Donald vs Hillary

cybercoma · October 9, 2016

10 minutes ago, kimmy said:

Among the US evangelicals, none less than Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist convention, has denounced Trump.

From a conservative Christian of Mohler's stature, those are incredibly damning comments.

-k

Trump is far beyond done if the evangelicals are mobilized against him.

cybercoma · October 9, 2016

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

What? The Republicans are all......politicians! Every man for himself! Political correctness, rules!

Oh yes. Those politically correct Republicans who've been criticizing political correctness for the better part of 40 years.

betsy · October 9, 2016

I must say that I dread watching the debate tonight......with Trump talking off-the cuff.

But this is history right now.....so unprecedented.

Edited October 9, 2016 by betsy

betsy · October 9, 2016

I just watched Face The Nation. The polls apparently show that there's no shift among Trump's supporters.

They're digging in.

Edited October 9, 2016 by betsy

kimmy · October 9, 2016

27 minutes ago, betsy said:

Trumps remarks was said in the context of women letting celebrities do anything the celebs want.....and you're already convinced that he'd actually done those things. For me to even say that it's a double standard, is laughable, since there is no comparison between Bill and Donald. Trump was not in in any political office at that time, whereas Clinton was!

uh, actually he said he rolls up on them and just starts kissing:

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You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.

If you just walk up to someone and start kissing and groping them because you assume being "a star" gives you license to do whatever you want, you're a sexual predator.

And he hasn't actually denied that he acts this way. And if he does, we all know that there people who are going to come forward and say "oh yes he did". The article you linked earlier-- mentioning that the "Apprentice" producer says that there's way more damaging clips of Trump waiting to be released. As a Trump booster, aren't you more than a little worried about what the next "October surprise" is going to be?

-k

betsy · October 9, 2016

3 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

Oh yes. Those politically correct Republicans who've been criticizing political correctness for the better part of 40 years.

It's only politically correct to be seen on the side of women. Everyone on the bandwagon!

cybercoma · October 9, 2016

Oh yeah? Was that another CBS poll?

BubberMiley · October 9, 2016

"Politically correct" has become a synonym to "rational."

kimmy · October 9, 2016

5 minutes ago, betsy said:

I must say that I dread watching the debate tonight......with Trump talking off-the cuff.

But this is history right now.....so unprecedented.

I think you're right about that much. He's very tone-deaf... he's going to come out and say a lot of stuff that he thinks is brilliant and incredibly damaging to Hillary, but in reality is going to make him look even worse to most voters. The stuff he says is going to be very popular with people who still hate Slick Willy, and people who hate Hillary... but he already has those votes in the bag. He needs more votes to win, and going all-out mud-slinging tonight is going to make him look even worse to everybody except the people who are already behind him.

-k

betsy · October 9, 2016

11 minutes ago, kimmy said:

uh, actually he said he rolls up on them and just starts kissing:

If you just walk up to someone and start kissing and groping them because you assume being "a star" gives you license to do whatever you want, you're a sexual predator.

And he hasn't actually denied that he acts this way. And if he does, we all know that there people who are going to come forward and say "oh yes he did". The article you linked earlier-- mentioning that the "Apprentice" producer says that there's way more damaging clips of Trump waiting to be released. As a Trump booster, aren't you more than a little worried about what the next "October surprise" is going to be?

-k

It's the one who was sitting in office, that's assaulting women - that's the sexual predator. Someone likened him to Bill Cosby.

Well kimmy, let's put it in context. First of all, he's talking as a celebrity.

Hollywood is a different world. You see stars kiss on the lips as regular greetings (seen it on awards night). Lip-kissing seems nothing in that world.

You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.

Anyway, how did Trump kiss the women he's talking about (if he actually kissed them)? Do you know?

Anyway, I kinda wonder what that married woman was doing "furniture shopping" with Trump?

Edited October 9, 2016 by betsy

BubberMiley · October 9, 2016

48 minutes ago, betsy said:

Bill is campaigning for Hilary, using his influence as former President to Hillary's advantage.

That makes him - and all the scandals attached to him - fair game

Both Bill and Donald have been accused but not convicted of rape. Hillary has not used the accusations against Trump in her campaign. Are you saying that would be fair if she did? Now that Trump has admitted to his character as a molester, maybe it's even more fair than Trump using the allegations against Bill.

BubberMiley · October 9, 2016

23 minutes ago, betsy said:

Anyway, I kinda wonder what that married woman was doing "furniture shopping" with Trump?

Why would you possibly care? Maybe she wanted a free couch. What difference does that make?

BC_chick · October 9, 2016

16 minutes ago, betsy said:

Anyway, I kinda wonder what that married woman was doing "furniture shopping" with Trump?

I see. Talking about grabbing pussy without consent is just men being men but going furniture shopping when you're married is slutty.

msj · October 9, 2016

I think Paul Krugman has the call right on this one: Republicans know/knew who Trump was/is and they are dropping him now only because he is losing.

With 4:1 odds this week it's no wonder they are so bitter.

Edited October 9, 2016 by msj

kimmy · October 9, 2016

23 minutes ago, betsy said:

Well kimmy, let's put it in context. First of all, he's talking as a celebrity.

