America under President Trump

[taxme]

6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

....and Canadians like you worship American culture and politics while hating same.   Pathetic....

Many Canadians like Trump and America. It is the MSM in Canada, like the leftist liberal paid by taxpayer's tax dollars the CBC, who are always trying to demonize Trump. Instead of reporting on Canadian news, they are busy showing the fake and phony impeachment proceedings going on in America on the CBC. They spend hours and days on it. I cannot understand as to why the CBC would spend hours and days watching and viewing this silly ass impeachment game that is going on in America today. There are far worse leaders and dictators in other countries that the CBC should be watching and reporting on, and why not every day, like they do with Trump?

The news department of the CBC should be abolished. Harper should have done that job when he was the PM of Canada. He blew it big time. Typical of the liberal conservative party? They keep blowing it all the time. They should try being a real and true conservative party for a change. That might help out their chances in the next election. I kinda doubt that they will ever change at all. They are all really a bunch of liberals dressed up in conservative clothing. The CPC is a joke, and the liberals and the liberal Canadian media can make asses of them all the time. They will just never get it. When one tries to suck up to the liberal devil they will pay for it. Just saying. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

OK well address the Ukraine matter. Or I'll assume you got nuthin'. 

You got nuttin' on Trump either, and never will be able to nail Trump on anything re: Ukraine. Trump is too smart for those fools and idiots in the dumbocrat party. All they keep doing every day is to continue to make asses of themselves, and they truly appear to enjoy making asses of themselves every day. All they want to do is keep trying to get in the way of Trump in his efforts of trying to "make America great again". The dumbocrats prefer to want to make America fail. 

You are another one here who cannot explain to me as to why you hate Trump so much as you do? Has Trump done anything to you that has hurt your wallet, or your feelings? If so, show me? Come on, give it to me. Otherwise I think that you and other Trump haters here should stop attacking Trump if he has not hurt you in any personal way. We have a prime mistake in Canada that needs more reviewing and reporting on. Trump is not your President, is he? 

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

 

You are another one here who cannot explain to me as to why you hate Trump so much as you do? Has Trump done anything to you that has hurt your wallet, or your feelings? If so, show me? Come on, give it to me. Otherwise I think that you and other Trump haters here should stop attacking Trump if he has not hurt you in any personal way. We have a prime mistake in Canada that needs more reviewing and reporting on. Trump is not your President, is he? 

Trump is an awful person, a Bully and not a Conservative. It will be great to watch him fall from Grace. 

That being said, with this news that he made an unscheduled trip to the Hospital, perhaps the God that he pays lip service to to garner support from Christians who only want to make Abortion illegal may finally take him out. 

You're right, I'm Canadian, he doesn't effect my life all that much. Granted the Steel Tariffs were stupid and unproductive. 

But this Political theatre is great. And I enjoy debating people who really can't base the merits of the issue and just switch the goalposts. 

[taxme]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

So Jennifer Williams, another person that Trump went after on Twitter this weekend, has this first hand knowledge of the call. So does Lt Col Vindman. 

Republicans will have to discredit these witnesses instead of just disregarding their testimony has hearsay. It'll be very funny if Jim Jordan accuses a Lt Col, that was injured in service of the US, of being a Ukrainian spy. That'll be awesome!

It seems anyone who doesn't refuse to testify is a "Never Trumper" It'll be interesting what happens if Sondland testifies to being directed to withhold the money in exchange for an investigation how they'll handle that. 

 

Jennifer Williams is just another deep state supporter. Trump is just cleaning house, and trying to get rid of these deep state traitors to America. the US government appears to be full of deep state traitors. the great thing is that Trump is not afraid to take the deep sate on. I believe that he rather enjoys and gets great pleasure doing it, like attacking Williams. 

What has this guy, Lt. Col have to do or be able to offer with these hearings? Is he going to say and be like the rest that he heard from a friend, of their friend, from another friend of my mothers brother's wife? Sondland will be biting the dust like everybody else will be doing that shiffty Schiff tries to use to try and get some little wee wee bit of dirt on Trump. Trump is clean as a whistle, and old shiffty Schiff is the one that is getting dust all over his dumb bad ass lying body. Everyone who does testify is a "never Trumper". Shiffty Schiff refuses to bring anyone in to testify for Trump. Sure looks like the game is rigged in favor for Schiff, and this is just another useless waste of time, effort and tax dollars to try and get Trump for the third time now.

