Donald vs Hillary

BubberMiley · October 14, 2016

Just now, betsy said:

You're more sour than a pussy. OOOOOPS.

You shouldn't resort to insults because you're guy is losing the election because of his own foolishness. It doesn't make you look any better.

betsy · October 14, 2016

6 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

You shouldn't resort to insults because you're guy is losing the election because of his own foolishness. It doesn't make you look any better.

Hahahaha

By the way you guys respond.....you're the ones projecting like losers! :lol:

Lighten up. It's not even our election....

Edited October 14, 2016 by betsy

cybercoma · October 14, 2016

betsy, you're defending a man who made sexual advances on children by saying it was just a joke. You're sick. And I'm not a religious person, but I hope God has mercy on you.

?Impact · October 14, 2016

Women don't belong in the workforce if they can't handle sexual harassment.

Just a chip off the old block.

Topaz · October 14, 2016

On Fox news, they are reading through the newest e-mails and they show certain people were lying about not knowing this or that. When there is a debate between the Reps. and the Dems. and what Bill did vs what Trump as said/done, the Dems keep saying Bill not running for President BUT He did run for President and he DID those things to those women BEFORE running for President while he held office as Governor! Talk about a double-standard. Trump NEEDS to stop talking about what he's been accused of and start talking about this plan as President and go after the truth on Clinton's e-mails. I think that Clinton and Obama are setting up the American people to get angry with Russia so after the election , if Clinton gets in, they are going after Russia because they are targeting it as a axis of evil country BUT do we want the world in a war with Russia? China wouldn't sit by and watch is happen. Thoughts.

BubberMiley · October 14, 2016

4 minutes ago, Topaz said:

...the Dems keep saying Bill not running for President BUT He did run for President and he DID those things to those women BEFORE running for President while he held office as Governor!

#Redo92!

cybercoma · October 14, 2016

57 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

#Redo92!

:lol: It's pretty bad, eh? I'm reminded of this classic scene.

BC_chick · October 14, 2016

3 hours ago, ?Impact said:

I think you are mixing up different issues; the cheating, and the damage control.

Lets assume the cheating happened, you found out about it, and you forgave your husband. I don't know if that is the case with all of these women, but lets say it is. If it wasn't, then there would be damage control for false allegations which I expect you would understand.

Why would you be interested in damage control for the actions of a woman who cheated on your husband?

If his sexual relations with a woman were consensual, and that woman knew she was getting involved with a married man (which is highly unlikely any of these women can make the claim otherwise), then that woman is equally responsible for what occurred. To come after the fact and try and make some [monetary] claim against the man is wrong, and it should not be accepted.

I don't now the [real] circumstances of all these 'affairs', but if they fit the above profile (which is highly likely) then I say investigate away and trash that gold seeking bytch.

I think this is where I seem to veer differently than the rest of the board. No, I honestly do not hold other women accountable for my husband's fidelity and I don't consider them equally guilty (and I speak from experience from a previous relationship in which I was cheated on). My husband's vows to me are HIS responsibility and nobody else has a responsibility in ensuring he doesn't break them.

If I were the type to stay with a serial adulterer then maybe I'd misdirect my anger at the women, but I'm not.

Second, even for argument's sake, if I were to stay with him and go ahead with an investigation to root out the 'gold diggers' I'd quickly pull the plug once I saw that the investigation has changed course and is instead leaking stories to the press in order to paint the women as slutty floozies.

It would have been nice to have at least one person acknowledge these actions wrong *in spite* of their support for Hillary and frankly it's disappointing to see so many feminists blame the other woman and/or outright deny their allegations.

That is politics I guess. Not unlike Trump supporters.

Edited October 14, 2016 by BC_chick

Argus · October 14, 2016

2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

This entire scandal is about nothing more than securing the women vote. Nothing here has happened by chance, no information "just came out". We all knew Hillary would play the women card, I don't think any of us knew just how much or how much the press would be involved, but we all knew that this was her biggest play.

