Ontario's deficit and debt-entirely the Liberal Party's fault

[Argus]

No, not because of the economy, not because of external factors, or the high Canadian dollar, or failing manufacturing or anything similar. Ontario has had huge deficits every year since the Liberals took power entirely because the Liberals have been overspending the entire time.

If they had just kept their spending increases to the level of population growth plus inflation Ontario would have a $15 billion SURPLUS this year instead of an $8 billion deficit. So says a study by the Fraser Institute, a study which should surprise almost no one who has watched the massive waste, mismanagement, incompetence, and corrupt back-scratching between the Liberals and Ontario public servants.

http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/ontario-could-have-surplus-as-high-as-15b-if-spending-had-been-restrained-fraser-institute-report-says

[PIK]

And now trudeau is going to find out the hard way how bad they have been. With the windturbine company filing a NAFTA challenged which I understand they will win and win about a billion dollars, that the feds will have to pay.

[ironstone]

Can any Liberal supporter explain how Ontario is better off after all these years of piling up massive debt?

[Topaz]

The financial minister was on CBC and announced he would say the deficit is now balanced this time next year, while being interview about the wine being sold in groceries stores.

[Shady]

This government is the most corrupt and incompetent I have ever seen. Their "generosity" and "good intentions" have actually made people's lives in Ontario worse, for years to come.

[Pete_Coach]

Can any Liberal supporter explain how Ontario is better off after all these years of piling up massive debt?

There are no admitted Liberal supporters. It amazes me that you cannot find any yet the win a majority in Ontario and federally. What magic is this??

[Argus]

The budget introduced a new 5% increase in taxes on gasoline and home heating oil, disguised as an environmentally friendly move to help the planet. The nearly $2 billion the Liberals will raise from it is to be spent not on reducing the deficit but on new spending initiatives. Because they know how to spend our money much better than we do.

What all this construction of bureaucratic infrastructure, and the squeeze on consumers’ gasoline bills, heating bills, and costs for any grocery or good shipped by truck is supposed to save in actual emissions, the government documents had nothing to say about. This is, after all, a budget, not an environmental document, and plainly the cap and trade plan is about dressing up new taxes as virtuous, green Liberal citizenship.

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/kevin-libin-ontarios-new-cap-and-trade-plan-is-a-tawdry-tax-and-spend-scheme-sold-as-a-gift-of-clean-air-for-our-children

Using energy as a cash cow is nothing new for governments. Dressing up such taxes as a carbon reduction scheme takes tax grabbing to a whole new level of moral fakery.

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/terence-corcoran-the-great-green-carbon-tax-grab

Edited February 28, 2016 by Argus

[The_Squid]

So Harper had massive deficits due to the "economic meltdown", but that had no effect in Ontario whatsoever?

This clearly shows an anti-Liberal bias in your cockamamie theory.

[GostHacked]

So Harper had massive deficits due to the "economic meltdown", but that had no effect in Ontario whatsoever?

This clearly shows an anti-Liberal bias in your cockamamie theory.

I am wondering when the remaining partisans finally wake up to the fact that they are all screwing us over.

[On Guard for Thee]

The budget introduced a new 5% increase in taxes on gasoline and home heating oil, disguised as an environmentally friendly move to help the planet. The nearly $2 billion the Liberals will raise from it is to be spent not on reducing the deficit but on new spending initiatives. Because they know how to spend our money much better than we do.

What all this construction of bureaucratic infrastructure, and the squeeze on consumers’ gasoline bills, heating bills, and costs for any grocery or good shipped by truck is supposed to save in actual emissions, the government documents had nothing to say about. This is, after all, a budget, not an environmental document, and plainly the cap and trade plan is about dressing up new taxes as virtuous, green Liberal citizenship.

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/kevin-libin-ontarios-new-cap-and-trade-plan-is-a-tawdry-tax-and-spend-scheme-sold-as-a-gift-of-clean-air-for-our-children

Using energy as a cash cow is nothing new for governments. Dressing up such taxes as a carbon reduction scheme takes tax grabbing to a whole new level of moral fakery.