Go, Trump, go, kick their democrat dumb asses. 

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

Jennifer Williams is just another deep state supporter.

Evidence?

Just because she says a POTUS shouldn't be extorting foreign leaders for political help? 

Quote

What has this guy, Lt. Col have to do or be able to offer with these hearings? Is he going to say and be like the rest that he heard from a friend, of their friend, from another friend of my mothers brother's wife? 

He provides first hand accounts that match the "hearsay" that witnesses testified about last week.  

Both him and Williams were on the call. It's not hearsay. 

Edited November 19, 2019 by Boges

[taxme]

28 minutes ago, Boges said:

Trump is an awful person, a Bully and not a Conservative. It will be great to watch him fall from Grace. 

That being said, with this news that he made an unscheduled trip to the Hospital, perhaps the God that he pays lip service to to garner support from Christians who only want to make Abortion illegal may finally take him out. 

You're right, I'm Canadian, he doesn't effect my life all that much. Granted the Steel Tariffs were stupid and unproductive. 

But this Political theatre is great. And I enjoy debating people who really can't base the merits of the issue and just switch the goalposts. 

Hillary and Obama were awful people also. But with the MSM in America and Canada, both those liars and crooks got a pass. Look up all the crimes that Hillary had committed. Trump would look like an angel compared to what she did to people who fell out of grace with her. Some say that she may have been involved in some people's deaths. Never know, eh? 

Well, you sure are trying to make it appear as though Trump is hurting you in some way. After all, why do you keep attacking Trump all the time? Don't you ever get tired of attacking someone who has not hurt you in anyway? Do you by chance suffer from TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome)? It sure looks like it to me. Just wondering. 

That is all shiffty Schiff is doing. Moving the goal posts around to his favor so he can maybe try to get a goal scored on Trump. But Trump is wise to shiffty's goal changing of the posts, and because of that, Trump is now in the winning column and is winning by a score of 2 for Trump, and zero for the democrats like Schiff, and soon trump will be scoring another goal on old shiffty the goal post changing Schiff.  LOL. 

I have been watching this silly ass impeachment attempt going on against Trump for over three years now where the democrats have failed twice already and lost, and who are now going for a third loss. But yet there are still fools out there who enjoy watching the goalposts being changed around every day in the hopes that it will try and give Schiff the advantage, and get a goal on Trump. Not going to happen. But do keep enjoying this fake soap opera impeachment nonsense that is going on because that is all it is? A soap opera with terrible actors and activist losers starring in the show. 

PS: Your dear leader of Canada is an awful leftist lieberal person, and a big leftist bully. It will truly be great when the day comes that this fool falls from grace. Lol.

Edited November 19, 2019 by taxme

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

Hillary and Obama were awful people also. But with the MSM in America and Canada, both those liars and crooks got a pass. Look up all the crimes that Hillary had committed. Trump would look like an angel compared to what she did to people who fell out of grace with her. Some say that she may have been involved in some people's deaths. Never know, eh? 

Well, you sure are trying to make it appear as though Trump is hurting you in some way. After all, why do you keep attacking Trump all the time? Don't you ever get tired of attacking someone who has not hurt you in anyway? Do you by chance suffer from TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome)? It sure looks like it to me. Just wondering. 

That is all shiffty Schiff is doing. Moving the goal posts around to his favor so he can maybe try to get a goal scored on Trump. But Trump is wise to shiffty's goal changing of the posts, and because of that, Trump is now in the winning column and is winning by a score of 2 for Trump, and zero for the democrats like Schiff, and soon trump will be scoring another goal on old shiffty the goal post changing Schiff.  LOL. 

I have been watching this silly ass impeachment attempt going on against Trump for over three years now where the democrats have failed twice already and lost, and who are now going for a third loss. But yet there are still fools out there who enjoy watching the goalposts being changed around every day in the hopes that it will try and give Schiff the advantage, and get a goal on Trump. Not going to happen. But do keep enjoying this fake soap opera impeachment nonsense that is going on because that is all it is? A soap opera with terrible actors and activist losers starring in the show. 

