Ontario announces plan to destroy its economy

[andromeda]

Speaking of Ontario's economy, it seems that the Liberal government is determined to hide the basis for its budget and economic forecasts - from its own budget watchdog. All Ontario ministries have told the Ontario budget watchdog that all such information on projections are now a state secret.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-budget-watchdog-says-liberals-blocking-his-access-to-info/article30217755/

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/kelly-mcparland-in-wynnes-ontario-watchdogs-are-for-muzzling

not filling out the census could send you to jail. maybe wynn and other key members of her government should be sent to jail for refusing to provide information to government appointed watchdogs. where is the openness and transparency in all of this?

[PIK]

Now to upgrade Darlington, our hydro bills will increase,$1.05 a month for 5 yrs. It never ends.

[Argus]

not filling out the census could send you to jail. maybe wynn and other key members of her government should be sent to jail for refusing to provide information to government appointed watchdogs. where is the openness and transparency in all of this?

Unfortunately, the OPP are in the Liberals' back pockets. They even take out ads supporting the Liberals during election time in exchange for the Liberals ensuring they continue to get big, fat raises.

[overthere]

Unfortunately, the OPP are in the Liberals' back pockets. They even take out ads supporting the Liberals during election time in exchange for the Liberals ensuring they continue to get big, fat raises.

Yep, we have instituted a perfect system of public fiscal 'management' that can only end in tears and municipal/provincial bankruptcy. How can Ontario sustain its debt and deificts?

[Boges]

A poll was released today having Patrick Brown in Majority territory.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/06/02/the-forum-research-survey-finds-the-patrick-brown-led-pcs-would-win-a-slim-majority

Cast across Ontario’s 107 ridings, that would translate to a projected 57 seats for the PCs — a slim majority.

The Liberals would win 26 seats and the NDP, 24 seats.

The Forum survey puts the Tories on top in every region of the province, with a razor-thin edge on the Liberals in their Toronto-area stronghold.

Perhaps not surprisingly in Southwestern Ontario, where the Tories hold the most seats, the Liberals and Premier Kathleen Wynne fare worst in the poll among the three parties and their leaders.

The Liberals have been in power since 2003.

“Most governments after the second term are on thin ice. By that time they’ve made enemies, (voters) are bored of them or tired of them,” said pollster Lorne Bozinoff, president of Forum Research Inc.

“The Liberals are in this mid-term slump and it’s an open question about whether they can snap out of it.”

So how are they going to bribe us with our own money to try to get out of this rut.

[andromeda]

what's amazing about the poll is that 30% of Ontario voters would still cast their ballots for a continuance of incompetence and corruption. brown is sitting in the driver's seat and I wouldn't count on him doing anything stupid. his numbers can only keep going up as the liberals self destruct.

[Boges]

what's amazing about the poll is that 30% of Ontario voters would still cast their ballots for a continuance of incompetence and corruption. brown is sitting in the driver's seat and I wouldn't count on him doing anything stupid. his numbers can only keep going up as the liberals self destruct.

Almost all Public servants I imagine.

[Bob Macadoo]

Now to upgrade Darlington, our hydro bills will increase,$1.05 a month for 5 yrs. It never ends.

What is wrong with this? If you're only paying for the gas to run your car, you eventually have to come up with the money to get a brake job.

[Argus]

Ontario's Auditor General is saddened by Liberals' biased political advertising, says it would have been banned had the Wynne government not removed her power to oversee advertising last year.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/ontario-government-ad-promoting-climate-change-plan-would-have-been-banned-under-old-rules-ag

[taxme]

It's an ambitious plan, but the Liberals have been working steadily at making Ontario into a vast welfare state on the edge of bankruptcy for twelve years now, and they're running out of time before the mouth breathers in Toronto finally decide enough is enough. Now they're going to spend billions of dollars over the next four years to wean Ontario off cheap natural gas and onto expensive electricity.