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/terence-corcoran-the-great-green-carbon-tax-grab

You better have a chat with your conservative buddies in Ontario then. Their leader Patrick Brown is jumping up and down cautioning the Liberals they better not use this money for deficit reduction but only to combat climate change. You seem to be arguing the reverse. Do I detect mixed messages here?

[Smallc]

Argus only knows that he hates Liberals. The why doesn't matter.

[poochy]

You better have a chat with your conservative buddies in Ontario then. Their leader Patrick Brown is jumping up and down cautioning the Liberals they better not use this money for deficit reduction but only to combat climate change. You seem to be arguing the reverse. Do I detect mixed messages here?

The argument, as you are no doubt well aware, is that the new taxes will not affect climate change and therefore should not exist, unless of course the reason for them is a lie, which we all know it is, but go ahead, keep playing your little games.

[On Guard for Thee]

The argument, as you are no doubt well aware, is that the new taxes will not affect climate change and therefore should not exist, unless of course the reason for them is a lie, which we all know it is, but go ahead, keep playing your little games.

Perhaps you should make yourself aware of the successes of the BC carbon tax before you make unfounded assumptions.

[Smallc]

The argument, as you are no doubt well aware, is that the new taxes will not affect climate change and therefore should not exist, unless of course the reason for them is a lie, which we all know it is, but go ahead, keep playing your little games.

During peak times, Uber (and a million other business) raise prices. This ensure that less people buy a product, so that it's still available for those willing to pay for it.

Same deal.

[Argus]

So Harper had massive deficits due to the "economic meltdown", but that had no effect in Ontario whatsoever?

This clearly shows an anti-Liberal bias in your cockamamie theory.

I guess it was too much to ask for you to actually read the OP, eh?

[Argus]

You better have a chat with your conservative buddies in Ontario then. Their leader Patrick Brown is jumping up and down cautioning the Liberals they better not use this money for deficit reduction but only to combat climate change. You seem to be arguing the reverse. Do I detect mixed messages here?

I am not a member of the Conservative Party. As such, and unlike the fanatical ideologues on the other side of the political fence, I feel no particular reason to defend what they say, or even your interpretation of what they say.

[Argus]

Argus only knows that he hates Liberals. The why doesn't matter.

Smallc only knows that the sun rises and sets on Just in Trudeau, and just the sight of his name makes him swoon like a little girl with her first crush.

[On Guard for Thee]

I am not a member of the Conservative Party. As such, and unlike the fanatical ideologues on the other side of the political fence, I feel no particular reason to defend what they say, or even your interpretation of what they say.

You aren't responsible to defend it, but might be good to be aware of it.

[Argus]

During peak times, Uber (and a million other business) raise prices. This ensure that less people buy a product, so that it's still available for those willing to pay for it.

Same deal.

Your statement has nothing to do with anything anyone else is talking about.

[Smallc]

Smallc only knows that the sun rises and sets on Just in Trudeau, and just the sight of his name makes him swoon like a little girl with her first crush.

Just today I defended Harper on this website. We're not all so partisan and closed minded.

[Argus]

You aren't responsible to defend it, but might be good to be aware of it.

Why? I imagine what he said was that if you're going to tax Ontarions another two billion dollars and pretend its for 'climate change' the money ought to be actually be spent on that.

[Smallc]

Your statement has nothing to do with anything anyone else is talking about.

If you price carbon higher, it becomes more expensive, and it will change people's spending habits. Trust me.

[Argus]

Just today I defended Harper on this website. We're not all so partisan and closed minded.

Have you been a shrill Liberal partisan for quite some time now.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

If you price carbon higher, it becomes more expensive, and it will change people's spending habits. Trust me.

Even the lefties say that the amount of this tax is not enough to change people's habits. As was pointed out in the cite, people use their car to go places they need to get to. They're not going to change that for an extra five cents a liter.

That's why the lefties suggest it will eventually be raised to over 40 cents.

[On Guard for Thee]

Why? I imagine what he said was that if you're going to tax Ontarions another two billion dollars and pretend its for 'climate change' the money ought to be actually be spent on that.

So in other words you want to criticize them for doing what they say they will do. Gotcha.