America under President Trump

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Legal prayers...from Hillary's fan base.

I think her days are over but you're free to pray for her return if you like.

[DogOnPorch]

37 minutes ago, Omni said:

I think her days are over but you're free to pray for her return if you like.

 

You're free to think that. 

But, I know it's you leading the prayer.

[Omni]

6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You're free to think that. 

But, I know it's you leading the prayer.

I think I'll return to discussing Trump since that is what this thread is about. You of course are free to drone on about Hillary and prayer at your leisure.

[hot enough]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Hitler was many things: conservative wasn't one of them.

Hitler was a fascist...and even if you don't like it a socialist. Nazis believed in socialism by nation...rather than universally as per Karl Marx.

It's even in the name: National Socialism.

A silly argument that has been put forward by conservatives that don't like it that Hitler and the Nazis are pretty much carbon copies of conservatives. 

 

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Myth: Hitler was a leftist.

Fact: Nearly all of Hitler's beliefs placed him on the far right. 



Summary

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist. 



Argument

To most people, Hitler's beliefs belong to the extreme far right. For example, most conservatives believe in patriotism and a strong military; carry these beliefs far enough, and you arrive at Hitler's warring nationalism. This association has long been something of an embarrassment to the far right. To deflect such criticism, conservatives have recently launched a counter-attack, claiming that Hitler was a socialist, and therefore belongs to the political left, not the right.

The primary basis for this claim is that Hitler was a National Socialist. The word "National" evokes the state, and the word "Socialist" openly identifies itself as such. 

However, there is no academic controversy over the status of this term: it was a misnomer. Misnomers are quite common in the history of political labels. Examples include the German Democratic Republic (which was neither) and Vladimir Zhirinovsky's "Liberal Democrat" party (which was also neither). The true question is not whether Hitler called his party "socialist," but whether or not it actually was.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

 

[DogOnPorch]

28 minutes ago, hot enough said:

A silly argument that has been put forward by conservatives that don't like it that Hitler and the Nazis are pretty much carbon copies of conservatives. 

 

 

 

Says the 9-11 Troother...Moon Hoaxer...anti-vaccine supporter. Or whatever else your "expert opinions" support.

[DogOnPorch]

35 minutes ago, Omni said:

I think I'll return to discussing Trump since that is what this thread is about. You of course are free to drone on about Hillary and prayer at your leisure.

 

I collect cards, so if your new faith has any holy cards or saint cards...I'd be interested.

I'll trade you a Rosie O'Donnell for an Ashley Judd...the bat-sh!t crazy ones are worth more.

[Topaz]

Trump has an uphill battle with the Dems  on all these fake charges that so far, there is no proof, but now they have a Democrat  supported special investigator, who hired  two more Dems to help him find things out on Trump and the Dep. AG is also a Dem., so can they really be fair and if u think they can be, then when do we hear  about what the Clintons were up to during the election with Bernie  and Seth Rich.

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Says t

Typical of your "scholarship", Dop.

[Omni]

10 minutes ago, Topaz said:

Trump has an uphill battle with the Dems  on all these fake charges that so far, there is no proof, but now they have a Democrat  supported special investigator, who hired  two more Dems to help him find things out on Trump and the Dep. AG is also a Dem., so can they really be fair and if u think they can be, then when do we hear  about what the Clintons were up to during the election with Bernie  and Seth Rich.

I think you're a bit mixed up as to political affiliations, both Mueller and Rosenstein are Republicans, and both were appointed by Trump. 

[Omni]

Trump just can't keep away from his tweeter account. He's at it again today lashing out at Mueller, as if that's going to have any effect on Mueller's investigation, and only serves to indicate how unworthy he is to occupy the office he does. And he can't fire Mueller like he did Comey which must really irritate his childlike temper. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Why can't Trump use Twitter ?   It's only one of many American social media platforms...used by millions of Canadians too !

[Omni]

I had wondered on here earlier if, in the wake of yesterdays baseball shootings, if the discussions that emerged as to toning down the vitriol within US political parties would take hold at all and have any legs. As expected, Trump took to his tweeter account and starts ripping at Hillary I guess because he finds himself now being investigated for criminal activities. He's been in office over 200 days, you'd think he'd stop with the nonsense about Hillary. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Another Trump campaign promise fulfilled....what part of "illegal" don't illegals understand ?

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WASHINGTON — An Obama-era immigration program intended to protect parents of U.S. citizens and legal residents from deportation has been formally cancelled, fulfilling a key campaign promise from President Donald Trump, the Homeland Security Department announced late Thursday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/admin-revokes-blocked-program-to-protect-immigrant-parents/2017/06/15/48058556-523c-11e7-b74e-0d2785d3083d_story.html?utm_term=.63761cb348fb

 

[betsy]

Media's got a slant, somehow blaming Donald Trump for the shooting in Virginia.

