Israeli War Crimes

[Scott Mayers]

I asked you if it seemed logical to you that one could hate Israel, ostensibly for human rights abuses, but want closer ties to Iran, despite worse human rights abuses by the latter.

I can't comment on Iran as we ALL are biased to indirect information sources regarding this EXCEPT for likely propaganda regardless. That is, the media in our Middle East is predominantly of and default favorable TO Israel's concerns and most likely even owned by them. I don't speak Iranian either as most do not and so we cannot DETERMINE all the 'truths' regarding this.

This is why it is good to at least take Big Guy's links to Al Jazeera (spelling?) as an alternate voice to try to measure what is or is not true. But for me, or even YOU, to simply 'trust' our media is as much dubious as to 'trust' any other source for now. That is why I focus on attending to the logic rather than the specific facts we are fed.

Seriously? You don't possesses even basic information about the state of the world around us?

Answered above. We are defaulted to FAVOR bias FOR Israel in an extreme. One of the contingent factors of this is due to Israel's interest to capitalize on media ownership for obvious reasons. So it is you I question if you simply 'trust' our news without recognizing this inevitable competition of political persuasion of media one way or the other.

As to Iran, all I HEAR is defaulted to 'evil' caricatures as expected. And to the degrees that such are expected to cartoon the extremes for political appeal of us here, there is literally INSUFFICIENT means for us to 'trust' any VALUE JUDGEMENTS against the default against the Muslims in our non-Muslim, pro-Christian, pro-Judeo, cultures.

But Israel's human rights record is much better than that of the Palestinian governments or Iran. So there's no hypocrisy on this side.

The POWER of our organs leans default bias to Israel. Palestine 'governments' or Iran, etc, are not as PRIVILEGED to non-Muslim media to an extreme degree. So to interpret Israel even given what negative news we can glean of them is more than SUFFICIENT to question Israel's 'evils'.

Take it to the nationalism topic you created. I find the theory silly and uninteresting.

Just as you can EVADE that thread optionally and do so with likely 'fear' of competing logically, I have to come here where those of you are so cowardly choosing to evade the issue rationally. Nationalism IS the problem and I believe you know it but are FAVORING the same kind of Nationalism in opposition. That is, you recognize the actual logic and are simply trying to evade it FOR your own selfish and EQUALLY discriminatory attitude against Muslims, Palestinians, etc.

I suggest you try to at least step back and look at this LOGICALLY, first. But if you don't, you are purposely doing so with intent to only draw the focus away from encouraging care and thought on the issue with fairness. My challenge is to PRESUME that you are CORRECT about your black-and-white stereotypical classifications at least for some of us to show how or why even given your perception, you cannot interpret some SUPERIOR logic FOR ISRAEL and some INFERIOR one against non-Israeli interests in the Middle East.

Edited May 14, 2016 by Scott Mayers

[kactus]

I asked you if it seemed logical to you that one could hate Israel, ostensibly for human rights abuses, but want closer ties to Iran, despite worse human rights abuses by the latter.

Seriously? You don't possesses even basic information about the state of the world around us?

And this is going from you who called Iranians 'arabs'...

Talk about being judgemental

[Scott Mayers]

Prescott Bush. Was he Jewish?

Either way, the Palestinian Cause was the creation of an SS officer on the run from the hangman's noose for his role in the Holocaust. Perhaps that will sink in one day...eh?

And, like I've proposed, National Socialism of Germany derived from the perception of what they believed was the Jewish (as to any Nationalistic exclusive cultish..) means to empowerment. That is, Nazism, can be equally interpreted as deriving FROM even the Jewish Segregated Nationalists before them.

To indicate who initially causes what regardless requires facing the fact that ALL Nationalism on ANY side ARE the cause of hate as it is the means to collectively draw the opposing and EXTREME love of their own in-group.

[GostHacked]

That's fine. I don't mind having normal conversations the way humans usually do.

Anyways...anything to add re: Israel's many apparent war crimes?

I think their biggest war crime as far as many are concerned is WINNING when the Arabs and their supporters were sure all those various times that they had a slam-dunk victory in the works against those darn Jews.

So far no luck....so these supporters whine and cry about fair play and war crimes.

