Transgender

[Scott Mayers]

Every other student does have the exact same right.

A 'right' of something specifically addressed that is not a universal property always assures another's 'right' is taken away. That is, when you specifically have a law that addresses some 'right' to transgenders, as opposed to a law most general, like ALL people, a law that allows a transgender to CHOOSE which bathroom they go to is biased because it discriminates against all others to simply choose for the same 'right'. You also discriminate against those preferring those NOT welcoming transgenders.

[Scott Mayers]

They go to protective custody.

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I'm not sure what this means. Is this no prison? or some separate prison/(or section of) FOR them uniquely? or a form of house arrest?

[-1=e^ipi]

the entire facility to himself.

Herself. You are using the incorrect pronoun.

It's just a flaccid penis.

Or Erect.

[bush_cheney2004]

Herself. You are using the incorrect pronoun.

Yes....this is how one of my client firms chose to solve the issue back in the late 90's. The transgender employee (my manager) was assigned his/her own restroom, as the women in the building were simply not having it.

[Hal 9000]

Herself. You are using the incorrect pronoun.

Or Erect.

I used "himself" because it's tricky, "they", although transgender, looked every bit of a man that I do, they professed to stay the same physically, not take any hormones or meds and stated that they enjoy sex with women.

[jacee]

I'm not sure what this means. Is this no prison? or some separate prison/(or section of) FOR them uniquely? or a form of house arrest?

Segregated, solitary.

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[Argus]

Yes, I'm one of those people. Screw 'civil-unions' and other gesture of partial-equality. They are nothing but a cop out. Equality is not conditional.

You can't make people equal when they manifestly are not. If 'transgendered' people want to go into the opposite sex's change rooms let them go under the knife first.

[Argus]

This is the most annoying thing about this issue. People seem to think that rules based on physical biology are somehow inherently unfair. They aren't.

You can see this a lot on the internet where there are a lot of videos featuring policewomen not being able to do their jobs because they lack the upper body strength. Rules were relaxed so as to be 'fair' but whenever there's a physical confrontation most of these women are severely under-equipped to deal with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58irBsZVcrg

Edited May 29, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

Maybe Argus did bathe with his brother when they were teenagers.... why else would he be so specific about siblings of the opposite sex?

You seem to have a weird obsession about children taking baths together. Would you like to expand on that?

[Argus]

Setting up and giving transgendered their own separate bathroom/showers is in no way discriminatory.

It would be an enormous waste of money for a miniscule percentage of the population, most of whom would probably not use them anyway.

[jacee]

You can't make people equal when they manifestly are not. If 'transgendered' people want to go into the opposite sex's change rooms let them go under the knife first.

That's not what the law says.

You lose.

[cybercoma]

Really? How is nonsensical? It's a simple question, one that requires a simple answer.

It's so simple, in fact, that it has been answered numerous times and posters presented you several resources where you could find the answer. The fact is it's not an honest question, otherwise you wouldn't need me to spoon feed it to you. You would have read what posters already presented or you would have used the resources to find the answer. If you have an argument to make that hasn't already been turned into swiss cheese, then just make it.

[cybercoma]

I suggest you think about that. The fact is there are a finite number of jobs and if someone is given a job because they meet some arbitrary diversity criteria then an equally or more qualified person is denied that job because they failed to fulfill the diversity criteria

Arbitrary? They're not arbitrary at all.

[cybercoma]

there are guys claiming to be women and wanting to shower with them

You've yet to substantiate this BS. As far as I can tell, it's some wild rape fantasy you have that doesn't exist in reality.

[cybercoma]

You don't think those girls would be slightly uncomfortable getting undressed before and after every practice and game around a 'girl' with a penis?

Do you think they inspect each others genitals in the changing rooms?

[cybercoma]

Setting up and giving transgendered their own separate bathroom/showers is in no way discriminatory.

Apartheid wasn't discrimination either, eh? They had their own separate but equal systems. Hell, Jim Crow laws weren't discriminatory either. It just codified your separate but equal mind set.

[cybercoma]

Where were these people when lesbians got access to women's washrooms? Aren't they afraid of bull dykes attacking helpless little girls while they're shitting?

[TimG]

Apartheid wasn't discrimination either, eh? They had their own separate but equal systems. Hell, Jim Crow laws weren't discriminatory either. It just codified your separate but equal mind set.

So you would be happy with a system where anyone could declare themselves to be black, native or female no matter what their biology? This will make diversity efforts in many companies a lot easier.

Perhaps you might want to think about your attempt to conflate race with 'self-identified' gender.

Edited May 29, 2016 by TimG

[cybercoma]

So you would be happy with a system where anyone could declare themselves to be black, native or female no matter what their biology? This will make diversity efforts in many companies a lot easier.

So you'd be happy with a system where we're gassing the Jews?

Your question is stupid. Try again.

[TimG]

Your question is stupid. Try again.

You are the one you tried to compare self-identified transgender to race. Your comparison is stupid for the reasons I stated.

Basically, one can feel 'that one's sex does not match one's body' and that feeling likely has a biological basis (since all mental health issues have a biological basis). But the choice to deny one's physical biology and pretend to be something your are not is a choice. And that makes it different from questions of race or biological gender.

[cybercoma]

I guess if people don't want to be discriminated against for being gay, they should just choose to have sex with people of a gender that they're not attracted to as well, right Tim?

I mean that's what you're arguing here, right?

When did you choose to identify as male? Because apparently you throw around "self-identified" like it's just some sort of whim.

Edited May 29, 2016 by cybercoma

[cybercoma]

But then, why would I expect any better from the social regressive who calls transgender people "mental defectives" and shows nothing but contempt for them and their rights as people.

[TimG]

I guess if people don't want to be discriminated against for being gay, they should just choose to have sex with people of a gender that they're not attracted to as well, right Tim?

If a gay person insisted on having sex with unwilling people they the comparison would be appropriate. With transgender what they want is to force others to accept their delusion. This goes way beyond 'live and let live' and that is why this can't be compared to past issues.

But then, why would I expect any better from the social regressive who calls transgender people "mental defectives" and shows nothing but contempt for them and their rights as people.

Ah yes. Name calling and propaganda. First, "mental defectives" are your words not mine. I said mentally ill. Second, anyone who thinks they need to mutilate their body to feel better about themselves is mentally ill and no amount of pathetic progressive propaganda can change that fact.

Frankly, the fact that progressives think they can simply deny reality on this point illustrates how unhinged the entire movement has gotten. I guess it is just a matter of time before progressives argue that telling paranoid schizophrenics that their delusions are not real is hurtful and putting them on medication is wrong.

Edited May 29, 2016 by TimG

[BC_chick]

You can't make people equal when they manifestly are not. If 'transgendered' people want to go into the opposite sex's change rooms let them go under the knife first.

Seriously, you want to make genital surgery the prerequisite? So you think someone like Buck Angel belongs in the ladies washroom?

[BC_chick]

Where were these people when lesbians got access to women's washrooms? Aren't they afraid of bull dykes attacking helpless little girls while they're shitting?

I've been thinking exactly the same thing! Grrr, the ignorance is astounding.