America under President Trump

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Media skills and ruthless approach.  Not policies or a desire to serve.  The argument will forever now be,  "who was the second worst president of the US?". 

Presidents can't stop pandemics.  They can respond to them responsibly though.  Did he really have to be stopped from wearing a Superman shirt?

 

Again, you are blinded by the TDS hard-on, refusing to consider his presidency from 100,000 feet.  

Trump clearly stated his reasons for running and promised policies that appealed to enough voters to get the job done.    Then he acted on the policies within the constraints/limits of American government.

Nobody is asking you to agree with those policies, but to dismiss him as not being impactful at the policy and legislative level is to confirm an emotional animus that is unwilling to consider anything else.

Edited October 16, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Ooh a deflection with a generic sandbox insult. Congrats on passing left-speak 101. 

Your post literally was garbage sapper. The fact that you didn't like a dose of the truth means nothing to anyone. Grow up. 

You're the one who implied I needed you to think for me and my post was stupid.  I don't think you warranted any more thought in the response than what you got.

As for truth, you are a Trump supporter.  What the hell do you know about truth?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

The argument will forever now be,  "who was the second worst president of the US?". 

It already is.

Obama inherited a relatively normal middle east and turned and turned it into a dumpster fire of epic proportions, complete with a large country devoted to genocide and the enslavement of religious minorities.

He took the US from being a peaceful country to a racially divided shithole with widespread rioting, looting and arson. 

No POTUS has ever done the US or the ME more harm than Barack Obama.  

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

You're the one who implied I needed you to think for me and my post was stupid. 

I didn't imply anything. I just said it because it was true, and I gave reasons why it was true.

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I don't think you warranted any more thought in the response than what you got.

You were butthurt. Not my fault. Think before you post next time.

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As for truth, you are a Trump supporter.  What the hell do you know about truth?

There are hundreds of specific topics re: Trump that you chime in on for a beatdown if you want one sapper. I'm not responding to your childish, generic insults. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It already is.

Obama inherited a relatively normal middle east and turned and turned it into a dumpster fire of epic proportions, complete with a large country devoted to genocide and the enslavement of religious minorities.

He took the US from being a peaceful country to a racially divided shithole with widespread rioting, looting and arson. 

No POTUS has ever done the US or the ME more harm than Barack Obama.  

Yeah, I was never a big fan.  I would never think of Obama as anything more than a middling but fairly affable politician.  His line in the sand was maybe the biggest mistake a president has made since Nixon bought a tape recorder.

He won't even be in the same ballpark as Trump when the worst ever is being decided.  But that's not his fault.  None of the others will be either.

[WestCanMan]

I gotta go, I'll be back in a few hours.

That should be plenty of time for Argus, dialamah and Michael Hardner to (try to) come up with an example of a time that CNN covered a story with accuracy & integrity, or when Biden said something intelligent. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I didn't imply anything. I just said it because it was true, and I gave reasons why it was true.

You were butthurt. Not my fault. Think before you post next time.

There are hundreds of specific topics re: Trump that you chime in on for a beatdown if you want one sapper. I'm not responding to your childish, generic insults. 

You were butthurt because I made a comment deriding your golden boy.  So much so that you didn't even read it properly.  You certainly didn't respond to what I said.  You actually said nothing that was true.  (That's understandable.  One can't follow Trump so slavishly and not lose sight of what is true and what is not)

 

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, I was never a big fan.  I would never think of Obama as anything more than a middling but fairly affable politician.  His line in the sand was maybe the biggest mistake a president has made since Nixon bought a tape recorder.

 

Again, your quip lacks the longer view of American presidents...it wasn't Nixon who first "bought" the Oval Office tape recording equipment.   It goes further back to FDR, who also hated the press/media because of his New Deal "dictatorship".

https://www.npr.org/2017/05/13/528222995/the-shadowy-history-of-secret-white-house-tapes

Try to see Donald Trump in the context of all previous presidents, or choose to ignore all that.

[Guest]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Again, your quip lacks the longer view of American presidents...it wasn't Nixon who first "bought" the Oval Office tape recording equipment.   It goes further back to FDR, who also hated the press/media because of his New Deal "dictatorship".

https://www.npr.org/2017/05/13/528222995/the-shadowy-history-of-secret-white-house-tapes

Try to see Donald Trump in the context of all previous presidents, or choose to ignore all that.

Well yes, it's a quip.  It's like the first post of mine you you responded to today.  Intended to make a point that is to be taken seriously, but not intended to be taken at face value itself. 

West Can Man did the same to my scorecard "quip".  Except he misread it.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, I was never a big fan.  I would never think of Obama as anything more than a middling but fairly affable politician.  His line in the sand was maybe the biggest mistake a president has made since Nixon bought a tape recorder.

