Donald vs Hillary

Wilber · October 25, 2016

Well, it ain't a game and come Nov 9 they will be stuck with one of those two for the next four years. So they better figure it out or those that did vote will be telling them which one it will be.

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2016

Meh...the Americans will just choose a president, just as they always have. No big deal.

msj · October 25, 2016

Nice 42 page paper arguing about the effect of Clinton winning the first debate on various markets/currencies.

Makes a good point about why should Mexicans/Koreans/Canadians care.

Because we have free trade with the US and Trump is a threat to our way of life.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/what-do-financial-markets-think-of-the-2016-election_102016_wolferszitzewitz.pdf

Could just be noise rather than signal, and in the long run it likely won't matter to the markets who wins, but there it is.

Edited October 25, 2016 by msj

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2016

29 minutes ago, msj said:

....Could just be noise rather than signal, and in the long run it likely won't matter to the markets who wins, but there it is.

"Our way of life" ???? That's a strong vote for continuing American foreign policy, interventions, and domestic policy.

Is just noise (because Clinton is a neoconservative Republican lite).... Canada (and Mexico) make domestic decisions that have far more impact and influence (e.g. pipelines). Projecting to the significance of another American election is just another excuse. The EU is doing the same thing with Brexit....and Trump.

Edited October 25, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

msj · October 25, 2016

No it's a vote for free trade.

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2016

Just now, msj said:

No it's a vote for free trade.

But it is "free trade" that has contributed to the unraveling of Canadian labour's cherished backstops, especially those provided by foreign capital. Softwood lumber is back on the "free trade" ropes, and Obama said "NO!" to Keystone XL. Sounds like a garden variety case of loving the devil Canada knows vs. one that Canada does not know.

Market predictions based on U.S. political outcomes is fraught with contradictions. It is easy for such prognosticators to invoke the uncertainty card at anytime, regardless of an election. I watch them do this every weekday on Bloomberg TV.

msj · October 25, 2016

Democracy is always about loving the devil you know. BFD.

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2016

13 minutes ago, msj said:

Democracy is always about loving the devil you know. BFD.

Canada doesn't get to vote on this last time I checked. Historically, Canada has fared better with Republican outcomes.

The U.S. will likely enter a recession sometime in 2017 no matter who is elected president.

msj · October 25, 2016

Yeah which is why I can only watch and hope Americans do the right thing for themselves and for Canadians.

As for Republicans being better for Canadians - I'll wait for a credible cite on that score.

And predicting another recession are we? Again?

You're starting to sound like Marc Fabre and Peter Schiff.

I guess predict them long enough and you'll be right someday....

You do realize that a recession will matter little if it happens after the election?

I mean, sure, in another two years there will be some house, senate, governor elections but Hillary will be stacking the SCOTUS with abortionists and it will all be "automatic." :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2016

5 minutes ago, msj said:

Yeah which is why I can only watch and hope Americans do the right thing for themselves and for Canadians.

OK...hope it works out for Canada either way. I have no idea what it feels like to wonder how a foreign election will impact my "way of life"....just can't relate to it.

Free traders should fear more protectionism from a Democrat (e.g. "Buy American", Keystone XL pipeline, climate change policies, etc.).

Argus · October 25, 2016

22 hours ago, taxme said:

Pretty much. According to many websites the Zionists have just about taken over the world.

So you think Trump is lying when he talks about his love of Israel? He has a Jewish son in law, you know.

Argus · October 25, 2016

On 10/24/2016 at 7:59 PM, GostHacked said:

But can we convince you that Clinton is lying through her teeth?

About what? All politicians lie - sort of. Usually they don't tell bald-faced lies twenty times a day like Trump does, though. All the independent assessments seem to be saying Clinton is far more honest than Trump.

Edited October 26, 2016 by Argus

?Impact · October 25, 2016

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada has fared better with Republican outcomes.

You keep saying that, but do you have any empirical evidence to base it on? Certainly during the past 40 years the opposite seems to have been the case.