PS: Your dear leader of Canada is an awful leftist lieberal person, and a big leftist bully. It will truly be great when the day comes that this fool falls from grace. Lol.

I take satisfaction that you resort to the "What did Trump do to you" argument. You're not actually debating the merits of Impeachment. 

I actually was amused when Trump was elected. Good on those complacent lefties. Until it became clear that Trump is a wannabe dictator. 

And I agree that JT is also an awful person. Didn't vote for him, even though the CPC candidate did all he could to lose. 

Edited November 19, 2019 by Boges

[taxme]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

Evidence?

Just because she says a POTUS shouldn't be extorting foreign leaders for political help? 

He provides first hand accounts that match the "hearsay" that witnesses testified about last week.  

Both him and Williams were on the call. It's not hearsay. 

Trump was not extorting anyone. Read the transcript, it's all there. No one except maybe shiffty Schiff and you believe that there was some kind of extortion against the Ukraine going on here. This is not about the Ukraine. This is just another blunder that has been created to try and get something on Trump once again. The democrats have nothing on Trump, and they never will. Why? Because Trump comes nowhere close to what the democrats have become over the past ten years. Nothing but big time crooks and liars. Everything that is going on at these impeachment fiasco hearings is mostly all made up from hearsay. 

So, after this is all over, will we have to all wait for a couple of months until schiffty Schiff comes out with his long awaited overdue Mueller type report? Lol. 

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump was not extorting anyone. Read the transcript, it's all there. No one except maybe shiffty Schiff and you believe that there was some kind of extortion against the Ukraine going on here. This is not about the Ukraine. This is just another blunder that has been created to try and get something on Trump once again. The democrats have nothing on Trump, and they never will. Why? Because Trump comes nowhere close to what the democrats have become over the past ten years. Nothing but big time crooks and liars. Everything that is going on at these impeachment fiasco hearings is mostly all made up from hearsay. 

So, after this is all over, will we have to all wait for a couple of months until schiffty Schiff comes out with his long awaited overdue Mueller type report? Lol. 

1) Not a Transcript, it's a memorandum. Vidman confirmed today that there was more said in the call.  

The first page of the document says. 

Quote

CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned t_o listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A numper of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the reco�d, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indifate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.

Regardless, he asks for politically motivated investigations immediately after President Zelinsky comments on the Javelins. 

2) Desperately need Military funding was withheld in exchange for a pledge for politically motivated investigation. 

3) The only reason money was finally released was when the Whistleblower complaint came to light. Coverup. 

Edited November 19, 2019 by Boges

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

I take satisfaction that you resort to the "What did Trump do to you" argument. You're not actually debating the merits of Impeachment. 

I actually was amused when Trump was elected. Good on those complacent lefties. Until it became clear that Trump is a wannabe dictator. 

And I agree that JT is also an awful person. Didn't vote for him, even though the CPC candidate did all he could to lose. 

I am always just so curious as to why do so many Canadians like you want to get all upset and involved in another countries affairs? I guess one of the reasons why this is so is because there just happens to be so many Canadians who have fallen for and have been conditioned and brainwashed by the American and Canadian MSM into believing that Trump is a very very very bad conservative boy, and Trump must be exposed. This has to be no doubt about it that this is why so many Canadians and you hate Trump. There is no impeachment to be had. Dream on, fella. 

I was quite happy when I found out that Hillary lost the election. I even enjoyed some of Hillary's supporters were seen on TV crying their liberal eyes out, and in some instances, screaming their liberal heads off over Hillary losing. Good on those stunned liberals. Hillary would have made a great dictator if she had become President. Trump is a businessman, and not a dictator. Dictators murder people,like it is believed that Hillary was involved in some murders. So, just how many people have been murdered by Trump since he was elected?  

I guess that it is afe to say that JT was elected by awful people. This is why I see Canada becoming more awful every day. The CPC lost the election because they showed we the people that they were not conservative at all, but were more like just another globalist liberal party to vote for. I think that JT got most of his votes from the many new ethnic groups of immigrants that came to Canada in the past four years. It would appear as though they saved his ass. Scheer was lucky that he got as many votes and seats as he did. If he acted more like a real and true conservative, he might be the PM of Canada today. Too late now for Scheer. The predictions are that Trump will win the next election in a landslide. I hope that Trump does because then the democrats will not be able to stop Trump from his wanting to make America great again. Trump hopefully will get a majority house and keep his majority senate. Then things will, get even better for America and Americans. 