While natural gas prices have been plunging the cost of electricity in Ontario has been skyrocketing, and will soon be the most expensive in this hemisphere. Now Ontario will require all new homes be built be heated without using carbon fuels, ie, gas or oil. Given what they've done to electricity prices that will pretty much end the purchase of new homes, which means end the construction of new homes. They will expand this requirement to all new buildings as soon as they see how well the first stage is working at destroying the construction industry.

They will also scatter billions of tax dollars, which actually means borrowed dollars to the four winds, literally in some cases, to encourage a wide variety of programs which will, given our familiarity with the Liberal government, be inefficient, ineffective, and serve mainly to enrich companies which donate money to the Liberal party.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-to-spend-7-billion-in-sweeping-climate-change-plan/article30029081/

Nothing will change because the people on welfare and the public servants like the way things are. They get easy money from the liberal government who is always ready to hand out more to those who don't deserve it. Hey, it's all about getting reelected again.

[Topaz]

As voters around the world, we do the same thing, vote a party in then find out its like the Liberals in Ontario and we want them gone, so we vote in the other party only to find their actions are going to hurt a certain voters too. WE, as voters and tax payers can't win, we just go around in circles.

[Boges]

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/06/07/revealed-ontarios-climate-change-action-plan.html

Existing rebates of up to $14,000 per vehicle will be expanded, with up to $1,000 available to install a home-charging station.
Wynne’s government is negotiating with Ottawa to eliminate the 13 per cent harmonized sales tax for electric cars by 2018.
As well, a four-year “free overnight electric vehicle-charging program” in houses and condos will begin next year.
“The goal would be to lower overall electricity bills for homes that charge vehicles,” the plan states.
A new “cash-for-clunkers” program will be launched to replace jalopies with new or used electric cars.
“The province intends to help get older and less fuel-efficient vehicles off the roads by offering a rebate to low- and moderate-income households that will help them replace old cars with new or used electric vehicles or a plug-in hybrid,” it continues.
Details of the rebates and subsidies are still being worked out and should come later this year.
With 284,000 cars sold in Ontario last year, the Liberals note that sales of 14,000 Nissan Leafs, Chevrolet Volts, Audi A3 e-Trons, and Teslas would help achieve their target of 5 per cent electric vehicles.
There are fewer than 6,000 electric cars in the province now.
As a sop to the auto industry, “Ontario opted not to proceed with a ZEV (zero-emissions vehicle) mandate — an approach developed in the United States that imposes penalties on automakers that do not sell enough electric vehicles.”
There will be a “Global Centre for Low Carbon Mobility” established to promote research and development of greener transportation.

It'll require a huge subsidy by the government to make these cars affordable. And even then they're only good for commuter vehicles and not people who are on the road all day. Why not make these subsidies available for Hybrids too?

Edited June 7, 2016 by Boges

[TimG]

Why not make these subsidies available for Hybrids too?

Because, like hydro and nuclear power, hybrids represent a practical solution to the problem which is unacceptable to unhinged fanatics like Wynne.

[Topaz]

Here's an open letter to the Libs on how to reduce hydro and help many consumers, thoughts? http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/ontarios-power-trip-dear-minister-heres-how-you-can-stop-power-price-hikes

[taxme]

As voters around the world, we do the same thing, vote a party in then find out its like the Liberals in Ontario and we want them gone, so we vote in the other party only to find their actions are going to hurt a certain voters too. WE, as voters and tax payers can't win, we just go around in circles.

And nothing will change until we get a political party and it's leader who will be there for the people, not the corporations and special interest groups. A political party where they believe that the majority shall rule, and not the minority. It is the minorities that have forced many unwanted programs and agendas on the majority who did not ask for them, and as a result has ruined and made life diificult for the rest of us, and the costs associated with it.

Switzerland has Citizen Initiated Referendums and the Right to Recall in their constitutions, and that is what we need in Canada to be able to stop these corporations and special interest minority groups from dictating to us as to how we are going to live our lives. Works for me.

