Sweden and Finland kicking out thousands of Refugees.

[eyeball]

Sanction the hell out of countries who are abysmal at human rights. And yes, JT should do more and maybe he will but I think the SA deal is a done deal,

We do have a list of conditions that a country has to meet before we will sell them arms etc including that they can't use them on their citizens. It seems weird that the SA deal went through on these conditions.

It seems really criminal to me. We're worse, because we should know better, than any of the arms dealers we like to demonize when talking about terrorist networks and the evil they contribute to.

[WestCoastRunner]

On a positive note, Greece footballers staged a sit in protest prior to the start of the game, highlighting the death toll of migrants trying to reach their shores, especially the hundreds of children drowning.

[scribblet]

The thing is, most of these male migrants invading Europe are not genuine refugees and, they are not claiming asylum in the first safe country, they are forcing their way through to the countries with the best benefits. They should be expelled.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/most-fleeing-to-europe-are-not-refugees-eu-official-says-1.2511133

A judge this time is saying that the Calais migrants stranded in Calais are not refugees in ANY SENSE

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/639362/migrants-calais-refugees-sense-immigration

[Hal 9000]

I ought to have added "but not over the speed limit". My bad.

Still wouldn't matter. You end up in a ditch and it is legally "entirely your fault". Who else would be at fault?

It's just a poor example, try to give a better one next time.

[kimmy]

The other thing that I think should be pointed out is that the people being kicked out of Sweden aren't "refugees", they are asylum-seekers whose applications have been rejected.

"Asylum seekers" might be Syrians, but they can also be from anywhere else.

Asylum requests from Syrians are likely to be accepted. But asylum seekers from other places are less likely to be accepted.

I don't have any numbers for Sweden, but this article about Germany points out that large numbers of men from Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia are traveling to Germany to seek asylum, and over 97% of them are rejected... Moroccans, Algerians, and Tunisians aren't fleeing from wars or famines or disasters. Most of these guys aren't real refugees, they're just abusing the process because they think the streets are paved with gold in Germany. In Germany's case getting rejected asylum seekers to go back home has become a major issue. As it stands, Germany ends up stuck with these guys even if their asylum claims are rejected.

The people being kicked out of Sweden are, likewise, not refugees. They're people whose requests for asylum have been rejected. They're people who aren't really refugees and no longer have a legal reason to stay in Sweden.

-k

[ironstone]

It's a stupid consequence of having ignored the very wise warnings to not turn the ME into a failed region with really stupid foreign policies nearly 15 years ago. This refugee problem was inevitable and Europe has no one to blame but itself for either ignoring it, contributing to its causes or not standing in the way of countries and allies that did cause it.

The fact Europe will have to turn itself into a monster to deal with this consequence will probably be our problem to solve...just one more thing on an already overloaded plate. Boy nothing like approaching the Bottleneck with all our ducks scattered here there and everywhere. It's a clusterduck!

Do you place any blame at all on the Muslim world for the problems in the Middle East or is it entirely the fault of the West?

[eyeball]

Do you place any blame at all on the Muslim world for the problems in the Middle East?

Yes I do.

or is it entirely the fault of the West

No.

How much blame do you accept for what we've done? I've seen the odd twinge of regret from a few of the characters around here but I've never seen any kind of meaningful sign of regret or acknowledgement in the statements that our politicians or governments make have you?

There's nary a whiff of willingness to concede or reconcile anything coming from our side.

[scribblet]

Austria is now capping it's intake at 80 per day in defiance of EU. I'm surprised that this has taken so long.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/12165651/Austria-caps-refugee-intake-at-80-per-day-in-defiance-of-EU.html

Meanwhile as France moves to take down the jungle camp of Calais there's a possibility that the migrants are setting their sights on the port of Zeebrugge as a means of getting into the U.K. via the ferry to Hull. ( lucky Hull) where another dangerous jungle camp could spring up. Calais is dangerous as migrants assault lorrys and even a school bus which has me wondering why France et al countries do not defy the EU.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/645699/Zeebrugge-migrants-Belgium-Calais-France-Britain