Donald vs Hillary

The_Squid · October 21, 2016

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

Good, send them back. Works for me.

You don't even know who any of them are..... :rolleyes:

October 21, 2016

Even if one could get past the lying, the cheating, the stealing, the fraud, the racism, misogyny, man-baby temper, third grade sentence structure, classless personality, flip flopping on every issue, vulgar speech and sexual predation, the few policy details Trump has put forth are effn' ridiculous.

betsy · October 21, 2016

LA Times Poll: Trump Takes Half a Point Lead over Clinton

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/20/la-times-poll-trump-takes-half-point-lead-clinton/

Hillary 47% - Trump 43%

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Thursday, October 20, 2016

It’s too early to measure the impact of last night’s final presidential debate, but Republican Donald Trump now has a three-point lead nationally on Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct20

cybercoma · October 21, 2016

8 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

If any woman chooses to not vote Trump because of that comment, it should be embarrassing for them. It only serves to show their immaturity and hypocrisy.

Yes. Foolish, women! You should vote how this man tells you to.

cybercoma · October 21, 2016

1 hour ago, betsy said:

LA Times Poll: Trump Takes Half a Point Lead over Clinton

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/20/la-times-poll-trump-takes-half-point-lead-clinton/

Hillary 47% - Trump 43%

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Thursday, October 20, 2016

It’s too early to measure the impact of last night’s final presidential debate, but Republican Donald Trump now has a three-point lead nationally on Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct20

The polls-only forecast at FiveThirtyEight has a Trump victory leaving the realm of possibility, that is the margin of errors are close to separating. FiveThirtyEight is the single most accurate predictor of the election results because it's an aggregate of all the national polling.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

You can keep deluding yourself all you want; I don't particularly care. But, you might want to stop embarrassing yourself. I wouldn't want you to abandon the forum on November 9th like Shady did after the last election.

October 21, 2016

Just now, cybercoma said:

Yes. Foolish, women! You should vote how this man tells you to.

Unfortunately, that is the reality of the culture for many of those who would support Trump.

Argus · October 21, 2016

21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Gore lost when he didn't even win his home state. But he still refused to concede the election after Florida recounts were done.

There was no recount. It was stopped by the supreme court.

Argus · October 21, 2016

17 hours ago, ?Impact said:

I'm not sure how much of Syria is hers but yes she has to wear Libya.

Foreign policy is not made by the Secretary of State, it is made by the President, and carried out by the Secretary and her department.

Now they might advise him on what that policy should be, but he doesn't have to, and obviously don't always go along with their opinion.

bush_cheney2004 · October 21, 2016

2 hours ago, Argus said:

There was no recount. It was stopped by the supreme court.

False....I don't think you understand how/when mandatory recounts are required in elections.

betsy · October 21, 2016

On 10/19/2016 at 5:13 PM, Melanie_ said:

Nice attempt to spin it, Betsy, but you are way off base. Those were questions that were anticipated to come up during a general election; the party strategists were testing them to see how many voters would see these points as valid.

http://www.channel4000.com/nation/politics/hacked-email-dems-polled-about-obamas-fathers-muslim-faith/118582303

:lol:

You still don't believe? Here.....digest this!

Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.

Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.

The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.

The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

Don't be gullible. You're the one who's getting spinned! Of course they'll do damage control by putting a spin on it. That article above just shows they were lying to you!

Just think what they've said about Catholics, Southerners, and Needy Latinos. Oh, don't forget the basket of deplorables, and the irredeemables. That's how they are.

That's what they think of Muslims!

Oh, Melanie....just in case you think that's a smear against Hillary. Read this too:

Barack Obama has accused Hillary Clinton of using "shameful" smear tactics after a picture of him wearing tribal robes and headgear in a Muslim region of Kenya was circulated on the internet.

Mrs Clinton's campaign team declined to deny that it had sent the photo to Drudge, whose report said the campaign was responsible for circulating the email.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1579833/Barack-Obama-tribal-photo-sent-to-Drudge-Report-by-Hillary-Clinton-staff.html

Edited October 21, 2016 by betsy

BubberMiley · October 21, 2016

The deplorables comment was clearly one of the most truthful things said in this election.

Rue · October 21, 2016

16 hours ago, Slick said:

Even if one could get past the lying, the cheating, the stealing, the fraud, the racism, misogyny, man-baby temper, third grade sentence structure, classless personality, flip flopping on every issue, vulgar speech and sexual predation, the few policy details Trump has put forth are effn' ridiculous.

I was surprised how inarticulate he was over his economic policies. Then again why? He's a real estate agent. He inflates value for a living and flips bankruptcies and engages in pyramid sales of his brand names.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Rue

Rue · October 21, 2016

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

False....I don't think you understand how/when mandatory recounts are required in elections.

