bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Right wingers understand the problem Trump is having with certain parts of the media, the parts who can't understand what is meant unless explained to them in the absolute simplest way, who seek to make an issue out of every quotation, comma, question mark. The leftist media seeks to make America under president Trump obsessed with these minutia, by inflating everything to the point of national emergency. Many people though are smarter than this. Eventually fatigue sets in, people know they're being conned by media like CNN. Agreed...and this was clearly explained during and after the election: Quote The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-makes-his-case-in-pittsburgh/501335/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
OftenWrong Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Let's talk about more important things than the interpretation of president Trump's symbols of punctuation. @kimmy asked what accomplishments president Donald Trump has made in terms of the US economy. - U.S. employers added jobs beyond expectations in both January (238,000) and February (235,000), with the unemployment rate falling to 4.7% and wages growing 2.8%. According to Bloomberg, America’s labor market is getting better “by any measure”. – Manufacturing is at its most robust since 1984. The Philly Fed Index, a survey of how well manufacturers are doing, hit its highest level since 1984. – Small and medium businesses are confident about the future. The NFIB Small Business Optimism Index is at its highest level since 2004. Economic confidence is surging. – The stock market keeps topping record highs. The Dow closed above 20,000 for the first time ever days after Trump’s inauguration and hasn’t stopped rising since. The Dow has surged more than 2500 points since Trump was elected – a 12 per cent spike. – Samsung is moving jobs back to the U.S. as a result of Trump’s election. The technology giant will invest $300 million in expanding U.S. production facilities. – Exxon moving jobs back to the U.S. as a result of Trump’s election. Exxon will spend $20 billion over 10 years on 11 plants along the Gulf Coast, creating a whopping 45,000 jobs for American workers. – Fiat will invest $1 billion in two U.S. factories. Fiat Chrysler is set to invest $1 billion in two factories in Toledo and Detroit, an expansion that will create 2,000 jobs. Also interesting note about security: – Illegal immigration from Mexico is down 40 per cent in Trump’s first month. Border crossings have already dropped by 40 per cent, according to the DHS as Trump moves forward with his campaign promise to build a wall. Edited March 18, 2017 by OftenWrong Quote
betsy Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, BubberMiley said: I think Really? Countries should defer to what you think? How they should plan for their defense? Liberals love to make serious discussions of what they think. Discuss with Dialamah. I leave the two of you together - your thinking are on the same plane. Edited March 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
BubberMiley Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 2 hours ago, betsy said: Really? Countries should defer to what you think? How they should plan for their defense? Liberals love to make serious discussions of what they think. Discuss with Dialamah. I leave the two of you together - your thinking are on the same plane. I was asking you whether you think it's fair to boost defence spending at such an extreme rate while cutting taxes to the rich and cutting programs for the poor and elderly. You do realize that the guy you have exuberantly praised for keeping his promises said he would improve healthcare by making it cheaper and better and then gleefully gutted it instead. But yes, I do enjoy serious discussions. The fact that you will not address my question because you know any real answer would just make you look horrible shows that's something you've never been interested in. Discuss with BC2004. I leave the two of you together. Your thinking is on the same plane. 1 2 Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. Agreed...and this was clearly explained during and after the election: He just found out (again) that judges also take him literally. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 9 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Let's talk about more important things than the interpretation of president Trump's symbols of punctuation. @kimmy asked what accomplishments president Donald Trump has made in terms of the US economy. - U.S. employers added jobs beyond expectations in both January (238,000) and February (235,000), with the unemployment rate falling to 4.7% and wages growing 2.8%. According to Bloomberg, America’s labor market is getting better “by any measure”. – Manufacturing is at its most robust since 1984. The Philly Fed Index, a survey of how well manufacturers are doing, hit its highest level since 1984. You realize he's been president for less than two months, right? The proper answer is that nothing he has done has had any real impact as of yet. How could it have? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, Wilber said: He just found out (again) that judges also take him literally. So do U.S. agents on the Canadian and Mexican border. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
OftenWrong Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 34 minutes ago, Argus said: You realize he's been president for less than two months, right? The proper answer is that nothing he has done has had any real impact as of yet. How could it have? Plenty of things can happen immediately, like the stock market, investors moving their funds to a different place, employers making announcements that what they're doing is in support of the new administration's direction. Confidence alone can accomplish quite a lot. But there is more than just simply confident reactions happening. One of Trumps primary themes is to get manufacturers to move jobs back to America. Several companies came forward with announcements to that effect. Example- The chief executive of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles said his company could quickly move production of Ram heavy-duty pickup trucks to Michigan from Mexico if President Donald J. Trump's "America First" economic plan provides enough incentives. "Properly motivated, it could be executed very quickly by FCA," possibly by 2019 or 2020, Sergio Marchionne told analysts during a conference call to discuss the company's record financial results for 2016. Simple question- If the past two months had been a complete shit-show for the economy, would the news be otherwise? Would that be considered the fault of Donald Trump? Why yes. Yes it would. