Donald vs Hillary

?Impact · October 17, 2016

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Has there been a conviction for Trump's assaults?

There has been zero convictions for all the bullsh*t Trump and his lackeys are spreading about the Clintons. Trump has a court date in November to discuss his sexual exploitations of a 13 year old child, lets see how that one goes.

Argus · October 17, 2016

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

So is Clinton's reponses to Benghazi (the movie hahah) or the email servers (like wipe them with a cloth)

Trump is terrible with women and Clinton is terrible with classified /top secret documents.

Trump is terrible, period. This is a guy who said the US should murder the families of terrorists, and give the crazy religious fanatics of Saudi Arabia nuclear weapons to balance Iran (who don't have nuclear weapons). He's a mean spirited bully who mocked a reporter with parkinsons disease, a businessman who cheated his investors by transferring personal debts to the company, transferring its wealth to himself, then declaring it bankrupt. He's a miserable, egotistical narcissist and congenital liar with no redeeming qualities.

And that's without even taking into consideration his attitude towards women.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Argus

betsy · October 17, 2016

On 10/16/2016 at 0:43 PM, kimmy said:

Indeed. As with Bill Cosby. It's intimidating for one person to stand up against somebody rich and powerful, but when someone makes a stand and others join in, more people feel empowered. It's possible that some of these allegations aren't true, but considering Trump's long-standing reputation and his own words, I don't understand why Trump supporters are so quick to dismiss them.

-k

I don't understand why anti-Trumps - and the media - are only too quick to dismiss all the allegations against Hillary and Bill.

The accusations against the two by women who were assaulted by Bill had been going on for decades - and they're still consistent about. The accusations point to Bill and Hillary as a team!

Boy, the predator and the enabler! Kinda makes me think of Bernardo and Homolka....

On the other hand, everyone's too quick to jump at these women who just suddenly come forward....after all these years.....after the video and the set-up question by Anderson Cooper!

Anderson Cooper's pointed question at Trump if he'd never grabbed anyone at all.....was a set-up question. It was a trap.

And Trump knew it, that's why he tried to avoid to give a response. Of course, once he says "no, I didn't," chances are, there'll be a parade of women coming out to show that he lied. How many are planted by the Dems and Dems supporters? Hillary knew Trump would hit her for Bill Clinton's sexual assault allegations - this smells like a counter. The timing, and all the factors are there. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have that video of Trump quite a while back - they just waited for the right time to bring it out. Look hiow they plotted to smear Obama!

NOT ALL WOMEN WHO MAKE ACCUSATIONS OF SEX ASSAULTS ARE VICTIMS! Think Gian Gomeshi! What more when you've got the dirtiest political we've ever seen.

And.....what the media is focusing on against Trump are mere allegations. Look at the avalanche of wikileaks they're willing to ignore - those are hard evidence!

Edited October 17, 2016 by betsy

?Impact · October 17, 2016

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

Anderson Cooper's pointed question at Trump if he'd never grabbed anyone at all.....was a set-up question. It was a trap.

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And Trump knew it, that's why he tried to avoid to give a response. Of course, once he says "no, I didn't," chances are, there'll be a parade of women coming out to show that he lied. How many are planted by the Dems and Dems supporters?

Yes, Cooper is working for the Clinton campaign setting up Trump by asking him the not obvious question if he ever acted on what he said in the tape. Clinton of course had set this all up with 12 women as plants to come out later.

see page 3 for details on the alien baby Trump fathered.

BubberMiley · October 17, 2016

21 minutes ago, betsy said:

I don't understand why anti-Trumps - and the media - are only too quick to dismiss all the allegations against Hillary and Bill.

The accusations against the two by women who were assaulted by Bill had been going on for decades - and they're still consistent about. The accusations point to Bill and Hillary as a team!

There are people (obviously not Trump supporters) who consider marriage to be a sacred contract and don't take divorce lightly. They are usually the ones who don't consider marriage to be just a political tool to be used to make their neighbours second class citizens.

Melanie_ · October 17, 2016

2 hours ago, betsy said:

I don't understand why anti-Trumps - and the media - are only too quick to dismiss all the allegations against Hillary and Bill.

The accusations against the two by women who were assaulted by Bill had been going on for decades - and they're still consistent about. The accusations point to Bill and Hillary as a team!

Boy, the predator and the enabler! Kinda makes me think of Bernardo and Homolka....

Comparing the Clintons to Bernardo and Homolka is downright nasty, Betsy. I’m not going to engage in discussion with you about it, but this clearly shows just how low you are willing to stoop. I’m not defending the Clintons, and it’s not a stretch to think that Bill might have used the power of the presidency to coerce young women into having affairs with him. But linking the Clintons to the most heinous crime most Canadians can think of is taking it too far.

betsy · October 17, 2016

6 minutes ago, Melanie_ said:

Comparing the Clintons to Bernardo and Homolka is downright nasty, Betsy. I’m not going to engage in discussion with you about it, but this clearly shows just how low you are willing to stoop. I’m not defending the Clintons, and it’s not a stretch to think that Bill might have used the power of the presidency to coerce young women into having affairs with him. But linking the Clintons to the most heinous crime most Canadians can think of is taking it too far.

hey, hey, hey.....let's not get carried away here. I'm not linking them to Bernardo and Homolka. Those were not only both sex predators, they're also killers!

