Rue Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) He has proved it. Argus, PIK, Shady, jbg and yourself have demonstrated what Ghost is saying with the generic reactionary examples of how Zionist apologists flash the anti-semite card when there is criticism of the Zionist ideology and the actions of Israel. So if we did provide the words. Repeat the words from Argus, PIK, JBG or myself. Finish it then. Provide the words. Provide these so called generic reactionary examples. Can't wait. You won't provide the words just like the person you defend can't. They don't exist. I am now calling you out. Provide the words you claim exist or admit you are a liar. This making of false allegations as to what people said, it stops now. You people either back up your allegations or rettract them. Its pathetic enough one makes the false allegations. Now we have parrots on cue chirping. Edited May 3, 2016 by Rue
GostHacked Posted May 3, 2016 Author Report Posted May 3, 2016 Really? Have you spoken to Islam lately? Do you regularly get messages from Islam? Are you going to go and tell the quarter billion Indonesians they aren't actually proper Muslims? Really have YOU talked to Islam lately?? Such a terrible way to respond, also getting off topic here....
GostHacked Posted May 3, 2016 Author Report Posted May 3, 2016 No not wrong at all. I in fact repeated verbatum exactly what your claim was, that and I quote, " all criticism (of Israel is iewd as anti-semitism.". That is what you accused. That is what you alleged. Indeed that is what I alleged. And the replies that many of you have made back up the notion. So I don't have to show you anything as you have already shown me what is what.
marcus Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 Yes, it clearly is antisemitism, with nothing but a threadbare disguise. I will continue to criticize any ideology or movement that takes away the basic human rights of people and if you or anyone else want to silence that criticism with bogus claims of racism, go for it. Considering what you stand for and the character you display on here, your opinion means very little to me. "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 So if we did provide the words. Repeat the words from Argus, PIK, JBG or myself. Settle down. One sentence would have been sufficient. You need to learn to have a little control over how you try to make a point or ask questions. No need to go into a drivel every.single.time. I am going to post one of many posts made where the antisemite card has been flashed. Here is one I just responded to from Argus: Yes, it clearly is antisemitism, with nothing but a threadbare disguise. "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Argus Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 I will continue to criticize any ideology or movement that takes away the basic human rights of people Continue? You've never started. The only ideology which has ever seemed to concern you is the one that calls for a Jewish state. Odd... that... "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 Continue? You've never started. The only ideology which has ever seemed to concern you is the one that calls for a Jewish state. Odd... that... A Jewish state ... from the river to the sea ... without the Arabs who live there? .
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) A Jewish state ... from the river to the sea ... without the Arabs who live there? . Israelis make-up an incredibly diverse population from around the globe....including Arabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel Edited May 3, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 Israelis make-up an incredibly diverse population from around the globe....including Arabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel What's Israel's quota on Arabs? Non Jewish? .
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 Two million give or take call Israel home. They didn't heed the Mufti's call, I guess. Did you think Israel was Jew-only? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 3, 2016 Author Report Posted May 3, 2016 Getting off topic here people.. thanks for the thread drift ... some people cannot stay on topic .. oh well. So come on guys let's really get this thread off the rails ... who's with me?!!!
jacee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 Two million give or take call Israel home. They didn't heed the Mufti's call, I guess. Did you think Israel was Jew-only? What is the quota? I think Israel wants a Jewish state from the river to the sea, without all the Arabs who live there. .
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 Getting off topic here people.. thanks for the thread drift ... some people cannot stay on topic .. oh well. So come on guys let's really get this thread off the rails ... who's with me?!!! What is there left to say on the subject? In my opinion, criticism of Israel is fine...as long as the history is correct...but support for Fatah/PLO/Hamas....who constitute the Palestinian Cause as such...is indeed iffy in terms of antisemitism...as they are antisemitic by their very nature. What is the quota? I think Israel wants a Jewish state from the river to the sea, without all the Arabs who live there. . I have no idea...the Arab's trouble started when they started a war that they lost. Had they won, I doubt there would be a 'Bring Back Israel Movement'...heh. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 3, 2016 Author Report Posted May 3, 2016 What is there left to say on the subject? In my opinion, criticism of Israel is fine...as long as the history is correct...but support for Fatah/PLO/Hamas....who constitute the Palestinian Cause as such...is indeed iffy in terms of antisemitism...as they are antisemitic by their very nature. Interesting because how I see it is that even if one supports the Palestinians, that does not mean they support Hamas... Next.