[taxme]

15 minutes ago, Boges said:

1) Not a Transcript, it's a memorandum. Vidman confirmed today that there was more said in the call.  

The first page of the document says. 

Regardless, he asks for politically motivated investigations immediately after President Zelinsky comments on the Javelins. 

2) Desperately need Military funding was withheld in exchange for a pledge for politically motivated investigation. 

3) The only reason money was finally released was when the Whistleblower complaint came to light. Coverup. 

1. Whatever one wants to call it. Like what else could have been said in the call? How is the weather in the Ukraine today? How is your family doing? Lol. 

2. No politically motivated investigations asked for, like  you will not be getting any more money from America like Joe Biden did when you was the VP of America. He threatened the President of the Ukraine with no money until they fired a certain prosecutor. But you know that already, right?  Trump never said such a thing.. If so, where did he say it? Show me verbatim?  

3. Again the only reason why Ukraine got the money from Biden was that if the Ukraine fired a prosecutor they would get the money, which the MSM covered up. Trump never did the same and threaten anyone. All just democratic lies being spread by the corrupt and lying American MSM. Again, show me verbatim where he did this? I need to see those words said. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

OK well address the Ukraine matter. Or I'll assume you got nuthin'. 

Im perfectly happy to address the entire Ukraine matter. Dems sure aren’t. 

[Cannucklehead]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

You got nuttin' on Trump either, and never will be able to nail Trump on anything re: Ukraine. Trump is too smart for those fools and idiots in the dumbocrat party. All they keep doing every day is to continue to make asses of themselves, and they truly appear to enjoy making asses of themselves every day. All they want to do is keep trying to get in the way of Trump in his efforts of trying to "make America great again". The dumbocrats prefer to want to make America fail. 

You are another one here who cannot explain to me as to why you hate Trump so much as you do? Has Trump done anything to you that has hurt your wallet, or your feelings? If so, show me? Come on, give it to me. Otherwise I think that you and other Trump haters here should stop attacking Trump if he has not hurt you in any personal way. We have a prime mistake in Canada that needs more reviewing and reporting on. Trump is not your President, is he? 

Done on Canada day.  

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

1) Not a Transcript, it's a memorandum. Vidman confirmed today that there was more said in the call.  

The first page of the document says. 

Regardless, he asks for politically motivated investigations immediately after President Zelinsky comments on the Javelins. 

2) Desperately need Military funding was withheld in exchange for a pledge for politically motivated investigation. 

3) The only reason money was finally released was when the Whistleblower complaint came to light. Coverup. 

Once again you’re lying when you say that Trump asked for a politically motivated investigation right after Zelenski talked about purchasing more javelins. And I emphasize the part about “more” javelins because Obama had never given him any.

The reason why I say you’re lying is because (you are) Trump never referred to Biden’s investigation at all at that point. He directly said that he was talking about crowd strike, and crowd strike is only pertinent to the Russian collusion investigation which was about Trump himself. IE, Trump wasn’t talking about the proper investigation which needs to be done on Joe Biden, so he wasn’t talking about anything at all that could be construed to be politically motivated. 

Do you get it Boges? This is really simple. It’s idiotic for you to take the position that it’s wrong for someone to try to find exculpatory evidence to prove they’re innocent.

FYI, Zelensky later said that he didn’t even know that Javelins had been approved for the Ukraine, so he truly wasn’t under the impression that conducting the investigation was something that was required in order for him to receive more javelins.

All of your arguments rely on people accepting your false accusations and your incorrect interpretations, as usual you’re just plain wrong about everything. 
 

Schiff is trying to fabricate a Fake crime again, just like the Dems did with Russian collusion. You’re eating it up because you never learn, like a real-life Charlie Brown. 

 

[Boges]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Once again you’re lying when you say that Trump asked for a politically motivated investigation right after Zelenski talked about purchasing more javelins. And I emphasize the part about “more” javelins because Obama had never given him any.