Teamwork, is what makes me think of Bernardo and Homolka. They pop to mind.....:shrug:

Edited October 17, 2016 by betsy

BubberMiley · October 17, 2016

5 minutes ago, betsy said:

hey, hey, hey.....let's not get carried away here. I'm not linking them to Bernardo and Homolka.

You've learned a lot about post-truth politics from your candidate: Hey, I didn't say what I said!

bush_cheney2004 · October 17, 2016

49 minutes ago, betsy said:

hey, hey, hey.....let's not get carried away here. I'm not linking them to Bernardo and Homolka. Those were not only both sex predators, they're also killers!

Teamwork, is what makes me think of Bernardo and Homolka. They pop to mind.....:shrug:

I like the comparison....Bill Clinton allegedly used his power as Arkansas governor to harass and assault women while Hillary looked the other way. Very much a team effort to garner more political power and victims.

Edited October 17, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

Wilber · October 17, 2016

And here I thought marriage was about teamwork. Oh well.

GostHacked · October 17, 2016

Some shady stuff going on !!

VIDEO LINK

Edited October 17, 2016 by Michael Hardner
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The_Squid · October 17, 2016

GH, you see "shady stuff going on" wherever you look. Your conspiracy theory nonsense is a constant theme in your posts.

?Impact · October 18, 2016

Now this is just over the board dumb. Clinton must be laughing all the way to the big house Trump says she should be, except the house will be White.

bush_cheney2004 · October 18, 2016

As expected, some Canadians can't help but patronize the U.S. and the election with a "Tell America It's Great" campaign:

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“You guys are great,” one woman on the video says. A second woman, sitting beside her, agrees: “You really are great.”

To a jaded American eye, it may all look like the most Canadian thing ever.

http://www.startribune.com/sympathetic-canadians-want-americans-to-know-you-guys-are-great/397368061/

cybercoma · October 18, 2016

9 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Now this is just over the board dumb. Clinton must be laughing all the way to the big house Trump says she should be, except the house will be White.

What the hell were they thinking?

cybercoma · October 18, 2016

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

As expected, some Canadians can't help but patronize the U.S. and the election with a "Tell America It's Great" campaign:

Why is it patronizing? A presidential nominee is going around the country talking about how much America sucks.

GostHacked · October 18, 2016

14 hours ago, The_Squid said:

GH, you see "shady stuff going on" wherever you look. Your conspiracy theory nonsense is a constant theme in your posts.

The shady stuff is there in the video talking to the people in between the Clinton campaign and the 'protesters'.

If you CAN'T see it, then I don't think you should be casting a vote.

Argus · October 18, 2016

20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I like the comparison....Bill Clinton allegedly used his power as Arkansas governor to harass and assault women while Hillary looked the other way. Very much a team effort to garner more political power and victims.

There is no 'alleged' about Trump's behavior. He is convicted by his own words. For example, a former Miss Teen USA contestant complaining how Trump would walk in on the contestants in their changing room while they were naked. This is a guy in his sixties, and he's still barging into girls' dressing rooms to oggle naked teenage girls his daughter's age. And then in an interview on Howard Stern he bragged about it, about how he can get away with it because he's the boss, and what fantastic bodies they had.

Mariah Billado, Miss Teen Vermont 1997 told BuzzFeed, "I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my god, there's a man in here.'" Three other teenage contestants from the same year confirmed the story. The former pageant contestants discussed their memories of the incident after former Miss Arizona Tasha Dixon told Los Angeles' CBS affiliate that Trump entered the Miss USA dressing room in 2001 when she was a contestant.
"He just came strolling right in," Dixon said. "There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked.

And on Howard Stern Trump says:
"You know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant. And therefore I'm inspecting it... Is everyone OK? You know, they're standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that,"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/timeline-of-trumps-creepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-w444634

Edited October 18, 2016 by Argus

Wilber · October 18, 2016

Stern on Trump

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“Donald Trump did the show in an effort to be entertaining and have fun with us,” Stern said on his show on Sirius satellite radio. “I fully knew what I was doing when I interviewed Trump. I knew I had a guy who loved to talk about sex.… I had a guy who loved to evaluate women on a scale of 1 to 10. These are avenues I went down because I knew it would entertain the audience.”

Stern, who considers Trump a friend, said he has asked why Trump is running for president and said he was surprised the recordings from his radio show didn’t emerge earlier.

"I said, 'Why are you doing this?'" Stern said he asked Trump earlier this year. "'Why would a guy with billions of dollars [run for president]?... Don't you know what they're gonna do to you? Don't you know they're gonna open up everything?'"