He won't even be in the same ballpark as Trump when the worst ever is being decided.  But that's not his fault.  None of the others will be either.

This is yet another of your valueless posts sapper. You want to throw insults at Trump but you have nothing worth mentioning. 

I named two massive Obama failures and you just have another generic insult to throw down. 

You don't really know how this works, do you? 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

You were butthurt because I made a comment deriding your golden boy.  So much so that you didn't even read it properly.  You certainly didn't respond to what I said.  You actually said nothing that was true.  (That's understandable.  One can't follow Trump so slavishly and not lose sight of what is true and what is not)

There you again with childish/generic insults and not even a hint of merit.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Well yes, it's a quip.  It's like the first post of mine you you responded to today.  Intended to make a point that is to be taken seriously, but not intended to be taken at face value itself.

 

OK...so for you this is just a short view gotcha game and Trump is the object of your contempt, regardless of American presidential policies and history.   You will invoke "Nixon" (or Bush #43) to score points for your side, regardless of the total context.

Got it....

 

[Guest]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

There you again with childish/generic insults and not even a hint of merit.

There's no insult there.  You didn't read it.  You didn't respond to what I said.  You got your knickers in a twist because you thought I'd said something about how much golf Trump played, and since then your entire argument has been about how hurt I am and how insulting I've been.  When your first post in response showed a lot of hurt (so much so you responded to something I didn't say), and was full of insults.

Someone has to grow up, that's for sure.

[Guest]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

OK...so for you this is just a short view gotcha game and Trump is the object of your contempt, regardless of American presidential policies and history.   You will invoke "Nixon" (or Bush #43) to score points for your side, regardless of the total context.

Got it....

 

No, It's not a gotcha game.  I don't have a side.  I just have an opinion of Trump that is not derived from anything I search for.  It comes about from regular exposure to normal, relatively unbiased sources.  It was there long before he became POTUS. It has only been confirmed and massively reinforced since.  I had no idea he would be this bad.  I am also somewhat flabbergasted that there are those who cannot see that. 

It's like arguing about climate change or Islamic fundamentalism.  Anyone can say "oh, no it isn't!", and they frequently do. 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No, It's not a gotcha game.  I don't have a side.  I just have an opinion of Trump that is not derived from anything I search for.  It comes about from regular exposure to normal, relatively unbiased sources. 

 

This is not apparent....focusing on Trump's personal and vindictive nature more than his presidential office in the context of previous American presidents is clearly a short term, gotcha game.   The man has already served nearly one term in office despite many efforts to take him down, with major impact even now (SC justice appointment...his third).

So called unbiased sources should be able to make such distinctions as well, but many don't for fear of a backlash from the woke folk, as hating Trump is their social currency and reinforcement.

 

 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

This is not apparent....focusing on Trump's personal and vindictive nature more than his presidential office in the context of previous American presidents is clearly a short term, gotcha game.   The man has already served nearly one term in office despite many efforts to take him down, with major impact even now (SC justice appointment...his third).

So called unbiased sources should be able to make such distinctions as well, but many don't for fear of a backlash from the woke folk, as hating Trump is their social currency and reinforcement.

 

 

I have as much disdain for the woke as you do.  I don't believe contempt for Trump is related.  I do acknowledge there are times when it seems like an easy win for some outlets, but it's just as easily recognizable as such.

At least Trump's personal flaws are now no longer being denied.  I see a lot of "he may be a jerk but..."

I just don't see the "but". 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

I have as much disdain for the woke as you do.  I don't believe contempt for Trump is related.  I do acknowledge there are times when it seems like an easy win for some outlets, but it's just as easily recognizable as such.

 

I believe that contempt for Trump is definitely related, if only as the suppression of more balanced or supportive views because of backlash fears.    Trading in Trump hatred is social currency, which is ironically identical to the criticisms leveled at Trump "supporters".

 

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At least Trump's personal flaws are now no longer being denied.  I see a lot of "he may be a jerk but..."

I just don't see the "but". 

 

All presidents have personal (and professional) flaws.    Donald Trump is just another American president.

[Cannucklehead]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/7401242/donald-trump-ben-sasse-dictators/amp/

 

gop senator on trump.  

I bet he'll be ostracized and dismissed as "fake news" by the cultists.  

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I believe that contempt for Trump is definitely related, if only as the suppression of more balanced or supportive views because of backlash fears.    Trading in Trump hatred is social currency, which is ironically identical to the criticisms leveled at Trump "supporters".

All presidents have personal (and professional) flaws.    Donald Trump is just another American president.

 

The high irony is that both sides feel that victory in the election will solve all their particular problems. 