Better luck next time, I guess....my only advice.

Your conversations are far from normal.

[GostHacked]

I mean there is natural flow of a conversation within the confines of a thread in which an OP would clearly lay the subject matter out, then there is purposeful derailment by a select few that call it 'dynamic'.

Let's talk about Cars .. and if someone wants to talk about trains , the car thread ain't for you.

[DogOnPorch]

So f... what!?

Israelis want to further their way to having their own impoverished judaism terror state..

No worries. I can't stop you from supporting the PLO, Hamas, et al. I just point out the origin of the Palestinian Cause is the dream of an escaped Nazi on the run for his war crimes. Otherwise, there would be no Palestinians...just Jordanians and Egyptians.

And, like I've proposed, National Socialism of Germany derived from the perception of what they believed was the Jewish (as to any Nationalistic exclusive cultish..) means to empowerment. That is, Nazism, can be equally interpreted as deriving FROM even the Jewish Segregated Nationalists before them.

To indicate who initially causes what regardless requires facing the fact that ALL Nationalism on ANY side ARE the cause of hate as it is the means to collectively draw the opposing and EXTREME love of their own in-group.

I'll give your Jews created Nazis theory all the respect it deserves.

Edited May 15, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

I'll give your Jews created Nazis theory all the respect it deserves.

Does not seem so far fetch considering how much terrorism the USA exports these days, with the help of their good friend Saudi Arabia. Maybe part of the whole Bush Legacy.

Edited May 15, 2016 by GostHacked

[DogOnPorch]

Does not seem so far fetch considering how much terrorism the USA exports these days, with the help of their good friend Saudi Arabia.

You're free to support that the Moon Landings are fake for all yours and Scott's opinions are actually worth.

He's in the Poland invaded Germany class o' 'historian'...

[GostHacked]

You're free to support that the Moon Landings are fake for all yours and Scott's opinions are actually worth.

He's in the Poland invaded Germany class o' 'historian'...

Wow, that's some fantastic conjecture on your part. Congratulations, I mean you've really outdone yourself this time. Can't wait to hear more.

[DogOnPorch]

Wow, that's some fantastic conjecture on your part. Congratulations, I mean you've really outdone yourself this time. Can't wait to hear more.

If you wish to give credence...as you did....to his theory....what else should I expect out of you? Jews control the media and government? Oh wait...there's already a thread on that.

[GostHacked]

If you wish to give credence...as you did....to his theory....what else should I expect out of you? Jews control the media and government? Oh wait...there's already a thread on that.

Amazing, you can't even follow your own flow. Hence the worthless conjecture.

[DogOnPorch]

Amazing, you can't even follow your own flow. Hence the worthless conjecture.

All I know is that you have a chip on your shoulder that I doubt was placed their by me. I think you just take it out on folks here as they are faceless caricatures to you. You spend WAY too much time worrying about what others think and do.

But that's just Dr Dog's opinion...

However, I do think I hit the nail on the head. Don't you?

Israels greatest war crime is not losing.

[GostHacked]

All I know is that you have a chip on your shoulder that I doubt was placed their by me. I think you just take it out on folks here as they are faceless caricatures to you. You spend WAY too much time worrying about what others think and do.

But that's just Dr Dog's opinion...

However, I do think I hit the nail on the head. Don't you?

Israels greatest war crime is not losing.

You are free to think whatever you want, but it most likely is wrong.

[Scott Mayers]

You're free to support that the Moon Landings are fake for all yours and Scott's opinions are actually worth.

He's in the Poland invaded Germany class o' 'historian'...

No. Please don't falsely align me with your delusions here. My point was that Nationalist loves/hates of one group derives from Nationalism love/hates of another where extremes exist. The philosophical underpinnings of German Nationalism derived from the powers of Jewish Nationalism AS WELL as any similar segregated cultures that succeed based on isolation, exclusion, and biases of those outside of one's inner circles. This "natural" function of tribal survival served its evolutionary purpose prior to "civilization". But many still deem culture/ethnicity as THEE binding force along with their genetics, which when it becomes a constitutional factor in some governing system creates 'good' things for the in group AT THE EXPENSE of all those outside. But when this is maintained, there is always a bias to FAVOR the 'legalized' ingroup at the same time as DISFAVORING any especially similarly Nationalistic group in competition with the same kind of cultish segregational beliefs.