You are correct. Recounts are not optional. They are mandated. They must be done under specifically enunciated circumstances, and I believe in Florida those circumstances were dictated by how close the margin was but the court did intervene. However they recount was upheld. Excuse me for quoting wikepedia but why not:

"Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000), is the United States Supreme Court decision that resolved the dispute surrounding the 2000 presidential election. On December 9 (three days earlier), the Court had preliminarily halted the Florida recount that was occurring. Eight days earlier, the Court unanimously decided the closely related case of Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, 531 U.S. 70 (2000).

In a per curiam decision, the Court ruled that there was an Equal Protection Clause violation in using different standards of counting in different counties and ruled that no alternative method could be established within the time limit set by Title 3 of the United States Code (3 U.S.C.), § 5 ("Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors"), which was December 12.^[1] The vote regarding the Equal Protection Clause was 7–2, and regarding the lack of an alternative method was 5–4.^[2] Three concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.

The decision allowed Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris's previous certification of George W. Bush as the winner of Florida's 25 electoral votes to stand. Florida's votes gave Bush, the Republican candidate, 271 electoral votes, one more than the required 270 electoral votes to win the Electoral College and defeat Democratic candidate Al Gore, who received 266 electoral votes (a District of Columbia elector abstained). Media organizations subsequently analyzed the ballots, and under the strategy that Al Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida recount — filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties — Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted by the consortium. The study also found that a statewide tally that did not reject ballots containing overvotes (where a voter hole-punches multiple candidates but writes out the name of their intended candidate) would have resulted in Gore emerging as the victor by between 60 and 171 votes."

That said the fact is it was the closest margin in history in the US and the state officials had the appearance of being bias in Bush's favour since they were Republican and maybe we will never know what really happened but the point is George Bush Sr., John McCain, Gore, all acted with grace and decorum when they lost. Trump is acting just as expected, as a spoiled brat who thinks he is bigger than the nation itself and at this point by jamming his head so far up his buttox maybe that is true.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Rue

cybercoma · October 21, 2016

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

False....I don't think you understand how/when mandatory recounts are required in elections.

He's absolutely right. The recount was not completed since there was a stay put on it on Dec. 9. So no. There was no recount.

?Impact · October 21, 2016

We should remember that in Florida they used punch cards in some counties, and I believe there was a recount using the machines but the issue was about a manual recount. The punch cards didn't work so well as there could be 'chad' left, where the whole was punched but left hanging and not properly tabulated by the machine. After the 2000 election, punch cards were eliminated.

BubberMiley · October 21, 2016

3 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

He's absolutely right. The recount was not completed since there was a stay put on it on Dec. 9. So no. There was no recount.

Sometimes Canadian politics are so absorbing, one forgets what happened in the U.S.

bush_cheney2004 · October 21, 2016

Whether it is the year 2000 or the year 2016, American elections will always be of great interest to many Canadians. The opposite is not true.

Wilber · October 21, 2016

It was a bad decision not to allow the recount. No matter who finally won, this wouldn't still be an issue 16 years later.

cybercoma · October 21, 2016

15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Whether it is the year 2000 or the year 2016, American elections will always be of great interest to many Canadians. The opposite is not true.

42,817 posts say otherwise.

?Impact · October 21, 2016

34 minutes ago, Wilber said:

It was a bad decision not to allow the recount. No matter who finally won, this wouldn't still be an issue 16 years later.

No issue, I cannot imagine a world without Bush. No invasion of Iraq, no ISIS, no housing bubble bursting, etc. No, a world without Bush would be bland.

bush_cheney2004 · October 21, 2016

Correct...it is not an issue 16 years later. As President Bush said, "Now watch this drive", as in the 2016 election.

Wilber · October 21, 2016

3 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

No issue, I cannot imagine a world without Bush. No invasion of Iraq, no ISIS, no housing bubble bursting, etc. No, a world without Bush would be bland.

The election would not be an issue because it would have been settled by ballots, not the court.

-TSS- · October 21, 2016

Now 85% likelihood that Clinton will win. So we are told by the trustworthy media which never lies or even exaggerates anything. So it must be true then.

However, just days before the Brexit-vote in Britain everybody was sure that remain would win but look what happened. Trump winning would at least be good entertainment not least because blood vessels would snap in many heads out of sheer anger and frustration.

Bonam · October 21, 2016

25 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Now 85% likelihood that Clinton will win. So we are told by the trustworthy media which never lies or even exaggerates anything. So it must be true then.

However, just days before the Brexit-vote in Britain everybody was sure that remain would win but look what happened.

On the contrary, all the polling going up to Brexit clearly showed it was a toss up, well within the margins of error. Now, some people look at an individual outlier poll and convince themselves to believe that, but an unbiased look at aggregates of all available data clearly showed it was too close to call. Incidentally, this same thing happened in the 2012 US election... many Republicans convinced themselves Romney would win based on 1 or 2 outlier polls, while overall polling data clearly showed he had almost no chance. Biased people believe what they want to believe, but real data is out there for those who want to find it and understand it.

cybercoma · October 22, 2016

1 hour ago, Bonam said:

real data is out there for those who want to find it and understand it.

The problem is the vast majority of people have never taken a stats course in their life and know very little about how polling and inferential statistics work.