Open-up a new can o' worms, I say.

Trump had better win by a landslide this time...or there'll be troooooble. Anything less and there will be endless contention. Biden merely has to eke-out anything remotely victorious to be crowned literally king by the media and the rest of the backing-establishment.

But I have a good feeling about this...there really is something Trump-ish sweeping your country. I'm seeing rally viewership going-up dramatically not to mention the spontaneous pro-Trump activities. People seem to love that ACB...especially women. 

Biden has NONE of that. Harris even less.

Nancy looks like she's coming apart...I'm sure you've seen the Wolf/Nancy thing.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

But I have a good feeling about this...there really is something Trump-ish sweeping your country. I'm seeing rally viewership going-up dramatically not to mention the spontaneous pro-Trump activities. People seem to love that ACB...especially women.

 

Could go either way...nothing like Reagan vs. Mondale in 1984.

There is a U.S. voter and media fatigue level that cannot keep pace with Trump's energy and antics, so they may want to get off at the next station.   Trump's impact relies on that energy...the volatility and action...like a day trader.    It follows that his supporters are also very high energy.

I am prepared for a post-election fight...remember Bush v. Gore ?

Edited October 16, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 I am prepared for a post-election fight...remember Gore V. Bush ?

 

Oh yes. But it seems somehow there is more at stake even though foreign wars & entanglements are down and most people's paychecks & pensions...Canadian pensions included...are doing well despite the Black Death stalking the land.

That Harris is the scary one. She'd look good in a uniform...if you get my meaning. If the pundits are right, any invocation of the 25th Amendment would have nothing to do with Mike Pence.

As an aside, I know you don't bother with notifications...

So accept this invitation to the History Club at the bottom of the page, if you wish.

Anyone else is free to join as well.

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

That Harris is the scary one.

 

Indeed...the probability of a President Harris is high.

That's why I am more focused on the U.S. Senate, which the GOP needs to keep above all else.

Trump already got one miracle in 2016...the Democrats and Lefties would go 1968 ape shyte if he wins another term.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

There's no insult there.  You didn't read it.  You didn't respond to what I said.  You got your knickers in a twist because you thought I'd said something about how much golf Trump played, and since then your entire argument has been about how hurt I am and how insulting I've been.  When your first post in response showed a lot of hurt (so much so you responded to something I didn't say), and was full of insults.

Someone has to grow up, that's for sure.

I was responding to Argus's comment, he was trying to say that Trump doesn't work enough because he's too busy watching Fox and sending tweets. 

You chimed in with a comment like "lying on his scorecard isn't work, well maybe it is for Trump because of the math involved".

The case has been made here before that "Trump played more golf than Obama and that means that Trump is lazy." It's just part of the run-of-the-mill crap that leftists spew because they have no complaints against Trump's record as POTUS that carry any actual weight. 

Then you carry on with comments which boil down to "Trump is the worst POTUS ever and the proof of that is just the fact that I said it!"

If you look back over your posts, I'm sure you'll find that they're typical leftist platitudes - full of emotion & accusations while completely devoid of factual content. 

 

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

I was responding to Argus's comment, he was trying to say that Trump doesn't work enough because he's too busy watching Fox and sending tweets. 

You chimed in with a comment like "lying on his scorecard isn't work, well maybe it is for Trump because of the math involved".

The case has been made here before that "Trump played more golf than Obama and that means that Trump is lazy." It's just part of the run-of-the-mill crap that leftists spew because they have no complaints against Trump's record as POTUS that carry any actual weight. 

Then you carry on with comments which boil down to "Trump is the worst POTUS ever and the proof of that is just the fact that I said it!"

If you look back over your posts, I'm sure you'll find that they're typical leftist platitudes - full of emotion & accusations while completely devoid of factual content. 

 

Actually its because trump was highly critical of Obama golfing.  Something his cultists try to sweep under the rug in hopes people would forget.  

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/golf/2017/3/27/15073086/donald-trump-tweets-barack-obama-golf

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I believe that contempt for Trump is definitely related, if only as the suppression of more balanced or supportive views because of backlash fears.    Trading in Trump hatred is social currency, which is ironically identical to the criticisms leveled at Trump "supporters".

 

 

All presidents have personal (and professional) flaws.    Donald Trump is just another American president.

I agree Trump hatred does appear to be social currency. You can see it best among the Youth of America.

Australian Daisy Cousins even noticed it from the land down under. She archives incidents of Youths being attacked for their support of Trump or America.

You can see how Trump hatred enters the social structure with glaring clarity in the video she leads off with where 2 girls attack a young guy wearing a trump hat:

If that one isn't about those 2 girls exerting their presence in what they've been taught to see as the social hierarchy, what is it about?