Changes coming to immigration language rules.

[PIK]

Just heard on the radio that the liberals are getting rid of the policy that immigrants need to know some french or english. McCullum said that someone bringing in family members like a grandmother should not have to speak one of the languages. Now it seems the liberals are lying again. In harper's policy anyone over 55 is exempt. So it seems this is political, all the immigrant will need to know is how to put a X beside a liberals names in a election. The amount of lies being told by this group is astonishing. I will put up a link when it comes available.

[Moonlight Graham]

Ya we need a link please.

[GostHacked]

Welcome to Canada, learn English and/or French. Don't wanna learn? Then Canada might not be for you. I mean what is that really worth to someone?

[capricorn]

I saw something on Ontario Newswatch on this topic. But I will wait for McCallum to flesh out the changes he proposes before forming an opinion as to whether this is a good or bad idea. He said details are coming in the next few days.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/02/10/liberals-create-national-language-barrier

[The_Squid]

Neither of my parents knew a word of English before coming to Canada. Productive citizens for the 40+ years... construction worker, janitor, farmers... I don't see the big deal. People learn quickly.

[On Guard for Thee]

Just heard on the radio that the liberals are getting rid of the policy that immigrants need to know some french or english. McCullum said that someone bringing in family members like a grandmother should not have to speak one of the languages. Now it seems the liberals are lying again. In harper's policy anyone over 55 is exempt. So it seems this is political, all the immigrant will need to know is how to put a X beside a liberals names in a election. The amount of lies being told by this group is astonishing. I will put up a link when it comes available.

Don't worry, there are apparently a lot of Canadians already here who know how to put an X beside a Liberal candidates name.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Those group of immigrants who are taken for their skills or money should know one of the official languages but not family class. Immigration policies should change though. Reduce the number to 150,000 especially at this time of slow economic growth, and increase the points for adaptability significantly which likely means more Europeans and less from third world or those from third world who are adopted with western values like believing in total equality, respect for women and human rights and who are open minded.

Edited February 12, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[waldo]

Now it seems the liberals are lying again. The amount of lies being told by this group is astonishing. I will put up a link when it comes available.

the broadest of lying lies charged... with no details/substantiation provided? No citation provided! No identification who "McCullum" (sic) is... improper reference to 'small l' liberals...

"In harper's policy anyone over 55 is exempt" ... why sir, this is incorrect; however, I will choose not to label this a lying lie! Prior to the recent Harper Conservative Bill C-24, the age range was 18-to-54. Harper's bill pushed that range outward on both ends to ages 14-to-64.

this... this... is what passes for a MLW OP now?

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[jacee]

Welcome to Canada, learn English and/or French. Don't wanna learn? Then Canada might not be for you. I mean what is that really worth to someone?

Learning French or English when they're here isn't the issue.

It's knowing some of it before they come here that's being questioned.

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[scribblet]

Learning French or English when they're here isn't the issue.

It's knowing some of it before they come here that's being questioned.

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I thought it was about the Liberals doing away with the language requirement (adequate knowledge) for citizenship. Eliminating any language requirement at all would result in an under class of citizens, it's worked well now for some time, it should not be changed.

Edited February 12, 2016 by scribblet

[BC_chick]

Neither of my parents knew a word of English before coming to Canada. Productive citizens for the 40+ years... construction worker, janitor, farmers... I don't see the big deal. People learn quickly.

That's a good point, I hadn't considered it.

[Argus]

Neither of my parents knew a word of English before coming to Canada. Productive citizens for the 40+ years... construction worker, janitor, farmers... I don't see the big deal. People learn quickly.

Then they can learn before coming here.

[Argus]

I thought it was about the Liberals doing away with the language requirement (adequate knowledge) for citizenship. Eliminating any language requirement at all would result in an under class of citizens, it's worked well now for some time, it should not be changed.

We've already effectively got an underclass of citizens. Chances are whoever is the janitor wherever you work is an immigrant. Taxi drivers are almost all immigrants. Store clerks at convenience stores, lower end security guards, etc., tend to be immigrants. Every public housing project where I live is full of immigrants/refugees. This change, if true, would simply mean more of them.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

the broadest of lying lies charged... with no details/substantiation provided? No citation provided! No identification who "McCullum" (sic) is... improper reference to 'small l' liberals...

"In harper's policy anyone over 55 is exempt" ... why sir, this is incorrect; however, I will choose not to label this a lying lie! Prior to the recent Harper Conservative Bill C-24, the age range was 18-to-54. Harper's bill pushed that range outward on both ends to ages 14-to-64.

this... this... is what passes for a MLW OP now?

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All that bluster just means that, pretty much as the OP suggested, seniors don't have to learn our language now anyway.

[BC_chick]

Then they can learn before coming here.

As someone who learned a third language as an adult, I can attest that I learned more language skills in 1 month when I left and immersed myself within the culture than I learned the previous 2 years of academic learning.

It's good to have the basics, but you don't ever really learn a language until you are fully immersed.

[Argus]

As someone who learned a third language as an adult, I can attest that I learned more language skills in 1 month when I left and immersed myself within the culture than I learned the previous 2 years of academic learning.

It's good to have the basics, but you don't ever really learn a language until you are fully immersed.

All I know is we already have a problem with the economic success of immigrants. It's been going downhill steadily for the last twenty years according to every study I've seen. The lack of language skills is, according to a several studies, one of the biggest problems. How is lowering the language requirements going to do anything other than exasperate that situation?