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Simple question- If the past two months had been a complete shit-show for the economy, would the news be otherwise? Would that be considered the fault of Donald Trump? Why yes. Yes it would. 100% correct....touche ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 A lot of people, including Republicans, don't think much of Trump's budget, which, contrary to his talk of a billion dollars for infrastructure actually makes major cuts to the transportation department which builds and maintains highways and bridges. The National Institutes of Health would see its funding cut by US$5.8B, or almost 20%. The separate science office would suffer similar damage, with knock-on cuts in grants for 300 research universities and America’s national laboratories. The energy department’s ARPE-E programme for cutting-edge research in new fuel sources and “mini-Manhattan” projects of all kinds would be eliminated. This is how the U.S. hands over leadership of 21st century technology to Asia. It is superpower suicide. The plans are a signal of intent. The full budget will not be fleshed out until May. Republicans on Capitol Hill have already repudiated many of the cuts. Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain say the assault on the State Department is “dead on arrival.” Former house speaker Newt Gingrich said the cuts to scientific research are idiotic. Others will fight to save popular programs in their districts http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/trumps-budget-is-how-the-u-s-hands-over-leadership-of-21st-century-technology-to-asia-it-is-superpower-suicide Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Plenty of things can happen immediately, like the stock market, investors moving their funds to a different place, employers making announcements that what they're doing is in support of the new administration's direction. Confidence alone can accomplish quite a lot. Most of those employer announcements were simply announcing things they'd already planned. And the confidence is mostly about big cuts to corporate taxes, which I don't think the US can afford. 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Simple question- If the past two months had been a complete shit-show for the economy, would the news be otherwise? Would that be considered the fault of Donald Trump? Why yes. Yes it would. By some, maybe, but that would be equally untrue. It takes a long time to stop or turn one of those huge oil tankers at sea. It takes a lot of pressure and time on the rudder to shift a nation state like the US too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: A lot of people, including Republicans, don't think much of Trump's budget, which, contrary to his talk of a billion dollars for infrastructure actually makes major cuts to the transportation department which builds and maintains highways and bridges. Trump's budget plans and tax cuts are well intentioned, but would be a fiscal disaster for U.S. national debt. This is why I didn't vote for him. He won't get a lot of what he wants....it's up to Congress. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So do U.S. agents on the Canadian and Mexican border. So you approve of them ignoring your courts? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 51 minutes ago, Wilber said: So you approve of them ignoring your courts? I approve of executive power as provided for in the constitution and legal challenges in the courts. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I approve of executive power as provided for in the constitution and legal challenges in the courts. It has been challenged in the courts and so far, successfully. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, Wilber said: It has been challenged in the courts and so far, successfully. One terror attack away.... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, Wilber said: It has been challenged in the courts and so far, successfully. So what's the problem ? Obama EOs were challenged in court as well. Just another day as U.S. president. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: So what's the problem ? Obama EOs were challenged in court as well. Just another day as U.S. president. So your border personnel would be breaking the law by ignoring a court order and taking Trump literally. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: So your border personnel would be breaking the law by ignoring a court order and taking Trump literally. No they wouldn't....border agents have wide discretion on admitting foreign nationals...Trump or no Trump. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No they wouldn't....border agents have wide discretion on admitting foreign nationals...Trump or no Trump. Sure they do but they can't go against a court order. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: Sure they do but they can't go against a court order. Yes they can.....it would just lead to another round in court if lawsuits are brought. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes they can.....it would just lead to another round in court if lawsuits are brought. They have quite a bit of power but making laws isn't one of them. 1 Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: They have quite a bit of power but making laws isn't one of them. Don't be naive....the border agents can legally have a significant impact on travel to the U.S., even before Trump. About 1,000 people are denied entry each day. 1 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Don't be naive....the border agents can legally have a significant impact on travel to the U.S., even before Trump. About 1,000 people are denied entry each day. I don't deny that, I am saying they can't go against a court ruling. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Wilber said: I don't deny that, I am saying they can't go against a court ruling. Yes they can...and deal with any ramifications later. No foreign national has the unlimited right to enter the U.S. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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