America under President Trump

[Boges]

1 minute ago, BubberMiley said:

All any government can do is try to limit the infections. The death rate takes care of itself. NYC has done an admirable job of limiting new infections,  even though they seemed to have lost control a few months ago. Now Florida is worse but they aren't doing much to control the infection rate, other than reopening Disney World. This could get ugly. We can only hope the virus has mutated to become less lethal (which may fortunately be the case).

I think there are two tactics at play here. 

In the US, they're like Eff It. We'll just let the virus take its course. Perhaps rates will just naturally fall and things will get back to normal. 

But in places like Canada and Europe, people are starving the virus of people to infect. It may actually just disappear. 

The problem is that the border is closed and people aren't travelling. Once people start to visit other countries, the virus can get a foothold again. 

[Shady]

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

Gonna keep on with that? 

You've already conceded that people in these states, at large, aren't mitigating the spread of the disease. 

Minnesota, DC and New York all had notable protests. But no where near the spikes seen in Florida, Texas and Arizona. Did protests play a role. Sure. But so did going to bars and restaurants too early. 

That's why Many states are rolling back re-opening efforts. While places like Canada and Europe can now re-open with only a small fraction of the caseload. 

 

 

 

Now do Texas and California. 

Regardless, even you should be able to see the increase in Minnesota.

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[Boges]

Just now, Shady said:

Now do Texas and California. 

Or Florida. 

Or Arizona. 

You could contend that this is all about protests. But I would contend it's more likely that people thought COVID-19 was behind them, so they got back to enjoying their lives like there was no virus going around. 

It's funny that some posters were using numbers in Florida, Texas and California as evidence that Canada's figures aren't that much better than the US. Back then the US numbers were slanted because of the New York and New Jersey. Now, not so much. 

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Or Florida. 

Or Arizona. 

You could contend that this is all about protests. But I would contend it's more likely that people thought COVID-19 was behind them, so they got back to enjoying their lives like there was no virus going around. 

It's funny that some posters were using numbers in Florida, Texas and California as evidence that Canada's figures aren't that much better than the US. Back then the US numbers were slanted because of the New York and New Jersey. Now, not so much. 

Exactly.  Did you see the protests in Houston, Miami, etc?  Or was your head in the sand?

[Boges]

Just now, Shady said:

Exactly.  Did you see the protests in Houston, Miami, etc?  Or was your head in the sand?

Did you see them in New York and DC? Or Toronto. Or Europe! 

You think Miami, with a positivity rate approaching 30% is where it is only because they had BLM protests? 

 

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Did you see them in New York and DC? Or Toronto. Or Europe! 

You think Miami, with a positivity rate approaching 30% is where it is only because they had BLM protests? 

 

LA Mayor Garcetti admits ‘connection’ between coronavirus outbreak and protests

https://www.kabc.com/2020/07/05/icymi-garcetti-admits-that-protesters-contributed-to-covid-19-spread/

[Shady]

Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez blamed the county's recent flare-up in COVID-19 cases on the Black Lives Matter protesters who took to the streets in the weeks prior.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-dade-mayor-carlos-gimenez-black-lives-matter-protests-covid-19-spike-11663729

[Shady]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Did you see them in New York and DC? Or Toronto. Or Europe! 

You think Miami, with a positivity rate approaching 30% is where it is only because they had BLM protests? 

 

Houston Protesters Begin to Fall Ill With Coronavirus After Marching for George Floyd

https://www.newsweek.com/houston-protesters-begin-fall-ill-coronavirus-after-marching-george-floyd-1511066

You're a political hack.

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

Houston Protesters Begin to Fall Ill With Coronavirus After Marching for George Floyd

https://www.newsweek.com/houston-protesters-begin-fall-ill-coronavirus-after-marching-george-floyd-1511066

You're a political hack.

Ditto. 

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Why didn't Black Lives Matter protests spread COVID-19? Because everyone else stayed home, study suggests

https://nationalpost.com/news/why-didnt-black-lives-matter-protests-spread-covid-19-because-everyone-else-stayed-home-study-suggests

 

Texas' outbreak is endemic. To blame it on some protests is just an attempt to pass the blame on to others. 

And even if it was because of the protests. It's evidence that Social Distancing works, and people should be doing it and not going to large beach parties and indoor bars right now. 

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[Shady]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Ditto. 

Texas' outbreak is endemic. To blame it on some protests is just an attempt to pass the blame on to others. 

And even if it was because of the protests. It's evidence that Social Distancing works, and people should be doing it and not going to large beach parties and indoor bars right now. 

Keep ignoring the science.  Keep ignoring Houston as the epicenter.  Keep your head in the sand.  Texas was open since the beginning of May, but didn't see a spike in cases until lat June.  That's almost 8 weeks.  If opening was the cause, cases would've spike much sooner.  Stop your nonsense.

[Boges]

Just now, Shady said:

Keep ignoring the science.  Keep ignoring Houston as the epicenter.  Keep your head in the sand.  Texas was open since the beginning of May, but didn't see a spike in cases until lat June.  That's almost 8 weeks.  If opening was the cause, cases would've spike much sooner.  Stop your nonsense.

You haven't addressed other places that had protests and didn't see a spike. 

You ignore studies that say that protests didn't lead to spikes seen. 

AND, even if the protests were to blame, they haven't been an issue for more than a month. And the outbreak continues. 

[BubberMiley]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Keep ignoring the science.  Keep ignoring Houston as the epicenter.  Keep your head in the sand.  Texas was open since the beginning of May, but didn't see a spike in cases until lat June.  That's almost 8 weeks.  If opening was the cause, cases would've spike much sooner.  Stop your nonsense.

That is total nonsense. You're using your complete ignorance on the subject as a debate tactic. You will never have to concede a debate if you never learn what you're talking about.