The reason why I say you’re lying is because (you are) Trump never referred to Biden’s investigation at all at that point. He directly said that he was talking about crowd strike, and crowd strike is only pertinent to the Russian collusion investigation which was about Trump himself. IE, Trump wasn’t talking about the proper investigation which needs to be done on Joe Biden, so he wasn’t talking about anything at all that could be construed to be politically motivated. 

Do you get it Boges? This is really simple. It’s idiotic for you to take the position that it’s wrong for someone to try to find exculpatory evidence to prove they’re innocent.

FYI, Zelensky later said that he didn’t even know that Javelins had been approved for the Ukraine, so he truly wasn’t under the impression that conducting the investigation was something that was required in order for him to receive more javelins.

All of your arguments rely on people accepting your false accusations and your incorrect interpretations, as usual you’re just plain wrong about everything. 
 

Schiff is trying to fabricate a Fake crime again, just like the Dems did with Russian collusion. You’re eating it up because you never learn, like a real-life Charlie Brown. 

 

Anything Zelensky says isn't applicable because he's being extorted by POTUS. 

Even the GOP's start witnesses said they deemed investigations into the Biden's and Crowdstrike in exchange for military aid would have been unacceptable. 

Kurt Volker actually claimed he didn't drawn the comparison between Burisma and Hunter Biden. Even though it's plain as day in the Memorandum. 

[Boges]

BOOM!!!!!

Sonland just threw Rudy and Trump under the Bus. 

Confirming what everyone knows. The Military Aide was being withheld in exchange for political investigations and it was at the direction of Rudy, Trump's personal lawyer. 

First hand account. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Boges

[Boges]

How is this not Trump's John Dean moment? 

[Yzermandius19]

44 minutes ago, Boges said:

BOOM!!!!!

Sonland just threw Rudy and Trump under the Bus. 

Confirming what everyone knows. The Military Aide was being withheld in exchange for political investigations and it was at the direction of Rudy, Trump's personal lawyer. 

First hand account. 

Wrong. He testified he got no clear answer why the aid was withheld. All he has is a guess why it was withheld, total speculation. Even when he completely torpedoes your narrative, you still think it's a smoking gun. Hilarious.

He even testifies that Trump told him directly that didn't want anything, wasn't about a quid pro quo. All he has is speculation that he thinks it was about that, no proof whatsoever.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

 

18 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Wrong. He testified he got no clear answer why the aid was withheld. All he has is a guess why it was withheld, total speculation. Even when he completely torpedoes your narrative, you still think it's a smoking gun. Hilarious.

He even testifies that Trump told him directly that didn't want anything, wasn't about a quid pro quo. All he has is speculation that he thinks it was about that, no proof whatsoever.

Ostrich Head meet Sand. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/politics/gordon-sondland-opening-remarks-impeachment-hearing/index.html

Quote

 

Fourth, as I testified previously, Mr. Giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky. Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the President of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the President.

Fifth, in July and August 2019, we learned that the White House had also suspended security aid to Ukraine. I was adamantly opposed to any suspension of aid, as the Ukrainians needed those funds to fight against Russian aggression. I tried diligently to ask why the aid was suspended, but I never received a clear answer. In the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid, I later came to believe that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations of the 2016 election and Burisma, as Mr. Giuliani had demanded. I shared concerns of the potential quid pro quo regarding the security aid with Senator Ron Johnson. And I also shared my concerns with the Ukrainians.

 

Short of audio of the call that Sondland confirms happened where Trump demanded the investigation, I'm not sure how plain this can be. 

The alternative reasons given for the Aid to be suspended are complete bunk. Any reasonable person, and it seems everyone involved in this affair, came to the conclusion that the Aid was suspended as a Quid Pro Quo. 

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

 

Ostrich Head meet Sand. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/politics/gordon-sondland-opening-remarks-impeachment-hearing/index.html

Short of audio of the call that Sondland confirms happened where Trump demanded the investigation, I'm not sure how plain this can be. 

The alternative reasons given for the Aid to be suspended are complete bunk. Any reasonable person, and it seems everyone involved in this affair, came to the conclusion that the Aid was suspended as a Quid Pro Quo. 