I'm tired of extremes of these Nationalists to always take center stage to create the problems for ALL the rest of the varying peoples everywhere. And I think it is about time that the vast majority of society who gets caught in the middle of such love/hate extremes dictating our world stage gets recognized for who they are. Zionism/Israeli ideals ARE just such a form of organ creating the very opposing groups, like ISIL now. And it won't end until we defeat the rationale of Nationalism at its core.

[Scott Mayers]

Israels greatest war crime is not losing.

Yes, this CAN be a 'fair' possibility but ONLY for those accepting Nationalistic ideals non-hypocritically. If you are accept Israel's "side" simply because they are the winners in some 'natural' way, then the "sides" are just as sport teams with irrelevant value because they are just arbitrary. So if you think Israel is 'just' simply because they are the winners, then you have to accept the extremes of irrational loves-versus-hate dynamics between each of the competing groups as no more better nor worse than the other. So Israel is no different morally nor ethically than their enemies and for such Nationalists, they'd have to accept ANY arbitrary hatred against them as is any love for them too, where it exists.

In others words, nobody would be wrong for speaking against Israel even arbitrarily as those like yourself support such Nationalistic beliefs that lack anything more arbitrary than favoring one sports team simply based on preferring the color of their uniform.

[Big Guy]

The Israelis continue to kill anybody and anything they deem as a threat:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/israel-killed-25-palestinian-children-months-160514140833141.html

The world in the form of UNICEF condemns the killing yet Canada continues to deal with these war criminals.

Time for Canada to break all ties with this Israeli Zionist regime of war criminal Bibi Netanyahu!

[eyeball]

I'll give your Jews created Nazis theory all the respect it deserves.

It's no less goofy than your Nazis created Palestinians notion.

[DogOnPorch]

It's no less goofy than your Nazis created Palestinians notion.

That one is real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

No Mufti...no Palestinians. Arafat was his nephew...born in Cairo.

[eyeball]

A real pile of garbage is all.

[DogOnPorch]

A real pile of garbage is all.

You're free to deny history. The Mufti was a Nazi.

Arafat his nephew.

Mohammed Yasser Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa Al-Husseini

(full name)

Edited May 15, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[eyeball]

From your link.

'(M)erely to discuss his life is to be caught up in the Arab–Israeli propaganda war. To make an impartial assessment of the man's career—or, for that matter, an unbiased history of the Arab–Israeli dispute—is like trying to ride two bicycles at the same time.'[293]

The Mufti was in many ways a disreputable character, but post-war claims that he played any significant part in the Holocaust have never been sustained. This did not prevent the editors of the four-volume Encyclopedia of the Holocaust from giving him a starring role. The article on the Mufti is more than twice as long as the articles on Goebbels and Göring, longer than the articles on Himmler and Heydrich combined, longer than the article on Eichmann—of all the biographical articles, it is exceeded in length, but only slightly, by the entry for Hitler.'[295][296]

I'm free to dismiss your interpretation of history because its just straight up garbage. It's just figures lying and liars figuring.

[DogOnPorch]

From your link.

I'm free to dismiss your interpretation of history because its just straight up garbage. It's just figures lying and liars figuring.

The Mufti with his SS men.

[eyeball]

From your own source;

post-war claims that he played any significant part in the Holocaust have never been sustained.

[jacee]

The Mufti with his SS men.

The future Pope with his Nazis

What was your point?

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Edited May 15, 2016 by jacee

[marcus]

The future Pope with his Nazis

What was your point?

.

His point is that he wants to keep playing his Mufti game to not only blame Palestinian's for the holocaust, but to also somehow excuse Israel's continuous violations of human rights because of the holocaust and the misinformation he keeps repeating. Netanyahu was attacked in Israel for suggesting that the Mufti or the Palestinians had somehow pushed for the holocaust to happen. From politicians, to his military chief, to historians in Israel. They all spoke out against Netanyahu's claims.

But I suppose the facts are not enough for DogOnPorch. He just can't let go of his Mufti story.