 

What next to blame Trump with?  The Grenfell Tower!

[hot enough]

18 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Why can't Trump use Twitter ?  

He can, and good people everyone welcome him doing so, hanging himself with his every tweet. 

It's interesting how rank partisans will support the goofiest, the most evil people just because they have some emotional investment in them. 

[hot enough]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

What next to blame Trump with?  

Trump will figure something out, Betsy. He hasn't failed yet. He is on a tear!

[Omni]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

 

Media's got a slant, somehow blaming Donald Trump for the shooting in Virginia.

 

 

It wasn't the media that stood up at the campaign rally and told everyone he would pay the legal fees for anyone who wants to punch a protest sign carrier in the mose.

[Omni]

So there was Trump making his latest speech in Little Havana with regard to changes to relations with Cuba prattling on at length about human rights abuses in by the Cuban government, and this mere days after his first international trip which featured a first stop in Saudi Arabia whom he sold a few billion worth of military hardware to. If that doesn't smack of hypocrisy then I don't know what does. Of course there are a lot of Cuban Americans in Florida who voted for him, so I guess that squares the circle his mind.

[betsy]

4 hours ago, Omni said:

It wasn't the media that stood up at the campaign rally and told everyone he would pay the legal fees for anyone who wants to punch a protest sign carrier in the mose.

 

See?  You're blaming Trump for the Virginia shooting!

Edited June 16, 2017 by betsy

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

See?  You're blaming Trump for the Virginia shooting!

I'm blaming him for his childish thuggery and continuing hate rhetoric that could easily contribute to such events. Luckily many of the people who occupy capitol hill on both sides of the aisle have now recognized, and are talking about toning it down. We shall see how effective that effort will be, but it's quite obvious Trump himself hasn't got the message as he rips into his tweeter account bitching about the fact he is under investigation, and can't really punch anybody in the mouth over it.   

[taxme]

On 6/15/2017 at 0:10 AM, Omni said:

Embarrass yourself to whomever you wish.

So, what do you have to say about that left wing liberal democrat nut case that tried to kill some Republicans last week? I think that we are really starting to see the true colors of those left wing marxist liberal/democrats that have decided that Republicans need to be murdered. It would appear as though the liberal marxists democrats have declared war on conservatives, and killing is in the plans. What say you on this? 

[Omni]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

So, what do you have to say about that left wing liberal democrat nut case that tried to kill some Republicans last week? I think that we are really starting to see the true colors of those left wing marxist liberal/democrats that have decided that Republicans need to be murdered. It would appear as though the liberal marxists democrats have declared war on conservatives, and killing is in the plans. What say you on this? 

I say shooting people is against the law. 

[taxme]

On 6/15/2017 at 11:00 AM, hot enough said:

A silly argument that has been put forward by conservatives that don't like it that Hitler and the Nazis are pretty much carbon copies of conservatives. 

 

 

Just like the left wing liberal democrats which are pretty much carbon copies of Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot, not to forget to put Castro in there also. An intolerant bigoted bunch of marxists if there ever were. Now they believe in murdering their opponents. The liberal/democrats have gone to far on this attempted murder of a Republican. 

[taxme]

On 6/15/2017 at 11:32 AM, Topaz said:

Trump has an uphill battle with the Dems  on all these fake charges that so far, there is no proof, but now they have a Democrat  supported special investigator, who hired  two more Dems to help him find things out on Trump and the Dep. AG is also a Dem., so can they really be fair and if u think they can be, then when do we hear  about what the Clintons were up to during the election with Bernie  and Seth Rich.

We will never hear about the crimes of the Clinton's. The fake and phony lame duck liberal media will not touch that with a hundred foot pole. Why? Because the Hillary loving media know that she is a criminal, and know that she should be in jail. Let's hope that Trump goes after her, and put an end to her criminal career once and for all. 

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Omni said:

I had wondered on here earlier if, in the wake of yesterdays baseball shootings, if the discussions that emerged as to toning down the vitriol within US political parties would take hold at all and have any legs. As expected, Trump took to his tweeter account and starts ripping at Hillary I guess because he finds himself now being investigated for criminal activities. He's been in office over 200 days, you'd think he'd stop with the nonsense about Hillary. 

One would think that the liberal dumbocrats would quit by now with all their anti-Trump bull chit nonsense. Trump is having a hard time trying to get anything done that will be of great benefit and once again make America great. They need to be told to shut the hell up and sit hell down now.