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Posted
1 minute ago, cybercoma said:

The left didn't want Hillary for president. They wanted Bernie.

Russia's right-wing had other plans. Bernie's way too left-wing for the oligarchs.

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Posted
15 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Donald Trump is like a salve for cultural hypersensitivity that has gone on for so long now, it's become a like dry rash. The demands of the left for their brand of "equality" has approached an insane level. His election represents an iconic "middle finger" to political correctness. Some folks insist there should be freedom of speech, but only if you say things that they permit to be said, in a way they want them to be said.

Who are you talking to anyway? Not me, that's for sure. You would be hard-pressed to find a less politically correct person around here, or a more classically conservative one. Trump isn't politically incorrect, he's just crude, vulgar and ignorant. 

 

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
30 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

True.  About the only lefty who came from stardom to politics that I can think of was Glenda Jackson.

Well, there's Al Franken.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
Just now, OftenWrong said:

Crude is a cigar in your pussy.

People put a lot of things in a lot of orifices in the privacy of their private lives. They fart, belch, pick their noses, and do a lot of other things most of us don't want to see or know about. A man conducts himself in public with a measure of dignity and restraint, as well as at least feigned respect for others. It shows he has manners and understand the need for same in a civilized society. Perhaps this has never been explained to you before. Clearly it's never been explained to Trump. He's known to have been resentful his whole life at not being accepted among the tonier people in New York. He's never seemed to understand it's because they regarded him as an ignorant, no-class rube.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
1 minute ago, Argus said:

Who are you talking to anyway? Not me, that's for sure. You would be hard-pressed to find a less politically correct person around here, or a more classically conservative one. Trump isn't politically incorrect, he's just crude, vulgar and ignorant. 

 

That's all true, but I think he's probably what America needs right now - and maybe for the next 8 years.   I'm definitely getting tired of the 'Trump is evil' campaign; stupid does not equal 'evil'.   And not all of Trump's ideas are stupid, anyway.    For instance, changing their education policy, improving infrastructure, lowering taxes and removing most tax-deductible allowances makes sense to me.   Along with that, he proposes having the wealthy give up their social security benefits so that lower-income people can keep theirs - some of these policies are not so dissimilar to Trudeau's, after all.

 

 

Posted
1 minute ago, Argus said:

People put a lot of things in a lot of orifices in the privacy of their private lives. They fart, belch, pick their noses, and do a lot of other things most of us don't want to see or know about. A man conducts himself in public with a measure of dignity and restraint, as well as at least feigned respect for others. It shows he has manners and understand the need for same in a civilized society. Perhaps this has never been explained to you before. Clearly it's never been explained to Trump. He's known to have been resentful his whole life at not being accepted among the tonier people in New York. He's never seemed to understand it's because they regarded him as an ignorant, no-class rube.

Even if that were true, the Clinton reference has another dimension to it. It would have put these two back in the White House, with a sudden increase in the number of cigars being ordered. I guess US voters could not pinch their noses enough. Much like our elections there was only two choices, terrible and completely unacceptable.

But in any case "crude" is a widespread phenomena, should be no surprise there. As a self proclaimed politically-incorrect right winger, you should know this.
Vulgar? First of all, even if it is vulgar, that should not be a criticism. The media is the message. We can waste a lot of time finding nicer words to say, to make you feel unthreatened, or we can just get to the point, say what needs to be said, and move on. We have a lot of ground to cover.

 

Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Even if that were true, the Clinton reference has another dimension to it. It would have put these two back in the White House, with a sudden increase in the number of cigars being ordered. I guess US voters could not pinch their noses enough. Much like our elections there was only two choices, terrible and completely unacceptable.

But in any case "crude" is a widespread phenomena, should be no surprise there. As a self proclaimed politically-incorrect right winger, you should know this.
Vulgar? First of all, even if it is vulgar, that should not be a criticism. The media is the message. We can waste a lot of time finding nicer words to say, to make you feel unthreatened, or we can just get to the point, say what needs to be said, and move on. We have a lot of ground to cover.

Words have never bothered me as long as I can return them in kind. Trump simply has no manners and no class. Say what you will about the Clintons, and people have said a lot, in public they knew how to act. Maybe they were ethically challenged in private, but then, so is Trump. 

Trump's latest tweet is to crow about how the ratings of that dumb TV show he was on have tanked with Arnold Schwarzenneger there and not him. I mean, honestly this is a guy who was never told being a swaggering braggart was in any way looked down on by others.

One of the reasons high society wanted nothing to do with him. Manhattan is the whitest and richest part of New York city, and the place he spent his life, and they voted something like 96% for Clinton. That ought to tell you something.

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"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
14 minutes ago, dialamah said:

That's all true, but I think he's probably what America needs right now - and maybe for the next 8 years.   I'm definitely getting tired of the 'Trump is evil' campaign; stupid does not equal 'evil'.   And not all of Trump's ideas are stupid, anyway.    For instance, changing their education policy, improving infrastructure, lowering taxes and removing most tax-deductible allowances makes sense to me.   Along with that, he proposes having the wealthy give up their social security benefits so that lower-income people can keep theirs - some of these policies are not so dissimilar to Trudeau's, after all.