[TimG]

It's good to have the basics, but you don't ever really learn a language until you are fully immersed.

I have to agree with this. I spent 2 years studying a language and had good vocabulary but I could not put together a coherent sentence until I actually spent a few months in the country in question.

That said, we can afford to be choosy when it comes to immigrants and see no reason to relax the language requirement.

[scribblet]

If you get right down to the nub of the matter... they are flooding the country with refugees whom they will fast track to citizenship so they can vote Liberal... couple this with their promise to gerry mander the electoral system in their favour and what have you got... It's all about getting the vote, next thing they will reduce the voting age to maybe 16.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2016/02/08/mccallum-promises-radical-changes-to-citizenship-act/45180?mcl=&muid=
Liberal MPs told The Hill Times that although they want new immigrants to acquire proficiency in both or at least one of the two official languages of Canada, it’s also a question of fairness, saying the language requirements disenfranchise new immigrants from their right to take part in the political process.

[Topaz]

Shouldn't these people be given the same kind of treatment as a MP that doesn't know French or English??? The kids coming into this country will probably learn French/English at school.

[On Guard for Thee]

All I know is we already have a problem with the economic success of immigrants. It's been going downhill steadily for the last twenty years according to every study I've seen. The lack of language skills is, according to a several studies, one of the biggest problems. How is lowering the language requirements going to do anything other than exasperate that situation?

Sorry to burst your bubble, again.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/for-canada-immigration-is-a-key-to-prosperity/article14711281/

[scribblet]

All I know is we already have a problem with the economic success of immigrants. It's been going downhill steadily for the last twenty years according to every study I've seen. The lack of language skills is, according to a several studies, one of the biggest problems. How is lowering the language requirements going to do anything other than exasperate that situation?

Right... English or French language skills generally result in better paying jobs, poor language skills limits uccess. Manitoba http://www.immigratemanitoba.com/speaking-of-success-1/

When it comes to determining the degree of success a newcomer will enjoy in Canada, nothing trumps language.

http://www.canadaboundimmigrant.com/breakingnews/article.php?id=720

[Argus]

Shouldn't these people be given the same kind of treatment as a MP that doesn't know French or English??? The kids coming into this country will probably learn French/English at school.

Which means I have to pay extra for their ESL classes, right?

[Argus]

Sorry to burst your bubble, again.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/for-canada-immigration-is-a-key-to-prosperity/article14711281/

Congratulations on finding a typical pro-immigration puff piece which, as usual, uses selectively interpreted statistics to pretend immigration is in some way helpful to Canada. It flies in the face of all the published studies by virtually everyone.

Perhaps you can instead try some logic to explain how someone looking for a job here is better off not understanding English.

http://global-economics.ca/empin_immigrant_region.htm

Today's newcomers, despite being highly educated, take longer to become self-supporting than their predecessors. Some never do. What is even more worrisome is that their children are dropping out of school, creating an intergenerational cycle of poverty.

"They're pulling the economy down," Drummond said. "I don't think people have really understood that."

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/2007/07/25/immigrant_dream_turning_sour.html

Thirty-five per cent of foreign-born residents in the survey were unable to handle everyday literacy tasks; this rises to 42 per cent when adults from the U.S. and British Isles are excluded.

http://www.nald.ca/library/research/brokword/page22.htm

Edited February 13, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

Stats Canada says immigrant literacy levels are well below that of the Canadian born population, and that literacy is a key determinant of economic success. In other words, it doesn't matter if you have a masters degree in gephysics if you can't communicate with your colleagues. Nobody will hire you and you'll wind up pushing a broom or waiting on tables, if you're lucky.

Immigrants arriving in Canada in recent years are more educated than were immigrants who arrived in the past and are twice as likely as the Canadian-born population to have a university education. However, the evidence shows that despite having high levels of education, the economic performance of immigrants relative to the Canadian-born population has deteriorated. Many immigrants find it difficult to secure well-paying jobs and their earnings tend to be well below those of the Canadian-born population.

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Immigrants aged 16 to 65 performed significantly below the average for the Canadian- born population in all four domains. The average prose literacy score for the Canadian-born population corresponded to Level 3 proficiency, while for recent immigrants the average score was at Level 2. Differences in performance between Canadian-born and recent as well as established immigrants were largest for prose literacy and smallest for numeracy.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-004-x/2005005/9112-eng.htm

Edited February 13, 2016 by Argus

[On Guard for Thee]

Congratulations on finding a typical pro-immigration puff piece which, as usual, uses selectively interpreted statistics to pretend immigration is in some way helpful to Canada. It flies in the face of all the published studies by virtually everyone.

Perhaps you can instead try some logic to explain how someone looking for a job here is better off not understanding English.

http://global-economics.ca/empin_immigrant_region.htm

Today's newcomers, despite being highly educated, take longer to become self-supporting than their predecessors. Some never do. What is even more worrisome is that their children are dropping out of school, creating an intergenerational cycle of poverty.

"They're pulling the economy down," Drummond said. "I don't think people have really understood that."

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/2007/07/25/immigrant_dream_turning_sour.html

Thirty-five per cent of foreign-born residents in the survey were unable to handle everyday literacy tasks; this rises to 42 per cent when adults from the U.S. and British Isles are excluded.

http://www.nald.ca/library/research/brokword/page22.htm

So you think the OECD is fluff then, or you just didn't bother to open the link inside the link?