Stern, whose radio career was built on raunchy talk, also weighed in on the videotape that recently emerged where Trump says he can kiss and grope women without their consent because of his celebrity. Stern disputed Trump’s defense that the words were merely “locker room talk.”

“I have never been in the room when someone has said, 'Grab them by the pussy," said Stern, repeating the phrase Trump used in the 2005 recording. "No one's ever advocated going that step where you get a little bit, 'Hey I'm going to invade someone's space.'"

cybercoma · October 18, 2016

I've got to respect Stern for refusing to release earlier tapes of his show. Classy move, since the context of his show is shock radio. It was meant to be vulgar. Taking Trump's words from his show out of context would be counterproductive. There's plenty of valid things to criticize him for without resorting to what he said on a talk show that's supposed to be vulgar entertainment.

betsy · October 18, 2016

Latest Rasmussen report: Oct 18

Individual states will ultimately tell the tale, but right now the presidential race nationally is about as tight as it can be.

Rasmussen Reports’ latest White House Watch survey finds Hillary Clinton with 42% support among Likely U.S. Voters and Donald Trump with 41%.

Eighty-five percent (85%) of voters say they are now sure how they are going to vote, and among these voters, Clinton and Trump are dead even at 47% apiece.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct18

Latest LA Times report Oct 18

Trump has small lead.

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

Why Pay Attention to the L.A. Times Poll?

My point here is not to debate methodology, it is to answer this question: “If their methodology is so different, why do you pay any attention to them?” The answer is twofold. First, truth is not decided by committee. That is to say, the fact that the L.A. Times pollsters weight their poll in a different manner than other pollsters do doesn’t make them wrong. As noted in the above Upshot article, all pollsters have their proprietary ways of weighting data, and the fact that they do so in roughly the same way can at times be a bug rather than a feature.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/10/14/why_pay_attention_to_the_la_times_poll.html

betsy · October 18, 2016

1 hour ago, Argus said:

There is no 'alleged' about Trump's behavior. He is convicted by his own words. For example, a former Miss Teen USA contestant complaining how Trump would walk in on the contestants in their changing room while they were naked. This is a guy in his sixties, and he's still barging into girls' dressing rooms to oggle naked teenage girls his daughter's age. And then in an interview on Howard Stern he bragged about it, about how he can get away with it because he's the boss, and what fantastic bodies they had.

Mariah Billado, Miss Teen Vermont 1997 told BuzzFeed, "I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my god, there's a man in here.'" Three other teenage contestants from the same year confirmed the story. The former pageant contestants discussed their memories of the incident after former Miss Arizona Tasha Dixon told Los Angeles' CBS affiliate that Trump entered the Miss USA dressing room in 2001 when she was a contestant.
"He just came strolling right in," Dixon said. "There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked.

And on Howard Stern Trump says:
"You know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant. And therefore I'm inspecting it... Is everyone OK? You know, they're standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that,"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/timeline-of-trumps-creepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-w444634

How was he convicted by his own words???

So he oggled.......he saw them nekkid. I mean, c'mon. That's different than actual physical assault. I didn't see anything in there that says he actually grabbed their p*****s.

The point is that you're convicting him for his history of crudeness, and oggling. That's a double-standard. Why? Because you can't question rape victims about their past sexual behaviours (rape shield law).....so why do you convict this man based on his past lewd behaviours, and without any trial at all?

Shame....shame...shame......

See what I mean? Isn't this a violation of rights?

Edited October 18, 2016 by betsy

Wilber · October 18, 2016

11 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

I've got to respect Stern for refusing to release earlier tapes of his show. Classy move, since the context of his show is shock radio. It was meant to be vulgar. Taking Trump's words from his show out of context would be counterproductive. There's plenty of valid things to criticize him for without resorting to what he said on a talk show that's supposed to be vulgar entertainment.

Kind of agree about Stern being upfront about his motives but he disputes the "locker room talk" defence. Also, who talks about his daughter that way or lets someone else without an objection, even if they are trying to be entertaining.

betsy · October 18, 2016

20 hours ago, Wilber said:

And here I thought marriage was about teamwork. Oh well.

So you find nothing wrong if a man brings home kids and abuse them in his basement.......and his wife (who knows about it), turns up the volume on tv so neighbors won't hear the screams. That's where you stand, I got that.

That's part of being a team as husband-and-wife, eh? As long as you are married, it's justifiable to support your spouse in anything, and that includes committing crimes.

Edited October 18, 2016 by betsy

BubberMiley · October 18, 2016

5 minutes ago, betsy said:

so why do you convict this man based on his past lewd behaviours, and without any trial at all?

Shame....shame...shame......

See what I mean? Isn't this a violation of rights?

You should argue with the woman with the colourful fonts who has "convicted" Bill Clinton on his past lewd behaviours and without any trial at all.

It might turn into a flame war though.

BTW, nobody has the right to run for president without people looking into what kind of character they have.