It was Trump who decided to focus on sexual morality, not the Clintons. It seems fitting he was hoist on his own petard, so to speak. I mean, if ever a man should have left the topic of adultery alone it is the serial adulterer Trump.

cybercoma · October 14, 2016

I wonder if Donald Trump Jr. was talking about Bill Clinton's accusers back in 2013 when he said women who can't handle sexual harassment in the workplace should just quit or go teach kindergarten.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-women-harrassment-workforce_us_5800b9bbe4b0162c043b532e

WestCoastRunner · October 14, 2016

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Even butchers make fun of Hillary's breasts and thighs!

THE HILLARY CLINTON PACKAGE

1 small turkey breast

2 big turkey thighs

1 left wing

Gross. Not only do they describe her thighs bigger that her breast ....they called her a turkey, too!

And you think it's funny comparing a woman to a turkey? Weird sense of humour I must say.

WestCoastRunner · October 14, 2016

3 hours ago, BC_chick said:

It would have been nice to have at least one person acknowledge these actions wrong *in spite* of their support for Hillary and frankly it's disappointing to see so many feminists blame the other woman and/or outright deny their allegations.

That is politics I guess. Not unlike Trump supporters.

The issue is people attacking Hillary for her husband's philandering and the damage control, investigations etc that took place after.

cybercoma · October 14, 2016

13 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

And you think it's funny comparing a woman to a turkey? Weird sense of humour I must say.

Why not objectify her breasts and thighs? It's the least repugnant thing coming from the political right in this election. They've got a candidate who made sexual advances on children and has bragged about forcing himself on women. Trump's campaign can't possibly sink any lower.

Edited October 14, 2016 by cybercoma

BubberMiley · October 14, 2016

3 hours ago, BC_chick said:

It would have been nice to have at least one person acknowledge these actions wrong *in spite* of their support for Hillary and frankly it's disappointing to see so many feminists blame the other woman and/or outright deny their allegations.

I think most feminists see a double standard, where a man would never have to account for his wife's transgressions like Hillary has to account for Bill's.

bush_cheney2004 · October 14, 2016

Too late now...so called "feminists" sold out years ago by supporting Bill Clinton when he faced credible allegations of sexual harassment and assault.

Politics makes strange bedfellows...as the saying goes.

cybercoma · October 14, 2016

9 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

The issue is people attacking Hillary for her husband's philandering and the damage control, investigations etc that took place after.

All of the allegations against Bill Clinton were questionable too.

Juanita Broderick signed a deposition, under oath, stating that she had no sexual contact with him and she continued to appear in public with him after she alleges he raped her.

Paula Jones's own sister and brother-in-law said that she described her encounters with Clinton as "happy" and "gentle." She also said she could describe a unique deformity of his penis, which investigators found to be completely false.

Kathleen Wiley had Linda Tripp and six other witnesses come out to say she was bragging about her sexual relationship with Bill Clinton. Saying how happy she was about it and how exciting it was. Her case was also dismissed on insufficient evidence, like Paula Jones.

Monica Lewinsky had a consensual relationship and never claimed harassment or assault. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about his relationship with her in the Paula Jones hearings.

So, Bill Clinton is certainly a philanderer. For all we know, he and Hillary Clinton have had an open relationship their entire lives. Has he raped or sexually harassed women? None of the allegations that have come forward against him seem legit. All of the women who accused him of harassment were dragged up by Kenneth Starr and the Republicans to discredit Bill Clinton and try to get him impeached. This all sounds like political opportunism from Clinton's opponents. Several witnesses for all of these women have accounts of them expressing how happy and exciting their relationships were. There are links to references in the Wikipedia article about Bill Clinton's sexual misconduct allegations, if you want to review them. The fact remains that these allegations were never proven in court and were actually contradicted by a number of witnesses.

People are attacking Hillary Clinton not just for her husband's behaviour but they're attacking her with a deliberate smear campaign that was used against her husband 20 years ago. It's stupid.

TimG · October 14, 2016

28 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

The issue is people attacking Hillary for her husband's philandering and the damage control, investigations etc that took place after.

Criticizing Hillary presumes she knew Bill is guilty. Why was it wrong for Hillary to defend her husband if she believed her husband was innocent of the charges?

The "believe the victim" mantra got Rolling Stone into a lot of trouble. It also meant the RCMP destroyed whatever case those women had against Gomeshi.
Women do lie about sexual assault (a minority of cases but often enough that it perfectly reasonable to insist that someone is innocent until proven guilty).

