BubberMiley Posted January 12, 2017 Report Posted January 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, betsy said: Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440978/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-emails-morally-questionable-factually-accurate You're in denial. Are you trying to say that because Julian Assange gave his stamp of approval, that counts as being verified? Are you aware that Paul Ryan (who is a Republican, if you don't follow closely enough to know) said that Assange is a sycophant to Putin? Would such an allegation compel you to request third-party verification before releasing the information? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted January 12, 2017 Report Posted January 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, betsy said: EH????? Trump is under investigation by the CIA and FBI for the allegations against him of colluding with Russia to win the election. I'm surprised you didn't know this yet. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
betsy Posted January 12, 2017 Author Report Posted January 12, 2017 1 minute ago, BubberMiley said: Are you trying to say that because Julian Assange gave his stamp of approval, that counts as being verified? Are you aware that Paul Ryan (who is a Republican, if you don't follow closely enough to know) said that Assange is a sycophant to Putin? Would such an allegation compel you to request third-party verification before releasing the information? You're missing the point. Review what we've discussed. I don't want to get in a circular argument with you. Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 12, 2017 Report Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) 32 minutes ago, betsy said: You're missing the point. Review what we've discussed. I don't want to get in a circular argument with you. Your point is that wikileaks is a credible source and provides verification in and of itself. It's not and it doesn't. Just because their information is "often reliable" doesn't mean it has been verified. The intelligence agent that provided the dossier has been identified as credible by other intelligence agents and the CIA. That doesn't mean the dossier was verified either. Edited January 12, 2017 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Wilber Posted January 12, 2017 Report Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: Let me repeat: Even if it's a train load, if it's unverified, it's not important! It's not news! All in good fun betsy, just like all that birther and other nonsense Trump spouted, Right? Can't you take a joke for pete's sake? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
kimmy Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 Meanwhile, at the confirmation hearings: "It will not be my intention to do anything that will benefit any American." -Dr Ben Carson. Perhaps Dr Ben should stick to neurosurgery. His qualifications for the HUD secretary post are apparently that he's black, Republican, and loved by born-again Christians. There's nothing wrong with any of those things, of course, but none of them actually have anything to do with the job he's interviewing for. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Moonlight Graham Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 9 hours ago, BubberMiley said: Trump is under investigation by the CIA and FBI for the allegations against him of colluding with Russia to win the election. I'm surprised you didn't know this yet. Is Trump actually under investigation yet though, formally? Either way, this guy hasn't even been sworn in yet and is bogged in scandal. Imagine what's going to happen when he actually has power. I've never seen arrogance go well for a politician...look at Chretien and Harper. Trump is already far beyond that and hasn't even been sworn in. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Topaz Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 Trump really put the CNN reporter in this place yesterday and the guy wouldn't quit talking after Trump told him he wouldn't talk to him because of what CNN was reporting about the Russians and him. Quote
kimmy Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 We now know that the FBI takes this dossier seriously enough that James Comey personally briefed Trump about it last Friday. It's ridiculous to suggest that it's not news. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Argus Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 22 hours ago, betsy said: Everyone implicated in those leaks didn't deny them. They just sought to change the subject! Look at her Wall Street speech as an example - she can't deny that! Are you trumpites still trying to accuse Clinton of being too close to Wall Street even after your beloved man of the people has basically filled his cabinet and advisory posts with people from Wall Street? Although Trump criticized the bank as a symbol of Wall Street greed during his election campaign, Powell joins at least three other Goldman alums in the new administration. Steven Mnuchin, a former partner at the firm, was named Treasury secretary; former Goldman Sachs President Gary Cohn was named to the top White House economic post; and Stephen Bannon will be chief strategist. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-12/goldman-sachs-s-dina-powell-named-as-trump-s-economic-assistant Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 22 hours ago, blueblood said: I showed you two articles and your just sticking your fingers in your ears, CNN put something out and got slapped royally. Boo hoo!!! Did they put something out which wasn't true? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 21 hours ago, blueblood said: The report came from a former British spy working for trumps opponents to find dirt. How credible is that report when the mike cohen part was shredded. So if one part of a report is wrong all of it is wrong? Does not compute. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Is Trump actually under investigation yet though, formally? Either way, this guy hasn't even been sworn in yet and is bogged in scandal. Given the enormous risk if there is any truth to the allegations I would be astounded if every American and world intelligence agency wasn't actively investigating any and all connections between him and his people and the Russians, and trying to ascertain what evidence the Russians might have in their possession. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Argus said: Given the enormous risk if there is any truth to the allegations I would be astounded if every American and world intelligence agency wasn't actively investigating any and all connections between him and his people and the Russians, and trying to ascertain what evidence the Russians might have in their possession. Exactly, this is not just more crap coming from the internet, its source has serious intelligence credentials. Every intelligence agency in the world has this dossier and will investigate it using their own resources, apply their own interpretation an act accordingly. If they feel there is a possibility that the Oval Office is a conduit to the Kremlin, they will be very careful with what they share with the Americans regardless of what the CIA or FBI does. Some may even try to spread their own disinformation through the White House. Regardless of what the CIA and FBI share with the public, if they internally feel there is a risk the White House will compromise their sources and operations, they will be very careful about what they share with the President. This is has the potential to become an impossible situation and the Trumpites better wake up and realize this is really serious shit, not some stupid political game. As a footnote, I have found that I have been posting less and less over the past year on fewer topics while more and more of my posts are being deleted with no explanation. I don't know if it is the direction this forum has gone, or just me but I have reached the conclusion that after eleven years I am time expired on this forum and am no longer willing to take the time to post if they just get deleted. Bye all. Enjoy yourselves. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wilber said: As a footnote, I have found that I have been posting less and less over the past year on fewer topics while more and more of my posts are being deleted with no explanation. I don't know if it is the direction this forum has gone, or just me but I have reached the conclusion that after eleven years I am time expired on this forum and am no longer willing to take the time to post if they just get deleted. Bye all. Enjoy yourselves. I don't think you should let your annoyance drive you off. You can say whatever you want here as long as it's properly phrased. And I don't mean respectfully phrased. I have certainly been pretty disrespectful of both Trump and Trudeau, not to mention a number of the posters here. And when I notice a post deleted I generally rewrite it and put it up again. If I note a thread blocked and want to keep talking I will start a new one. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
betsy Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Argus said: Are you trumpites still trying to accuse Clinton of being too close to Wall Street even after your beloved man of the people has basically filled his cabinet and advisory posts with people from Wall Street? No. I was simply using Clinton's Wall Street speech as an example of Wikileaks. Wall Street doesn't interest me. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 I like Pelosi's comment on Trump Administration's proposal to defund Planned Parenthood. She says it's a manhood thing.. Brilliant! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
betsy Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, kimmy said: We now know that the FBI takes this dossier seriously enough that James Comey personally briefed Trump about it last Friday. It's ridiculous to suggest that it's not news. -k Well, they have to let him know. But they're also quick to say that it's unverified. Edited January 13, 2017 by betsy Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, betsy said: Well, they have to let him know. But they're also quick to say that it's unverified. Agree, they had to let him know because they think it's important enough even though it's unverified. That alone is cause for it to be reported on MSM. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 8 hours ago, Topaz said: Trump really put the CNN reporter in this place yesterday and the guy wouldn't quit talking after Trump told him he wouldn't talk to him because of what CNN was reporting about the Russians and him. No, Trump didn't put him in his place. Trump was bullying the reporter after Trump attacked the credibility of the news organization he works for and the reporter was trying to address the issue (and rightfully so) but Trump is too much of a coward (as bullies usually are) to debate it with him. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 So Lewis states that Trump is not a 'legimate' President-Elect' because of Russia's interference in the election campaign. Is Lewis just calling out the elephant in the room that everyone refuses to admit or is he out of line? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
betsy Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said: Agree, they had to let him know because they think it's important enough even though it's unverified. That alone is cause for it to be reported on MSM. It is unverified. It doesn't have to be on the MSM. Unless they're tabloid - you know - like the headline, Space Aliens Live In Manhattan! You're talking about the President-elect! MSM has become so trashy. Edited January 13, 2017 by betsy Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, betsy said: It is unverified. It doesn't have to be on the MSM. Unless they're tabloid - you know - like the headline, Space Aliens Live In Manhattan! It doesn't have to be but why would a news organization refuse to publish it if it was important enough to notify the current Administration as well as Trump's administration. It is the news organization's duty to inform the public of information such as this. Do you want the news information you receive to be censored? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Argus Posted January 13, 2017 Report Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said: So Lewis states that Trump is not a 'legimate' President-Elect' because of Russia's interference in the election campaign. Is Lewis just calling out the elephant in the room that everyone refuses to admit or is he out of line? I think that, barring evidence of vote tampering, Trump is the legitimate president. However, I think it's fair to say that had it not been for Russia, Clinton would have likely won. And that, of course, is why Trump is pushing back so hard on this issue. He doesn't want to acknowledge he couldn't win without Russian help. Edited January 13, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
betsy Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said: It doesn't have to be but why would a news organization refuse to publish it if it was important enough to notify the current Administration as well as Trump's administration. It is the news organization's duty to inform the public of information such as this. Do you want the news information you receive to be censored? Well, it depends. First of all, it involves another country. It is negligent, I think. Gone are the days when news we read are facts! Edited January 13, 2017 by betsy Quote
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