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 Interesting because how I see it is that even if one supports the Palestinians, that does not mean they support Hamas... Next. Palestinian is a rather relative term. In my lifetime, these same folks were Jordanian and Egyptian. Even Arafat was born in Cairo. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Getting off topic here people.. thanks for the thread drift ... some people cannot stay on topic .. oh well. So come on guys let's really get this thread off the rails ... who's with me?!!!This is the crux of the topic.We criticize Israel for oppression and attacks on Palestinians. We are called "anti-semites" who don't support Israel as a Jewish state. That's insulting and it's a propaganda tactic to derail conversation. Israel is "diverse" I'm told ... But to be a Jewish state, Israel puts a quota on the number of Arabs who can live there. If Israel wants 'from the river to the sea' ... without the millions of Arabs who live there ... it becomes clear that Israel's purpose is genocidal ... kill or otherwise get rid of the Palestinians. I'll be called antisemitic for that, but I'm just asking the questions: What is the quota for Arabs in Israel ... From the river to the sea? . Edited May 3, 2016 by jacee
Big Guy Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) There is only one group who consider criticism of Israel as Anti-semitism. From what I read here in some posts and in other pro-Zionist publications, the Zionists already consider Israel to be a Jewish state - with a few adjustments to be made. These extremists consider themselves as "God's chosen people" so any atrocity, genocide or "adjustments to the geography and/or population" to finally make this a Zionist state is God's will. When you follow God's will then the end justifies the means. Fortunately for the Palestinians, the rest of the world is still watching. Also, unfortunately for the Palestinians, the "means" of the "end justifies the means" are working. The Palestinians have now been pushed off their land and back and packed into an outdoor prison in Gaza. Fortunately, the world is losing patience and the UN is leading a growing demand for accountability from the Israeli leadership. The Zionists consider Israel to be God's chosen nation of the Jews. Of course any Zionist would consider any criticism of Israel as Anti-semitism! A radical Zionist would probably see any criticism of Israel as blasphemy and an attack on God's chosen people. You see it here. Those who believe that perhaps God works in a different way cannot understand the bizarre result of fanaticism on a receptive mind and how the extremist Zionists think. Those who think that maybe God has good plans for them too, have difficulty in understanding how they can associate criticism of Israel with Anti-semitism. I have no difficulty. We see it here. That is why I try to ignore it. Edited May 4, 2016 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) There is nothing more distracting, disturbing and irritating than somebody on an anonymous public access opinion board declaring themselves as spokespersons for Jews, or Christians, or Muslims, or ... It fascinates me that some posters take these misguided egotists seriously. But its your quarter, spend it how you want. Edited May 4, 2016 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
G Huxley Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 A non sequitur Argus is something like this: "Have you spoken to Islam lately?"How is it possible to speak to Islam? Really? Have you spoken to Islam lately? Do you regularly get messages from Islam? Are you going to go and tell the quarter billion Indonesians they aren't actually proper Muslims?