Why should Bill be treated as guilty until proven innocent?
Why should Hillary be expected to act like Bill is guilty?

Edited October 14, 2016 by TimG

?Impact · October 14, 2016

4 hours ago, BC_chick said:

If I were the type to stay with a serial adulterer then maybe I'd misdirect my anger at the women, but I'm not.

None of can really know the relationship of Hilary and Bill Clinton, so we can only put it into our own perspective. We know for a fact that Bill Clinton is an adulterer, and it is reasonable to assume there was more than one occurrence. Labeling him a serial adulterer however is speculation. Adultery however is not a crime, but most people in a relationship will not tolerate it of their partner.

bush_cheney2004 · October 14, 2016

2 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

... Adultery however is not a crime, but most people in a relationship will not tolerate it of their partner.

???? Adultery is a crime in many states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#United_States

Rue · October 14, 2016

55 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

The issue is people attacking Hillary for her husband's philandering and the damage control, investigations etc that took place after.

I challenge her for defending what Bill Clinton did to women and actually insulting the women he made his advances on. She openly ridiculed the woman that led to his being disbarred and fined $850,000.00. Hilary to protect her career attacked women her husband had attacked. That's what I challenge her for. I also challenge her for being an active participant in crooked real estate and lobbying deals.

Her gender to me is not something I think she should claim gives her automatic votes from women. If I was a woman I get why they sure as hell can not vote for Trump but she betrayed women to get where she is and if it were anyone else but Trump running she might not be able to pull the gender card she has..

That's what I mean about her. I blame her for being an accomplice after the fact.

That said, after what Trump has morphed into, I just don't see Americans having any choice but vote for her.

Ironically it looks like women not men who will decide this vote in the US this time, and maybe that is the way it should be given what has happened..

As for some of the comments from posters about women that are derogatory, i.e., the one about a woman should not be in the work force if they can't handle being harassed, I have this to say-I am a 60 year old man. My generation was brought up at a time where we men would say things between us we would never say in front of women and a lot of it was hot air crap to make us sound tough in front other men. Nobody my age can claim to have not said stupid things or acted stupidly with women. Hopefully though we matured and developed insights as to our negative behaviours and matured. Yes we men with other men say a lot of nonsense. We know its nonsense. Its stupid immature posturing and puffing our egos up. That though is no excuse. We all have had or have mothers, grandmothers, sisters, daughters, nieces. We know better.

Trump crossed that line. I don't care what culture you come or what the excuse is, men know there are certain things we just can not do. Trump crossed that line and he's showing just how abusive he is in his responses towards women.

I truly feel sorry for his daughter and wife.

Edited October 14, 2016 by Rue

?Impact · October 14, 2016

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

???? Adultery is a crime in many states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#United_States

I stand corrected. It would be interesting to see those laws challenged in the Supreme Court, maybe that's why Hilary wants to make appointments.

?Impact · October 14, 2016

3 minutes ago, Rue said:

Hilary to protect her career attacked women her husband had attacked.

I would have to insert allegedly in there, otherwise I concur with most of your post including the part:

5 minutes ago, Rue said:

Hilary, she's a cold blooded ruthless power hungry individual.

Argus · October 14, 2016

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

???? Adultery is a crime in many states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#United_States

Trump better stay away from those states then.

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

4 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

The issue is people attacking Hillary for her husband's philandering and the damage control, investigations etc that took place after.

Would you get off the "philandering" routine, it has nothing to do with philandering, nobody cares that Bill was a philanderer. For a bunch of people who insist that Bill's adultery should be left out of this campaign, you sure do want to bring it around to Bill when we talk about Hillary's threats.

capricorn · October 15, 2016

5 hours ago, cybercoma said:

Why not objectify her breasts and thighs? It's the least repugnant thing coming from the political right in this election. They've got a candidate who made sexual advances on children and has bragged about forcing himself on women. Trump's campaign can't possibly sink any lower.

I know what you're saying. But to clarify, it's not Trump's campaign that is making accusations of sexual advances on children and bragging about forcing himself on women. In fact, it is the campaign of Hillary supporters, Hillary's war room and assorted anti-Trump forces.