Donald Trump & Justin Trudeau

[August1991]

Various English Canadian MSM journalists imply that Trudeau Jnr is akin to Obama - passing the torch (a term JFK used in reference to his birth in the 20th century, and in direct reference to Eisenhower, democracy and Berlin 1936).

IMHO, the term "bromance" as the progressives now say, so modern, cool is perhaps more accurate.

But in fact, I reckon that Trudeau Jnr is more like Donald Trump [Jnr. error] Why?

Well, for one he benefited from his family connections in the early years. Plus, given the estimated value of his father's wealth, Trump would likely have inherited 10s of millions of dollars. (Not to mention the fact that he would have had access to credit due to his father's name, which would have given him access to millions to use to invest.)

1. Trump & Trudeau Jnr, it's about the hair.

2. Trump & Trudeau Jnr, it's about the celebrity.

3. Trump & Trudeau Jnr, it's about the selfie.

3a. Trump & Trudeau Jnr, it's about a girl getting a selfie with the guy.

4. Trump & Trudeau Jnr, it's about saying honestly what he thinks.

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Now, the differences:

1. Trudeau Jnr never did anything with his inheritance, never hired anyone but a few nannies - but he is virtuous.

2. Trump built buildings, casinos, hired thousands - but he went bankrupt.

Edited March 17, 2016 by August1991

[dialamah]

More difference: Trump is about hatred, racism, division and violence. JT is just the opposite. Funny how you completely ignored the most important aspects of both politicians.

[TimG]

More difference: Trump is about hatred, racism, division and violence. JT is just the opposite.

JT preaches hatred of people who don't agree with his policies on immigration, climate change or taxes. He is no better than Trump on that front.

As for violence: I suspect this is nonsense narrative cooked up by people who dislike Trump. In today's society if violance occurs it is almost always the result of left wing activists pushing a left wing cause.

Edited March 14, 2016 by TimG

[msj]

I would have to think that Just Trudeau and Donald Trump Juniour would have some similarities since one was born in 1971 and the other in 1977.

Both were born to rich parents which has all kinds of benefits too, of course.

But I don't see Don Jr. in politics much as of yet so don't think we can make much of a comparison on that front yet.

Lets give it time to see what happens.

[BubberMiley]

JT preaches hatred of people who don't agree with his policies on immigration, climate change or taxes. He is no better than Trump on that front.

I'm shocked by this. I didn't realize. Do you have a cite of him preaching hatred? This is something that can't be taken lightly.

[TimG]

I'm shocked by this. I didn't realize. Do you have a cite of him preaching hatred? This is something that can't be taken lightly.

Trudeau and his fellow liberals are quick to label anyone who disagrees with his immmigration policies as racists. That is fomenting hatred of his political opponents. The same is true when Trudeau and his fellow liberals call people deniers when then they disagree with their policies on climate change.

A cite:

By denying climate change, he denied Canadians opportunity: the opportunity to strengthen our economy; to take advantage of the ingenuity and talent of our people; and to take the lead in the race to create new, high-tech, clean jobs.

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/real-change-a-new-plan-for-canadas-environment-and-economy/

No one on the left has any business accusing Trump of "fomenting hatred" because that is what they do all of the time.

Edited March 14, 2016 by TimG

[overthere]

The largest difference between Trump and Trudeau is pretty obvious.

It is accomplishment- both the volume and nature of accomplishment..

Both come from privileged backgrounds. Trump has taken that money and turned it into much more money and created a lot of jobs.

Trudeau hasn't done anything in that regard other than enjoy life a s trust fund kid.

On the other hand, Trudeau has managed to get himself elected a leader of a country, albeit a medium sized one.

Trump - not yet. So far all he has managed to do is stand the collective political old guard on its head, gibbering in fear of a candidate that actually speaks his mind, for what that is worth. .

[Smallc]

The largest difference between Trump and Trudeau is pretty obvious.

It is accomplishment- both the volume and nature of accomplishment..

Right - one is the leader of his respective country, and the other probably won't be.

[BubberMiley]

Trudeau and his fellow liberals are quick to label anyone who disagrees with his immmigration policies as racists. That is fomenting hatred of his political opponents. The same is true when Trudeau and his fellow liberals call people deniers when then they disagree with their policies on climate change.

A cite:

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/real-change-a-new-plan-for-canadas-environment-and-economy/

No one on the left has any business accusing Trump of "fomenting hatred" because that is what they do all of the time.

Yeah, I figured you had nothing. I would argue that isn't exactly "fomenting hatred" on the level of Donald Trump, but I would have to kill a few brain cells to even try.

[TimG]

I would argue that isn't exactly "fomenting hatred" on the level of Donald Trump

That is only because you approve of the hatred that Trudeau foments. If you set aside your personal biases there is not much difference.

[On Guard for Thee]

That is only because you approve of the hatred that Trudeau foments. If you set aside your personal biases there is not much difference.