That wasn't about the aid, that was about a White House visit. That's total nothing burger, unrelated to aid. Lots of reasonable people have come to a different conclusion, speculation is not evidence.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

Quote

 

Nonetheless, before the September 1 Warsaw meeting, the Ukrainians had become aware that the security funds had yet to be disbursed. In the absence of any credible explanation for the hold, I came to the conclusion that the aid, like the White House visit, was jeopardized. In preparation for the September 1 Warsaw meeting, I asked Secretary Pompeo whether a face-to- face conversation between Trump with Zelensky could help break the logjam. Specifically, on Thursday, August 22, I emailed Secretary Pompeo directly, copying Secretariat Kenna. I wrote:

"Should we block time in Warsaw for a short pull-aside for Potus to meet Zelensky? I would ask Zelensky to look him in the eye and tell him that once Ukraine's new justice folks are in place ([in] mid-Sept[ember), that Ze should be able to move forward publicly and with confidence on those issues of importance to Potus and to the US. Hopefully, that will break the logjam."

Secretary Pompeo replied, "Yes."

 

What other credible reason would the Aid be suspended?  

He's implicated the Secretary of State of having confirmed it was because POTUS wanted something from them. 

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

What other credible reason would the Aid be suspended?  

He's implicated the Secretary of State of having confirmed it was because POTUS wanted something from them. 

Trump said to Sondland that he didn't want anything. It doesn't matter if you can think of no other credible reason for the aid to be suspended, even though Sondland said it could was about 2016 interference and corruption, and he didn't even suspect that it MIGHT involve the Biden's until after he heard the phone call.

Even if there was no other credible reason, without proof that was the reason, of which there is none, it's all speculation and zero evidence. If you want to impeach the President based on speculation of an ambassador, good luck with selling that to the American electorate, that might fly with desperate House Dems, but that won't fly in the Senate, or in the court of public opinion.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump said to Sondland that he didn't want anything. It doesn't matter if you can think of no other credible reason for the aid to be suspended, even though Sondland said it could was about 2016 interference and corruption, and he didn't even suspect that it MIGHT involve the Biden's until after he heard the phone call.

Even if there was no other credible reason, without proof that was the reason, of which there is none, it's all speculation and zero evidence. If you want to impeach the President based on speculation of an ambassador, good luck with selling that to the American electorate, that might fly with desperate House Dems, but that won't fly in the Senate, or in the court of public opinion.

The Ambassador supplies direct knowledge of contact with the President. He corroborates opinions/testimony of several other witnesses and the Whistleblower. 

He will get impeached. The goal however is less removal from office and more forcing Republicans to be on record that they approve of a POTUS using the power of office to get a foreign leader to investigate political rivals. 

The Dems are going to win the Senate back because of this. 

 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

The Ambassador supplies direct knowledge of contact with the President. He corroborates opinions/testimony of several other witnesses and the Whistleblower. 

 

He said that contact with President did not result in the President telling him there was a quid pro quo based solely on investigating the Biden's, just the opposite. Opinions of others testifying, which is also just opinions, is not evidence. The Whistleblower only has his opinions and the opinions of others with no direct knowledge to go on as well. It's all opinion based on speculation and no real evidence whatsoever.

You think opinions are a smoking gun, because you have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Not a single witness has based their information on anything Trump told them, people in fact have opinions contrary to all the conversations they had with Trump. When they brought up their concerns directly to Trump in conversation, he told them those concerns were unfounded.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

He said that contact with President did not result in the President telling him there was quid pro quo, just the opposite. Opinions of others testifying, which is also just opinions is not evidence. The Whistleblower has no direct knowledge either.

The phone call made it clear he only cared about Crowdstrike and Burisma, not general corruption in Ukraine. To the point Sondland said that he'd be surprised if Trump didn't bring it up. It was all he cared about. It actually make it abundantly clear that Trump only cared about political investigation and not "general" corruption in Ukraine. Or the even more laughable excuse of European countries not contributing. 

The established Quid Pro Quo was an investigation for a meeting. Which isn't the bombshell but it's undeniable. The denials of a Quid Pro Quo were a lie. 

But any rational person assumed that the Military funding was also withdrawn unless there was a public declaration of an investigation. Not other reasonable explanation exists. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Boges