DogOnPorch Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 This is the crux of the topic. We criticize Israel for oppression and attacks on Palestinians. We are called "anti-semites" who don't support Israel as a Jewish state. That's insulting and it's a propaganda tactic to derail conversation. Israel is "diverse" I'm told ... But to be a Jewish state, Israel puts a quota on the number of Arabs who can live there. If Israel wants 'from the river to the sea' ... without the millions of Arabs who live there ... it becomes clear that Israel's purpose is genocidal ... kill or otherwise get rid of the Palestinians. I'll be called antisemitic for that, but I'm just asking the questions: What is the quota for Arabs in Israel ... From the river to the sea? . Has anybody called you an antisemite? I mean really? I haven't. As for a quota...I'm not sure what you're getting at. If Israel's purpose was genocidal, the deed would have been done decades ago....right after the Six Day War...or the Yom Kippur War (both started by the Arabs). Didn't happen. The Muslim Arab population has grown over the decades from 100s of thousands to millions. When I think genocide...I think Treblinka or Rwanda. You don't seem to understand the Arabs started this conflict with the aim of killing every Jew in the former British Mandate of Palestine. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 Continue? You've never started. The only ideology which has ever seemed to concern you is the one that calls for a Jewish state. Odd... that... If this is all you truly see, then you have a limited capacity to read and understand what people write. Either that, or you're playing the tired old antisemite card. Because instead of being on the side of truth and justice, you'd rather try to censor criticism of Israel by supporting and excusing their human rights violations against the Palestinians. "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jacee Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) Has anybody called you an antisemite? I mean really?Yes.I haven't.The post you responded to was to one who has. As for a quota...I'm not sure what you're getting at. If Israel's purpose was genocidal, the deed would have been done decades ago....right after the Six Day War...or the Yom Kippur War (both started by the Arabs). Didn't happen. The Muslim Arab population has grown over the decades from 100s of thousands to millions. When I think genocide...I think Treblinka or Rwanda. You don't seem to understand the Arabs started this conflict with the aim of killing every Jew in the former British Mandate of Palestine. 'An eye for an eye'? Is that your point? Israel is justified in committing genocide because it was threatened with same ... 60 years ago? We've gone round and round that issue. At some point history becomes irrelevant to peacemaking. At some point Israel has to be stopped from aggressively taking over Palestinian territory. If Palestinians are being aggressively forced out of their territory ... the conflict never ends because the genocide continues. 'Quota' of Arabs allowed in Israel becomes important. Boundaries of Israel become important. How can Israel be a state at all if it doesn't define boundaries? That isn't a state: It's an ever-expanding menace. From the river to the sea? Excuse me? What about the people who already live there? . Edited May 4, 2016 by jacee
DogOnPorch Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 Yes. The post you responded to was to one who has. 'An eye for an eye'? Is that your point? Israel is justified in committing genocide because it was threatened with same ... 60 years ago? We've gone round and round that issue. At some point history becomes irrelevant to peacemaking. At some point Israel has to be stopped from aggressively taking over Palestinian territory. If Palestinians are being aggressively forced out of their territory ... the conflict never ends because the genocide continues. 'Quota' of Arabs allowed in Israel becomes important. Boundaries of Israel become important. How can Israel be a state at all if it doesn't define boundaries? That isn't a state: It's an ever-expanding menace. From the river to the sea? Excuse me? What about the people who already live there? . In the apparent state of Islamic Palestine, what would be the quota of Jews? Abbas has stated NO Jews will live in his country-in-waiting. Your definition of genocide and mine are obviously different. Can you give a real world example of Israel conducting genocide? Israel is tiny. Smaller than New Jersey. Can you give and example of it's expansionist policy? Keep in mind Israel has given back more land than its current size...for peace. Quota? Do you mean just allowing Arabs to enter Israel at their whim? No country allows that for long. Ask Germany. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 4, 2016 Author Report Posted May 4, 2016 Palestinian is a rather relative term. In my lifetime, these same folks were Jordanian and Egyptian. Even Arafat was born in Cairo. Well, the notion seems to be that you can't tell them what they are and what they are not.
DogOnPorch Posted May 4, 2016 Report Posted May 4, 2016 Well, the notion seems to be that you can't tell them what they are and what they are not. They are Arabs from various clans that have little if anything to do with borders. Nationalism and the Arabs was soooo post-WW1. But, like it or not, Gaza was Egypt and the so-called West Bank was Jordan before 1967. They weren't deemed occupied. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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