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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ohrc-urges-end-skimpy-dress-codes-1.3480998

The Ontario Human Rights Commission is calling for an end to sexualized dress codes that discriminate against female and transgender workers.

Chief commissioner Renu Mandhane says employers must make sure their dress codes don't reinforce sexist stereotypes.

​Mandhane says policies requiring women to wear low-cut tops, short skirts or high heels could violate the human rights code, and they send a message than an employees' worth is tied to how they look.

In a policy position paper released Tuesday on gender-specific dress codes, the commission said women should not be expected to dress in a sexualized way to attract clients.

Kathy Laird of the Human Rights Legal Support Centre says "excellent customer service doesn't have a cup size."

Laird encourages women to call her office for legal advice "if cleavage is deemed an essential skill in their workplace.

Only in Canada this would be an issue for people.

Bars that sexualize their staff is very commonplace. People who apply for these jobs know that they're being used for their sex appeal to make money for the business. Often it makes them a lot of money.

Usually these restaurants are marketing to a specific clientele where the appearance of the waitress or bartender is a selling point.

Legislating this kind of stuff is a huge slippery slope for any profession where appearance is an important aspect employment.

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Is there a Hooters in Ontario? This could pose a problem for that particular business model.

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Is there a Hooters in Ontario? This could pose a problem for that particular business model.

Or even Strip Clubs.

Plenty of restaurants do this. I was at a Shoeless Joe's with a friend a few weeks ago and were were struck by how gorgeous the wait staff was. Not sure how that's a problem. They were tipped accordingly.

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It's crazy to compare working at a strip club to a restaurant. Why do female servers need to show cleavage or a lot of leg. They can be just as hot when they are dressed classy and not made to look like a stripper/slut.

Would a man tip less if they see less cleavage or more if they see a hot classy server?

I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou

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Would a man tip less if they see less cleavage or more if they see a hot classy server?

Perhaps.

But a waitress can choose to work at a place like the Keg or Milestones if they feel they want to dress in business casual attire.

Sports Bars who cater to mostly men may want to present a different image.

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I think they're the discussion is about restaurants where sex appeal is not supposed to be the niche. The article named places like Joey's, Earls amongst others. As the article stated many young people start their first job in the industry and that's where women are disadvantaged.

I wore a skimpy outfit when I was a young server and I didn't mind it but I remember other servers complaining and tbh they had a right.

Most of those places are couple restaurants, there is no need for it. Especially when the male servers don't have to do it.

It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands

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Most of those places are couple restaurants, there is no need for it. Especially when the male servers don't have to do it.

And if you find it a repellant behaviour you don't have to go to restaurants that do that.

Men also may not get tipped as generously as an attractive woman.

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And if you find it a repellant behaviour you don't have to go to restaurants that do that.

Men also may not get tipped as generously as an attractive woman.

It's a 'sexualized' behaviour which doesn't help society to treat women with respect but instead encourages the same old sexist issues for women.
I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou

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What are you talking about? I'd be boycotting most restaurant chains.

I am capable of finding the whole practice unnecessary and sexist and applause a little outside interference without a boycott.

It's not fair to all the young women who are not comfortable with it.

Eta - and who said repellent??

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It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands

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It's a 'sexualized' behaviour which doesn't help society to treat women with respect but instead encourages the same old sexist issues for women.

Yet we live in a country where prostitution is soon to be legal, if not already legal. I guess sexualization is only improper when the women are employees and not independent contractors.

It's fine and good to find these practices distasteful. There's a Toronto area restaurant called the Tilted Kilt. I took a woman there because it's presented as an Pub. The women were essentially in bras and short kilts with the entire mid-rift showing.

I apologized to the date as I had no idea that the wait staff dressed in such a manor. But it's my choice not to go to that place again.

I would strongly oppose any model where the government is mandating dress codes for restaurants.

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Yet we live in a country where prostitution is soon to be legal, if not already legal. I guess sexualization is only improper when the women are employees and not independent contractors.