Hollywood is a different world. You see stars kiss on the lips as regular greetings (seen it on awards night). Lip-kissing seems nothing in that world.

You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.

Good effort, but no. It's clear what Trump is selling here. You don't have to be "a star" to touch a woman's privates once she's already agreed to it. Trump's telling his buddy that he's such a big shot that he can do whatever he wants to women. He assumes "they let him" because they don't slap his face or call the cops on him.

23 minutes ago, betsy said:

Anyway, how did Trump kiss the women he's talking about (if he actually kissed them)? Do you know?

Well, according to Erin Burnett's source, he kissed her on the lips while he was offering her some Tic-Tacs.

-k

msj · October 9, 2016

26 minutes ago, betsy said:

Anyway, I kinda wonder what that married woman was doing "furniture shopping" with Trump?

Why?

Is she not allowed to be in the company of another man? Maybe she was as naive to his creepiness as so many others.

Maybe she was just... furniture shopping.

What? No curiosity about what sick rapey thoughts were going through Trump's head as she was checking out the beautifully upholstered settee?

cybercoma · October 9, 2016

40 minutes ago, kimmy said:

I think you're right about that much. He's very tone-deaf... he's going to come out and say a lot of stuff that he thinks is brilliant and incredibly damaging to Hillary, but in reality is going to make him look even worse to most voters. The stuff he says is going to be very popular with people who still hate Slick Willy, and people who hate Hillary... but he already has those votes in the bag. He needs more votes to win, and going all-out mud-slinging tonight is going to make him look even worse to everybody except the people who are already behind him.

-k

It will be especially amusing if Hillary says she's loyal and works hard in her relationships, choosing not to abandon them on a whim like Trump does.

Hal 9000 · October 9, 2016

1 hour ago, cybercoma said:

You and the boys like to sit around and shoot the s*** about how you sexually assault women, eh? Just some friendly man talk, huh? Sorry, but every single workplace I've ever been in would have fired someone faster than they could say, "But..." if they made comments bragging about sexually assaulting coworkers, customers, or clients. Don't sit here and try to tell me or anyone else who has at least two braincells to rub together that this is normal or acceptable behaviour. It isn't. He's a scumbag and anyone who condones it is equally scum.

I didn't say I condone it, in fact I don't condone jokingly threatening someone's life - as Hillary did. It's inappropriate, but nothing more than bad humour and I give it the same weight as Hillary wanting to drone strike Assange - none. This issue is that we have one person making poor taste jokes toward a man and the other against a woman.

The second period starts tonight and Trump is down a couple goals, that's all we're seeing.

Argus · October 9, 2016

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Hillary treated Bill's lovers with some nasty words.

A woman treated her husband's lovers with nasty words! Stop the presses! :rolleyes:

Edited October 9, 2016 by Argus

BC_chick · October 9, 2016

I have to agree with Hal on the Assange tidbit.

She didn't deny it, and said 'if' she said it it was a joke. Somehow I don't see anything funny about that and I think it speaks a lot about moral compass as well.

2016 was a serious shit show between these two clowns.

Argus · October 9, 2016

3 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

I have to agree with Hal on the Assange tidbit.

She didn't deny it, and said 'if' she said it it was a joke. Somehow I don't see anything funny about that and I think it speaks a lot about moral compass as well.

2016 was a serious shit show between these two clowns.

Assange is a mouthpiece for Russian intelligence. And talking about rape... he's been in hiding from Swedish rape charges for years.

His demise would be no loss to the world.

BC_chick · October 9, 2016

1 minute ago, Argus said:

A woman treated her husband's losers with nasty words! Stop the presses!

I think it's messed up, personally. I would never hold any woman accountable for my partner's faithfulness.

BC_chick · October 9, 2016

Just now, Argus said:

Assange is a mouthpiece for Russian intelligence. And talking about rape... he's been in hiding from Swedish rape charges for years.

His demise would be no loss to the world.

Are you seriously that dismissive about killing people who are political threats?

WTF?

Hal 9000 · October 9, 2016

2 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

I think it's messed up, personally. I would never hold any woman accountable for my partner's faithfulness.

No ones done that though. That's simply the deflection that Hillary supporters always throw out. Hillary is only accountable for her own actions, and those actions aren't that her husband was a slime ball or even that she stayed with said slime ball, it's that she not only covered for it at the expense of many women, she also led the charge to slander, accuse and levy (and carry through) threats against those women.

Trump has said bad things about women, but Hillary has actually done bad things against women.

BC_chick · October 9, 2016

13 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

No ones done that though. That's simply the deflection that Hillary supporters always throw out. Hillary is only accountable for her own actions, and those actions aren't that her husband was a slime ball or even that she stayed with said slime ball, it's that she not only covered for it at the expense of many women, she also led the charge to slander, accuse and levy (and carry through) threats against those women.

Trump has said bad things about women, but Hillary has actually done bad things against women.

You're really no different than those you criticize. You're equally dismissive of the terrible things Trump does.

It's funny, but other than me and Gosthacked, it seems everyone on this board is completely in denial of one candidate's sociopathic tendencies.