[?Impact]

Here's an open letter to the Libs on how to reduce hydro and help many consumers, thoughts?

Parker Gallant is out of his rocker. He wants to stop all investment, and subsidize power from some magical money tree. I think the Liberals did a terrible job with power, but Parker Gallant offers zero. His solution will cause either rates or taxes to skyrocket a thousand fold in a few years.

[PIK]

What is wrong with this? If you're only paying for the gas to run your car, you eventually have to come up with the money to get a brake job.

What is wrong??? You must be a public servant who votes liberal. What is wrong is people can not afford any more increases in hydro. And now I read that their price in their cap and trade scam is $600/ton, compared to 20-30 everywhere else except Sweden and 140. This government is out of control and ideas and will do anything to cook/balance the books, thinking that is all they need to win again.

[waldo]

And now I read that their price in their cap and trade scam is $600/ton, compared to 20-30 everywhere else except Sweden and 140.

huh! source/cite request:

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[?Impact]

And now I read that their price in their cap and trade scam is $600/ton, compared to 20-30 everywhere else except Sweden and 140.

From what I read, the initial price in 2017 (first year it is introduced) will be $13.72 per metric ton and then raise 5% plus inflation for each year thereafter. So yes, in about 50-60 years it will be about $600/ton. Of course you could buy your credits on the open market as well. I have argued against cap & trade for years, we should have gone with a sovereign managed carbon tax but it seems that the federal Conservatives argued against that in 2008 to hide their lies in the fall election.

[Boges]

From what I read, the initial price in 2017 (first year it is introduced) will be $13.72 per metric ton and then raise 5% plus inflation for each year thereafter. So yes, in about 50-60 years it will be about $600/ton. Of course you could buy your credits on the open market as well. I have argued against cap & trade for years, we should have gone with a sovereign managed carbon tax but it seems that the federal Conservatives argued against that in 2008 to hide their lies in the fall election.

I think the electorate argued against that by handing the Liberals a resounding defeat that year. Why didn't JT revisit it?

[PIK]

Did I hear she wants to ban wood stoves. Or since this weeks scandal is about the pan am games she needed a new stupid policy to get the media off her trail.

[waldo]

Did I hear she wants to ban wood stoves. Or since this weeks scandal is about the pan am games she needed a new stupid policy to get the media off her trail.

did you hear... or not? You were asked a few short posts back to support your "$600/ton" reference and you've now moved off that, to this! It appears to me many of your posts tend to lack specificity and cited reference... like this one - hard to discuss further without accuracy/context.

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[Argus]

From what I read, the initial price in 2017 (first year it is introduced) will be $13.72 per metric ton and then raise 5% plus inflation for each year thereafter. So yes, in about 50-60 years it will be about $600/ton. Of course you could buy your credits on the open market as well. I have argued against cap & trade for years, we should have gone with a sovereign managed carbon tax but it seems that the federal Conservatives argued against that in 2008 to hide their lies in the fall election.

Wow. You have to be an absolute fanatic of a Liberal supporter to blame the federal tories for what Ontario's corrupt and incompetent Liberal regime is doing to its economy and energy infrastructure.

[Argus]

Even a guy who supports cap and trade decries the incompetence and stupidity of the corrupt Ontario Liberals in implementing a grossly expensive system which will have few benefits - except to their friends, of course. Nothing the Liberals do is done without considering how much money their friends will make - and how much of that money will be kicked back to the Liberal party.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/ontario-climate-plan-ignores-the-beauty-of-cap-and-trade/article30379467/

Note that the requirement to increase the use of ethanol still more will cost Ontario drivers but hugely benefit the Liberals' biggest campaign donor.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robyn-urback-for-a-great-return-on-your-investment-donate-to-the-ontario-liberal-party

Edited June 10, 2016 by Argus

[PIK]

Just read about the 600 and it was answered. Now I am wondering about the wood stoves or is this the ploy they use everytime bad news comes out.

Edited June 10, 2016 by PIK