I don't think one would have to set aside any bias to be able to detect the difference between Trump screaming at his hired thugs to "get 'em out of here" or "I'd like to punch 'em in the face" and agreeing to foot anyone's legal bills who may get arrested for following his orders/suggestions, and Trudeau suggesting we should look to new technologies as fossil fuels sink into the horizon. I suspect most would find that self evident.

[cybercoma]

Trudeau is encouraging people to hate racists? How awful.

[BubberMiley]

That is only because you approve of the hatred that Trudeau foments. If you set aside your personal biases there is not much difference.

That is only because you consider the slightest criticism of Harper as "fomenting hatred." If you set aside your personal biases, you would see there is no comparison.

[TimG]

Trudeau is encouraging people to hate racists?

No. Trudeau is calling people racist because they disagree with him. The use of the term is designed to foment hatred of his political opponents.

[cybercoma]

Let's see some examples of him saying disagreement is racism.

[TimG]

That is only because you consider the slightest criticism of Harper as "fomenting hatred."

Calling someone a racist because they don't think a niqab represents Canadian values is fomenting hatred. Calling someone a denier because they think CO2 mitigation is a waste of resources is fomenting hatred. It is possible to criticize both policies without using labels designed to foment hatred. Trudeau choose not to. Edited March 14, 2016 by TimG

[BubberMiley]

Calling someone a racist because they don't think a niqab represents Canadian values is fomenting hatred.

When did he call someone a racist? That wouldn't be another example of you taking some mild criticism and misrepresenting it as "fomenting hatred" would you? Or are you confused and mixed up Harper and Trudeau when Harper said that the nijab represents an "anti-woman culture"? Edited March 14, 2016 by BubberMiley

[TimG]

When did he call someone a racist?

Justin Trudeau is accusing the Harper government of deliberately stoking fear and prejudice against Muslim Canadians – employing the same kind of rhetoric that led to some of Canada’s most shameful displays of racism in the past.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1873375/trudeau-says-harper-government-fostering-fear-and-prejudice-against-muslims/

Fomenting hatred is fomenting hatred even if you agree with the speaker.

[cybercoma]

I don't think you understand what "fomenting hatred" means if you think pointing out prejudice is "fomenting hatred." But hey, maybe that's the new MO of the right wing blogosphere. Make up your own definitions for things until all language loses meaning.

[TimG]

I don't think you understand what "fomenting hatred" means if you think pointing out prejudice is "fomenting hatred."

In this case it is fomenting hatred because it is deliberately misrepresenting the position of their political opponents. In other situations Trudeau did make the positive argument by simply saying that freedom of religion is a more important value than standing up for equal treatment of women.

IOW - one can disagree with someone or one can try to paint one's opponents as villains. In this example Trudeau chose to paint opponents as villains. That is fomenting hatred.

[The_Squid]

In this case it is fomenting hatred because it is deliberately misrepresenting the position of their political opponents.

Shouldn't that be called "dirty tricks"? Or "falsehoods"? Maybe even "spreading lies"?

But I guess if you can't defend right wing policies/people because they really do seem to be racist, bigoted or hate filled, you have to try and make what your opponent is doing to be the equivalent, even if they are clearly nothing alike.

It's good you can't defend what Trump is saying... it's indefensible! But trying to make what the PM said in the past as somehow equivalent, is just plain silly.

[TimG]

Shouldn't that be called "dirty tricks"? Or "falsehoods"? Maybe even "spreading lies"?

What's the difference? Using language to paint your opponent as a villain is fomenting hatred. Why is that so difficult to understand? One can always disagree without resorting to such tactics.

It's good you can't defend what Trump is saying... it's indefensible! But trying to make what the PM said in the past as somehow equivalent, is just plain silly.

I despise Trump but I also find the arrogance and hypocrisy anti-Trump commentators equally distasteful. Edited March 14, 2016 by TimG

[The_Squid]

What's the difference? Using language to paint your opponent as a villain is fomenting hatred. Why is that so difficult to understand? One can always disagree without resorting to such tactics.

If we are going to have to use such liberal definitions of terms so that any dislike or political tactic can mean "fomenting hatred" then the discussion is done. You are simply creating new definitions for terms to suit your own biases.

[TimG]

If we are going to have to use such liberal definitions of terms so that any dislike or political tactic can mean "fomenting hatred" then the discussion is done.

It fits the definition of the words 'fomenting hatred' because it encourages listeners to see another group as evil. The only reason you object is you lack the objectivity to recognize the behaviors when they are used to support causes that you believe in.

[cybercoma]

If we are going to have to use such liberal definitions of terms so that any dislike or political tactic can mean "fomenting hatred" then the discussion is done. You are simply creating new definitions for terms to suit your own biases.

Justin Trudeau is literally advocating for genocide of conservatives!