[Boges]

• I cited a study, you completely ignored. Here's another article. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/no-covid-19-cases-connected-to-huge-vancouver-protests-against-anti-black-racism-1.5639883
• I've cited places that didn't see a spike, Several places actually. But had Protests. 
• I also noted that Social Distancing and Protests aren't mutually exclusive. 
• And then there's Arizona. Where were the huge protests in Phoenix? They weren't any bigger than in New York or DC. Arizona now has the fourth highest case per million in the US. 

It's people gathering indoors that spread the virus. That's why Ontario is choking out the virus, people aren't gathering indoors without Social Distancing or wearing a mask. 

 

Edited July 14, 2020 by Boges

[Shady]

7 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

That is total nonsense. You're using your complete ignorance on the subject as a debate tactic. You will never have to concede a debate if you never learn what you're talking about.

You should learn what the incubation period is for COVID.  It's not 6 to 8 weeks.

[Shady]

Just now, Boges said:

• I cited a study, you completely ignored. Here's another article. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/no-covid-19-cases-connected-to-huge-vancouver-protests-against-anti-black-racism-1.5639883
• I've cited places that didn't see a spike, Several places actually. 
• And then there's Arizona. Where were the huge protests in Phoenix? They weren't any bigger than in New York or DC. Arizona now has the fourth highest case per million in the US. 

It's people gathering indoors that spread the virus. That's why Ontario is choking out the virus, people aren't gathering indoors without Social Distancing or wearing a mask. 

 

You also need to learn the incubation period of COVID, it's not 6 to 8 weeks.  You can absolutely get the virus from protests, even outdoors, especially when you're shoulder to shoulder, sweating on each other, touching each other, etc.  Stop with your political nonsense.  There have been police officers that have caught covid while on duty during the protests.  You're a political hack.

[Boges]

13 minutes ago, Shady said:

You also need to learn the incubation period of COVID, it's not 6 to 8 weeks.  You can absolutely get the virus from protests, even outdoors, especially when you're shoulder to shoulder, sweating on each other, touching each other, etc.  Stop with your political nonsense.  There have been police officers that have caught covid while on duty during the protests.  You're a political hack.

It's also not four weeks. We're four weeks clear of the vast majority of the protests and we're still seeing a record infection rate in certain states. 

You still haven't addressed the communities that did have protests and have not seen spikes. 

Look at all those people in masks! 

Edited July 14, 2020 by Boges

[Shady]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's also not four weeks. We're four weeks clear of the vast majority of the protests and we're still seeing a record infection rate in certain states. 

You still haven't addressed the communities that did have protests and have not seen spikes. 

Look at all those people in masks! 

Masks don't prevent touching.

[Shady]

Here's a primer for you guys.

COVID-19: What you should know about touching in public places

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-what-you-should-know-about-touching-in-public-places-1.4869945

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

Masks don't prevent touching.

So people get COVID through the skin now? 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Here's a primer for you guys.

COVID-19: What you should know about touching in public places

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-what-you-should-know-about-touching-in-public-places-1.4869945

 Posting an article from March. Regardless, the article you cite notes touching surfaces. Like ATMs, Gas Pumps etc. 

Here's one from 3 days ago. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-surfaces-groceries-packages-playgrounds-1.5645602

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While those approaches to avoiding COVID-19 infection became commonplace early on in the pandemic, the virus may not transmit as easily on surfaces as was originally thought — and experts say it may be time to shift our focus on how we protect ourselves.

To date, there have been "no specific reports" of COVID-19 directly from contact with contaminated surfaces, even though research consistently shows the virus can survive on them for several hours or days, the World Health Organization said on Thursday.

The update was part of a new scientific brief released by the UN agency outlining its stance on how COVID-19 spreads, after an open letter from more than 200 experts to change its messaging on the possibility it transmits through the air.

 

 

 

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

So people get COVID through the skin now? 

So you've now resorted to being obtuse?  Classic! 

All because orange man bad!

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

 Posting an article from March. Regardless, the article you cite notes touching surfaces. Like ATMs, Gas Pumps etc. 

Here's one from 3 days ago. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-surfaces-groceries-packages-playgrounds-1.5645602

 

 

People aren't surfaces.  But please keep making excuses for mass protests, where people are literally on top of each other.  Please keep arguing that that can't spread the virus.  It's very amusing! 

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

People aren't surfaces.  But please keep making excuses for mass protests, where people are literally on top of each other.  Please keep arguing that that can't spread the virus.  It's very amusing! 

You're the one who cited an article references surfaces. It not my fault you don't read what you reference. 

We're several posts in and you still haven't addressed the several communities that saw BLM protests and didn't see a notable spike. 

Look, I'm not denying protests don't play a factory in the spread. But you're basically saying the out-of-control outbreak we're seeing right now in the US is solely due to BLM protest. And early re-opening played no factor. 

That's ridiculous! 

Edited July 14, 2020 by Boges

[BubberMiley]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

People aren't surfaces.  But please keep making excuses for mass protests, where people are literally on top of each other.  Please keep arguing that that can't spread the virus.  It's very amusing! 

Not as funny as someone desperately trying to convey to rational people that the protests were the primary cause for the spike without any evidence to back it up, other than his uninformed feels. 

Regardless , if it's so contagious, why would DeVos insist schools should reopen regardless? Seems pretty irresponsible. 

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Not as funny as someone desperately trying to convey to rational people that the protests were the primary cause for the spike without any evidence to back it up, other than his uninformed feels. 

Regardless , if it's so contagious, why would DeVos insist schools should reopen regardless? Seems pretty irresponsible. 

Yes, the spike in cases that coincides exactly with protests is just a coincidence!