalized' because it was a 'crime'.

Still not getting it. The reason being gay is no longer a crime is because there is no victim. Same thing with being transgender.

Your slippery slope argument does not stick when you're comparing gays and transgenders to a crime involving perpetrators and victims.

[TimG]

Same thing with being transgender.

There are victims when children are told that they 'should consider a sex change when they are older'. But progressives have simply decided that such abuse does not count because sex changes are 'normal'.

When it comes to animals the definition of 'victim' get quite hazy considering we kill animals all of the time for food or convenience.

Edited May 20, 2016 by TimG

[BC_chick]

There are victims when children are told that they 'should consider a sex change when they are older'. But progressives have simply decided that such abuse does not count because sex changes are 'normal'.

When it comes to animals the definition of 'victim' get quite hazy considering we kill animals all of the time for food or convenience.

I don't want to veer into another discussion about the absurdity of not beating the animals you are about to kill.

As far as this discussion is concerned, there is another entity involved when abusing an animal whereas no such entity exists for transgenders. They do not harm others.

Even in your version of reality where they're coerced into thinking they're transgender, they are still the victim, not the perpetrator. That's the big difference you don't seem to get.

It does not rationally follow that protecting people who are victims (at worst) or victimless (at best) will lead to the protection of those who commit crimes and leave behind victims.

[TimG]

Even in your version of reality where they're coerced into thinking they're transgender, they are still the victim, not the perpetrator.

Ah but in the progressive view of the world filling kids with nonsense about how they are predestined to live a life confused about their gender is not abuse. In fact, some of these abusive pricks are actually trying to make it illegal for anyone to suggest to a kid that they should simply be happy with the body they have. It quite disgusting - as least as disgusting a bestiality but progressives insist on making it "normal".

My point is times change and just because you think something is beyond the pale today that does not mean that someone will not try to argue it is "normal" in the future.

Edited May 20, 2016 by TimG

[Hal 9000]

Still not getting it. The reason being gay is no longer a crime is because there is no victim. Same thing with being transgender.

Your slippery slope argument does not stick when you're comparing gays and transgenders to a crime involving perpetrators and victims.

What is your view on incest?

[eyeball]

Political correctness is starting to get ludicrous. Social conservatism is the polar opposite -- it is taking the most prudent path practicable.

Towards becoming quaint? No it is not, social conservatism is clearly kicking and screaming every painful inch of the way.

I agree about political correctness, but it's just getting ludicrous whereas social conservatism started getting ludicrous decades ago.

[eyeball]

Acknowledging basic biology isn't social conservatism. It's called science.

But the scientific fact that I'm an Earthling only seems to piss social conservatives off when I try to identify as one. There's apparently more than just science getting under their skin but what I don't know. Is it like the hang-up they have about sex?

[eyeball]

Also, can someone identify as a different race? If not why not?

They can if they want but it won't carry much legal weight because we've made a political decision to have our government distinguish us, amongst other things, according to race.

[BC_chick]

What is your view on incest?

It has the potential to create victims (inbreeding) so I understand why it's illegal.

Otherwise, there should be room for exemptions. It's not really my place to judge other people's choices if they are not hurting anybody.

ETA - on second thought for the sake of simplicity I think the only criminal element should be reproduction. As long as everyone is a consenting adult and no potential victims are involved (offspring) then it's really not anyone's business.

Edited May 21, 2016 by BC_chick

[Hal 9000]

It has the potential to create victims (inbreeding) so I understand why it's illegal.

Otherwise, there should be room for exemptions. It's not really my place to judge other people's choices if they are not hurting anybody.

ETA - on second thought for the sake of simplicity I think the only criminal element should be reproduction. As long as everyone is a consenting adult and no potential victims are involved (offspring) then it's really not anyone's business.

So, now "on second thought", you're ok with incest? Great!

Alright, now that incest is OK, what about pediphilia? I mean, if we are ok with letting pre-teen kids choose their sexuality, are we really in a position to tell them that they can't have sex before a certain age?

[Bryan]

Far more reasonable that fictionkin.