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2016

11 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

You keep saying that, but do you have any empirical evidence to base it on? Certainly during the past 40 years the opposite seems to have been the case.

Depends on what we define as better. This piece and analysis repeats the commonly held Canadian belief despite empirical evidence, not just what I say:

https://www.opencanada.org/features/which-party-is-better-for-canada/

Note that the election includes the U.S. House and Senate, state offices, and even local offices, not just the president.

Edited October 25, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

GostHacked · October 25, 2016

5 hours ago, Argus said:

About what? All politicians lie - sort of. Usually they'd tell bald-faced lies twenty times a day like Trump does, though. All the independent assessments seem to be saying Clinton is far more honest than Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/

There was no sniper fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI 13 minutes of her lies ... not like you would believe her own lies.

She was against gay marriage, then she says she is FOR it and lies that she did not say she was not against it.

She blamed homebuyers and not the banks for the 2008 crash. Which is interesting since it was her hubby that cancelled the Glass-Steagal act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_legislation

Quote

Separately, starting in the 1980s Congress debated bills to repeal Glass–Steagall's affiliation provisions (Sections 20 and 32). In 1999 Congress passed the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999,[22] to repeal them. Eight days later, President Bill Clinton signed it into law.

Also to note that most of the sources for the lies are from the likes of CNN Fox, CBS, ect ..... so no tin foil hat sites there.

Edited October 25, 2016 by GostHacked

cybercoma · October 26, 2016

Glenn Beck thinks Trump is a sociopath.

VIDEO LINK

Edited October 26, 2016 by Michael Hardner
added video link

Bonam · October 26, 2016

People care what Glenn Beck thinks?

cybercoma · October 26, 2016

I sure as hell don't, but it's funny to see him point out the obvious.

Wilber · October 26, 2016

I watched part of that last night. It was a good interview and I came away with a different view of Beck. He used to be someone I couldn't abide but came across as someone who is quite introspective and willing to admit when he has been wrong on issues and things he has said about people.

taxme · October 26, 2016

On 10/24/2016 at 5:50 PM, kimmy said:

Ok. A KKK Grand Wizard, a Holocaust-denier crazy street preacher... I'll get on that. Any other sources you want me to check out? Rense.com? Alex Jones? Stormfront?

-k

A closed mind, what a sad state of affairs.

taxme · October 26, 2016

On 10/24/2016 at 5:42 PM, Wilber said:

Ya, those kids in the Teen USA Pageant were obviously lying members of the corporate controlled zionist fake media.

The lying fake zionist media has a lot of fools listening to and believing their bull. You know what the sad thing is about the majority of the sheeple? They are unable to think for themselves anymore. They let the fake zionist media do it for them.

Charles Anthony · October 26, 2016

Folks,

Please avoid feeding thread drift.

cybercoma · October 26, 2016

What thread drift? Every post on this page is about Donald or Hillary.

Argus · October 26, 2016

11 hours ago, taxme said:

The lying fake zionist media

Fake zionist media? Does that mean they're only pretending to be zionists?

Is Trump pretending to be a Zionist when he proclaims his love of Israel and lets his pure Aryan daughter marry a Jew?

Argus · October 26, 2016

Even when Trump doesn't provide us with laughs and giggles you can count on one of his loony supporters to do so. Today it's Newt Gingrich accusing FOX's Megyn Kelly of being obsessed with sex. See, it was fine to focus the entire Republican campaign on Bill Clinton's adultery and alleged harassment, but now the evil media are actually covering TRUMPs adultery and sexual harassment! How unfair is that! Kelly asked him about the allegations but all Gingrich wanted to talk about was Bill Clinton's sex life, and when she wouldn't buy it he got upset.

Worth noting that Gingrich, like all of Trump and almost all his male supporters, is an adulterer who used his position and power to obtain sex from younger women, and then dumped his wife.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/you-are-fascinated-with-sex-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-one-for-the-ages