Cutting taxes is idiotic when you've already got a massive deficit, and most of the tax cuts will benefit the very wealthy. So let's see, Joe Smith, who pulls in twenty million a year, loses his social security check. Awwww. But that's okay. The consolation is he pays a million dollars a year less in taxes. I think he'll be content.

Changing education policy seems to mean taking money from public schools and giving it to private schools. That too is dumb. 

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

 

But in any case "crude" is a widespread phenomena, should be no surprise there. As a self proclaimed politically-incorrect right winger, you should know this.
Vulgar? First of all, even if it is vulgar, that should not be a criticism. The media is the message. We can waste a lot of time finding nicer words to say, to make you feel unthreatened, or we can just get to the point, say what needs to be said, and move on. We have a lot of ground to cover.

 

Being crude, rude and vulgar does not bring people together.   Part of a leader's job, whether in a 3-person workplace or a huge country, is to work to bring people together.   If Trump does fail, it may not be because of his policies per se, but because of his inability or even unwillingness to create cohesion and cooperation.   People who are 'brutally honest' are not generally well-liked, and they are often avoided.   A leader cannot afford to be avoided.

 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Cutting taxes is idiotic when you've already got a massive deficit, and most of the tax cuts will benefit the very wealthy. 

Wait, I thought the basic Conservative fiscal policy was that cutting taxes created wealth which ultimately resulted in more taxes collected by the government?   

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Care to read your source?  That's not what it says.

 

It says:

 

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ISIS hails Donald Trump victory claiming billionaire 'fool' will destroy America HIMSELF allowing jihadis to seize power

 

The Republican was branded a "donkey" by militants who warned that they plan to seize power if he destroys the country

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-hails-donald-trump-victory-9229674

 

ISIS can't make up its mind!  ON one hand they're already claiming victory that Trump won because they're confident he'll destroy the country himself.......

 

....and yet, they're not sure, are they? Aren't they victory-celebrating a tad too early? :lol:

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The article says that ISIS is counting on Trump to assist them in destroying America.   How else can it possibly be understood?   

It's a big.......IF!

They said, IF he destroys the country!

They're fantacizing!  They're allowed that, I suppose. 

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My prediction.  The Trump presidency will be a gong show. He will be impeached and the Republicans will get the President they really want. Pence.

"Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC

Posted
12 minutes ago, Argus said:

 He's never seemed to understand it's because they regarded him as an ignorant, no-class rube.

That only makes him stronger and more independent . He is not beholden to the New York financial types.

Posted
2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That only makes him stronger and more independent . He is not beholden to the New York financial types.

So you don't think he owes them any money. Maybe beholden to Moscow financial types.

"Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC

Posted
29 minutes ago, Argus said:

Words have never bothered me as long as I can return them in kind. Trump simply has no manners and no class. Say what you will about the Clintons, and people have said a lot, in public they knew how to act. Maybe they were ethically challenged in private, but then, so is Trump. 

Trump's latest tweet is to crow about how the ratings of that dumb TV show he was on have tanked with Arnold Schwarzenneger there and not him. I mean, honestly this is a guy who was never told being a swaggering braggart was in any way looked down on by others.

One of the reasons high society wanted nothing to do with him. Manhattan is the whitest and richest part of New York city, and the place he spent his life, and they voted something like 96% for Clinton. That ought to tell you something.

Swaggering braggart vs.Arnold Scharwzenneger? Pot, meet kettle.

For right wingers, this is a great time of celebration, yet it seems you have no sense of humour. Methinks perhaps you are not as pc-incorrect right wing as you claim to be. Have we... softened over time?

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Being crude, rude and vulgar does not bring people together.   Part of a leader's job, whether in a 3-person workplace or a huge country, is to work to bring people together.   If Trump does fail, it may not be because of his policies per se, but because of his inability or even unwillingness to create cohesion and cooperation.   People who are 'brutally honest' are not generally well-liked, and they are often avoided.   A leader cannot afford to be avoided.

 

Most certainly it does. There are plenty of people who enjoy being crude, rude and vulgar. Some do it because they are fed up with being careful over every slightest little thing, to the point where you are paralyzed and can say nothing at all. There is only one response to that...

 

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Posted (edited)

Gee, you  blame the Russians for all fake news.....have you gone to facebook lately?  :)

Get used to it.  This is our reality!

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Posted
16 minutes ago, Wilber said:

My prediction.  The Trump presidency will be a gong show. He will be impeached and the Republicans will get the President they really want. Pence.

 

We'll have to wait and see.

Posted
2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Wait, I thought the basic Conservative fiscal policy was that cutting taxes created wealth which ultimately resulted in more taxes collected by the government?   

Depends on circumstances and degree. The US has been cutting taxes fairly steadily since Reagan's time. Which is why their debt is so very much higher now. The debt to GDP was 25% when Reagan took office. It's 75% now.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

That only makes him stronger and more independent . He is not beholden to the New York financial types.

Don't look now but most of those New York financial types are now in his cabinet and will be running his government.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Most certainly it does. There are plenty of people who enjoy being crude, rude and vulgar. Some do it because they are fed up with being careful over every slightest little thing, to the point where you are paralyzed and can say nothing at all.

And some because they're so arrogant, ignorant and inconsiderate they don't care who they insult or offend.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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