ALL of it is fictionkin. You are what your DNA says you are. The rest is just extreme cosplay.

[BC_chick]

So, now "on second thought", you're ok with incest? Great!

Alright, now that incest is OK, what about pediphilia? I mean, if we are ok with letting pre-teen kids choose their sexuality, are we really in a position to tell them that they can't have sex before a certain age?

You seem to have a difficult time grasping the concept of 'consenting adults' and 'victimless crimes'.

And I'm not 'ok with incest' as in hey everyone should have a little incest in life.

It's downright disgusting, but the only *criminal* aspect is reproduction because it creates a *victim*.

Edited May 22, 2016 by BC_chick

[-1=e^ipi]

It's downright disgusting

Who are you to say that incest is disgusting, while homosexuality or transgenderism isn't?

[BC_chick]

Who are you to say that incest is disgusting, while homosexuality or transgenderism isn't?

Homosexuality is not disgusting to me but it is to a lot of people. That's exactly my point. Disgusting to some is not reason for making something illegal.

The only thing that's should be illegal is acts that create victims.

IOW, not trangenderism.

[-1=e^ipi]

Out of curiosity, why do you find it disgusting but not homosexuality? Could you explain your reasoning?

[BC_chick]

What difference does it make? My point is that there is no slippery slope between gays/transgenders to something like pedophilia/bestiality because the former are victimless and the latter aren't.

Edited May 22, 2016 by BC_chick

[-1=e^ipi]

I'm just curious... Never understood why people have such a problem with it.

[Hal 9000]

You seem to have a difficult time grasping the concept of 'consenting adults' and 'victimless crimes'.

And I'm not 'ok with incest' as in hey everyone should have a little incest in life.

It's downright disgusting, but the only *criminal* aspect is reproduction because it creates a *victim*.

What about contraception, homosexuality, sterilization of incestual people? Would it still seem disgusting?

And, so what about birth defects anyway, the topic is way overblown and besides, are special needs people not people? Are they not worthy of love? So what if they have some small deficiency? Are you against people that have special needs children?

Face it, incestual people have every right to live as they want.

Do you agree?

[overthere]

So, in summary, incest is relative?

[BC_chick]

What about contraception, homosexuality, sterilization of incestual people? Would it still seem disgusting?

And, so what about birth defects anyway, the topic is way overblown and besides, are special needs people not people? Are they not worthy of love? So what if they have some small deficiency? Are you against people that have special needs children?

Face it, incestual people have every right to live as they want.

Do you agree?

I have never given the topic of incest this much thought, I have to admit. It would be interesting to start a thread about it and discuss the topic.

As far as this thread is concerned, I still stand by what I said: the slippery slope argument toward pedophilia and bestiality has no grounds in a discussion about victimless issue like transgenderism.

Edited May 24, 2016 by BC_chick

[Hal 9000]

I have never given the topic of incest this much thought, I have to admit. It would be interesting to start a thread about it and discuss the topic.

As far as this thread is concerned, I still stand by what I said: the slippery slope argument toward pedophilia and bestiality has no grounds in a discussion about victimless issue like transgenderism.

Just answer the question! Or, is this another one that you know any answer makes you wrong - again?

[BC_chick]

#StopThreadDrift

Edited May 24, 2016 by BC_chick

[TimG]

#StopThreadDrift

It is not thread drift. You repeatedly indicated that personal belief that transgender are wrong is not enough to justify discrimination in law. You have been asked why is this any different from incest which many find equally disgusting. I assume you are avoiding the question because it undermines your argument.

[BC_chick]

It is not thread drift. You repeatedly indicated that personal belief that transgender are wrong is not enough to justify discrimination in law. You have been asked why is this any different from incest which many find equally disgusting. I assume you are avoiding the question because it undermines your argument.

It's a thread drift because I already answered his question and it was consistent with everything I've said about victimless crimes.

Not shockingly, it seems to have gone over your head.

[TimG]

It's a thread drift because I already answered his question and it was consistent with everything I've said about victimless crimes.

Who is the victim when a brother and sister hook up? Edited May 24, 2016 by TimG