Fort McMurray wildfire

[BubberMiley]

Is the Trudeau fire still burning?

What do you care? It didn't turn into the Katrina you had hoped it would, if that's what you're asking.

[Shady]

What do you care? It didn't turn into the Katrina you had hoped it would, if that's what you're asking.

Yeah, it's still burning strong, but nah, no help is needed.

[BubberMiley]

Yeah, it's still burning strong, but nah, no help is needed.

You know nothing about fighting forest fires but you know how to play politics with anything. Not very well though.

[Shady]

You know nothing about fighting forest fires but you know how to play politics with anything. Not very well though.

Tell that to people that are continuing to lose their homes.

[overthere]

Is the Trudeau fire still burning?

Yes still burning , but the changes in wind, humidity and of course some rain that finally came has cooled it considerably.

The media presence is a fraction of what it was, and we won't be seeing or hearing anything more from anybody in Ottawa.

Edited June 1, 2016 by overthere

[BubberMiley]

Tell that to people that are continuing to lose their homes.

Continuing to lose their homes? What are you talking about? You wouldn't just be making things up now in the hopes that you aren't once again wrong, are you? Perhaps a cite is in order to show who exactly in FM is "continuing to lose their home" and that you aren't a compulsive liar.

[Shady]

Continuing to lose their homes? What are you talking about? You wouldn't just be making things up now in the hopes that you aren't once again wrong, are you? Perhaps a cite is in order to show who exactly in FM is "continuing to lose their home" and that you aren't a compulsive liar.

Not sure if you're aware, but the fire's spread, it's not just in FM. Don't worry though, no help is necessary.

[BubberMiley]

Not sure if you're aware, but the fire's spread, it's not just in FM. Don't worry though, no help is necessary.

I'm aware. But whose homes are "continuing" to be lost?

[BubberMiley]

Apology accepted for lying and trying to exploit people for political purposes while they are down.

[Shady]

Apology accepted for lying and trying to exploit people for political purposes while they are down.

Oh I see. When was the last day somebody lost a home to the fire?

[BubberMiley]

Oh I see. When was the last day somebody lost a home to the fire?

You want me to cite your posts for you?

[overthere]

Yes still burning , but the changes in wind, humidity and of course some rain that finally came has cooled it considerably.

The media presence is a fraction of what it was, and we won't be seeing or hearing anything more from anybody in Ottawa.

I hope nobody thinks that was a criticism of Ottawa or Trudeau.

Not seeing or hearing from there is a good thing. a really good thing. Having no expectations at all means never being disappointed, right? And every time a Trudeau gets sniffing around the AB economy, major trouble follows. Pipelines anybody? No? Big surprise there.

[Smallc]

Pipelines anybody? No? Big surprise there.

Were you under some king of illusion that anyone would have got to that point in 6 months?

[overthere]

Were you under some king of illusion that anyone would have got to that point in 6 months?

Fact: An expression of support for any industry takes less time than organizing one selfie.

Oh wait, another fact: He is officially a 'referee' on this file, by definition a disinterested bystander with no interest in outcome to an the industry which is a major contributor to our trade balance and the actual, current and future health of our national economy. Is that an illusion?

[PIK]

CC had nothing to do with it. Fires are actually down in that area and the only reason we heard about this fire ,is because they built a city in the middle of that bush.

[PIK]

Putting out every bush fire is a problem.

[dpwozney]

A new report on the Fort McMurray wildfire claims that "overall, the buffer zone between neighbourhoods and the forest was sufficient", according to a CBC article.

" ... In his report, Westhaver ... found that most homes were likely ignited by wind-driven embers in areas of the city where the fire made its 'transition from forest into urban neighbourhoods.' ...

.. "Homeowners do need to take more responsibility," said Westhaver. ...

... Westhaver's report also notes that overall, the buffer zone between neighbourhoods and the forest was sufficient. ..."

The buffer zone between neighbourhoods and the forest was not sufficient.

There should be no embers whatsoever from a forest fire falling on any neighbourhoods ever.

Homeowners should not have to deal with embers from a forest fire falling on their homes.

[Guest]

A new report on the Fort McMurray wildfire claims that "overall, the buffer zone between neighbourhoods and the forest was sufficient", according to a CBC article.

The buffer zone between neighbourhoods and the forest was not sufficient.

There should be no embers whatsoever from a forest fire falling on any neighbourhoods ever.

Homeowners should not have to deal with embers from a forest fire falling on their homes.

They wouldn't, if they built their homes far enough away from any trees.

[The_Squid]

A new report on the Fort McMurray wildfire claims that "overall, the buffer zone between neighbourhoods and the forest was sufficient", according to a CBC article.

The buffer zone between neighbourhoods and the forest was not sufficient.

There should be no embers whatsoever from a forest fire falling on any neighbourhoods ever.

Homeowners should not have to deal with embers from a forest fire falling on their homes.

Neighbourhoods should all be built with several kilometres of gravel or pavement around them? Fires happen. I live across the street from a forested park. Should it be paved??? Lol

[msj]

That's the problem with people making knee jerk reactions to news stories: in their quest to mitigate all and any risk away they make the world a worse place to live.

[dpwozney]

Neighbourhoods should all be built with several kilometres of gravel or pavement around them? Fires happen. I live across the street from a forested park. Should it be paved???

A buffer is made up of "non-fuel and light-fuel zones".

"Non-fuel" areas consist of "paved roads, gravelled shoulders, and one or more parallel sidewalks or footpaths incapable of sustaining fire".

"Light-fuel zones" are "comprised of contiguous grassy or gravelled verges, grassed or bare ditches, plus boulevards and residential lawns".

In some locations a buffer is "further augmented by hiking or ski trails, and un-treed park or green spaces that would support low intensity surface fire; non-threatening in terms of direct home ignition by flames or radiant heat".

[Smallc]

So get rid of all the trees then - no thanks.

[dpwozney]

So get rid of all the trees then - no thanks.

You do not need to get rid of all the trees, but rather just enough trees in acceptable areas to reduce the intensity and size of any wildfire so the firefighters are not so overwhelmed.

And yes, in some areas (eg. soccer fields), they actually do get rid of all the trees.

In this image, taken from this webpage showing the west side of Beacon Hill, the buffer between the forest and homes is less than 20 meters.

[Guest]

You do not need to get rid of all the trees, but rather just enough trees in acceptable areas to reduce the intensity and size of any wildfire so the firefighters are not so overwhelmed.

And yes, in some areas (eg. soccer fields), they actually do get rid of all the trees.

In this image, taken from this webpage showing the west side of Beacon Hill, the buffer between the forest and homes is less than 20 meters.

You make a good point with that photo, but I would suggest, and it's just my opinion, that the proximity of the local flora was one reason that attracted the buyers of those properties.

[overthere]

I had dinner last night with a couple from Fort Mac.

They lost their home in the fire and found a place to rent. They confirmed that there was a brief window on the first day when the fire might have been contained, but after that it was impossible to extinguish or control.

They also noted that very little money has been paid out to anybody by insurance companies. Little rebuilding has occurred this year and as a result. In a few short weeks, it will be cold and much harder to rebuild anything. We all found it ironic and typical that these same insurance companies all took out expensvie print and media ads during and after the fire to assure locals that 'we have your back'. Yeah sure you do.