Ouch. If this HRC gets its way I guess it will open new business opportunities for brothels running restaurants... Edited by TimG
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People make their own choices. If someone doesn't want to work at an establishment like that, then don't....but don't ruin it for those who do want to work there and the tips that go along with it.

Another liberal trying to push another law!

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Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball


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I love how the same people who would argue that people should take any job they can get will also turn around and say they should just up and leave a job without hesitation.

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I love how the same people who would argue that people should take any job they can get will also turn around and say they should just up and leave a job without hesitation.

You would have to apply to a restaurant like this in the first place though. There are many jobs that have specialized requirements based on looks or health.

Perhaps if you got a job at a Family Restaurant and out of the blue the owner said you have to wear sexy clothing, you'd have a point.

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Why d,you have to work at one of these places to complain about the ridiculous requirement that women be objectified as servers, while men servers are not? More importantly why are women dependent on tips, while men get positions in these establishments that aren't? There's all kinds of double standards at play here that's worth discussing with a little more nuance than, "just go get another job."

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Why d,you have to work at one of these places to complain about the ridiculous requirement that women be objectified as servers, while men servers are not? More importantly why are women dependent on tips, while men get positions in these establishments that aren't? There's all kinds of double standards at play here that's worth discussing with a little more nuance than, "just go get another job."

Male Bartenders and Servers can be dependent on tips as well. A group of women may be more willing to tip a good looking male as opposed to a woman regarding pay.

There are always double standards regarding gender roles. Interestingly enough, this type of double standard can be advantageous to women.

And this is not about supporting or not supporting such restaurants. People will do that on their own. But what kind of legislation can be tabled to prevent this in the same country where strip clubs and prostitution is legal.

Are HRCs just going to start fining restaurants that have dress codes that have uniforms that meet some arbitrary definition of TOO sexy? Government officials going to restaurants measuring the length of the wait staff's skirts like at a Catholic school. :lol:

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Strip clubs have different licenses than restaurants and I'm sure brothels will too. Nice red herring.

It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands

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Strip clubs have different licenses than restaurants and I'm sure brothels will too. Nice red herring.

For the naked women and Lap Dances.

But they serve food and have clothed staff that sell drinks.

Would you be OK with a restaurant having to get a license to declare that they specialize in appealing to a male clientele?

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Why d,you have to work at one of these places to complain about the ridiculous requirement that women be objectified as servers, while men servers are not? More importantly why are women dependent on tips, while men get positions in these establishments that aren't? There's all kinds of double standards at play here that's worth discussing with a little more nuance than, "just go get another job."

Men are objectified at certain jobs. They're also hired or not hired based on their looks. You don't see too many ugly or unkempt male servers either. A person - every one of us takes a job (or doesn't) that suits our looks, intelligence, personality etc.

And yes, when you apply at a job for twin Peaks or Hooters, you sorta know what is expected of your appearance. If you can't deal with that, apply at Appleby's or McDonalds (where they complain that the uniforms make them look frumpy).

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan


I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah


Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball


Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball


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Would you be OK with a restaurant having to get a license to declare that they specialize in appealing to a male clientele?

I would think places like your kilt restaurant, Hooters, strip clubs all have their place in society and should not adhere to any dress codes.

I'm talking about places listed in the article where it's completely unnecessary and merely sexist.

It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands

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My sisters like the handsome male servers...

Me too but I have yet to see a place where male servers are expected to dress nearly naked. They're always dressed in shirts and pants...

It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands

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I would think places like your kilt restaurant, Hooters, strip clubs all have their place in society and should not adhere to any dress codes.

I'm talking about places listed in the article where it's completely unnecessary and merely sexist.

But those restaurants are also not making their staff where ridiculously revealing cloth. Perhaps a Miniskirt or Exposed Cleavage. But the more important aspect is the attractiveness of the applicant.

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Me too but I have yet to see a place where male servers are expected to dress nearly naked. They're always dressed in shirts and pants...

Gender Roles, simple as that.

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