bush_cheney2004 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) Which gun is real and which is the replica ? You only have 2 seconds to decide..... Edited December 29, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 "Now!" means...now...not later. How do you drill this into your kids? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) How do you drill this into your kids? Same way I learned it...from Grover on Sesame Street. The rules don't change for Tamir...or anybody else. Edited December 29, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 Which gun is real and which is the replica ? You only have 2 seconds to decide..... Great post! It lets some of the people with their heads in the sand get a glimpse of reality. Not Monday morning quarter back in a forum behind a keyboard. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 Great post! It lets some of the people with their heads in the sand get a glimpse of reality. Not Monday morning quarter back in a forum behind a keyboard. Shady. You do your Monday morning quarter back in status updates all the time. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) I'm glad the police won't be held responsible. I hope the tossers who gave the kid the gun are. Edited December 29, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
eyeball Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 Same way I learned it...from Grover on Sesame Street. The rules don't change for Tamir...or anybody else.Sesame Street. Interesting. You don't see that in the Canadian version. Must be a CanCon thing. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
H10 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 The U.S. is not Canada...please try to understand this. One would think that after more than two generations of Canadians watching so much American media, it would be obvious by now. FBI records report that U.S. police officers shoot and kill about 400 people per year on average, with or without pellet guns or "visible minority" skin colour. Tamir Rice did a very stupid thing, and it cost him his life. Don't do that down here, 'cause you will likely be shot by police. I am a little confused by this comment, people in America have the right to bear arms, how is it justified shooting and killing someone for having a gun when it is your legal right? Quote
H10 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 So the poor kid failed to respect and comply with authoritah immediately. This sounds like a failure of the education system. Instantaneous submission to police drills should be even more important than duck and cover drills. Well he wasn't even doing anything illegal, so he probably had no clue who these guys driving a car into the park where, by the time the car stops, the cop jumps out and open fire, I don't think he had any time to even react, never mind know they were cops. Quote
H10 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 Cops don't have the luxury of knowing whether a gun being pointed at them is real or fake. The grand jury came to the proper conclusion. That is true, but was a gun being pointed at the cops. I didn't see that in the video. Additionally, I didn't see the cops try to administer any aid. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) I am a little confused by this comment, people in America have the right to bear arms, how is it justified shooting and killing someone for having a gun when it is your legal right? Police officers are authorized to use deadly force when perps are non-compliant and present a credible, imminent threat. Tamir Rice could have just as well been reaching for a replica banana. Context is everything here, irrespective of gun rights. Edited December 29, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 FBI records report that U.S. police officers shoot and kill about 400 people per year on average, with or without pellet guns or "visible minority" skin colour. no - those FBI figures are not accurate/complete/representative. --- A New Estimate Of Killings By Police Is Way Higher — And Still Too Low In the past two months, the president and his attorney general have said they need better data on the number of people killed by police — a number that nobody knows and that no government agency can agree on. On Tuesday, the Bureau of Justice Statistics released a report that at first glance looks like it fills the gap. It found that more than a quarter of killings by police are not included in either of two federal databases. The true number of annual police killings, according to the report, is likely around 930 — about twice that of each of the two other U.S. government counts. It’s even higher — about 1,240 — if you assume that local law enforcement agencies that don’t report any killings have killed people at the same rate as agencies that do. Quote
Big Guy Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 A caller phoned the police to report that a person was pointing a gun at people in a park. The police responded and as they were driving up, the individual reached into his waist and pulled out the gun and pointed it at the police. The police responded by shooting and killing the person. It was only after the fact that it was discovered that the gun was not lethal and the person was a 12 year old child. I believe the police acted accordingly and there are no grounds for any criminal prosecution. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
H10 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 Police officers are authorized to use deadly force when perps are non-compliant and present a credible, imminent threat. Tamir Rice could have just as well been reaching for a replica banana. Context is everything here, irrespective of gun rights. How can you comply in 1.5 seconds? It takes 2.5 to even react. If he has the right to a gun, you cannot shoot someone for exercising their right. Can a cop shoot someone for free speech? Quote
Argus Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) How can you comply in 1.5 seconds? It takes 2.5 to even react. I agree that they shot too fast. On the other hand, that is an employment issue, ie, is he a good cop, not a criminality issue, ie, did the cop have a legitimate fear for his life. Edited December 29, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 How can you comply in 1.5 seconds? It takes 2.5 to even react. If he has the right to a gun, you cannot shoot someone for exercising their right. Can a cop shoot someone for free speech? That's a rather nonsensical comparison. The free speech isn't going to kill the cop. The gun might. Anyone who thinks cops should put their lives at risk when they don't have to is asking too much of them. Anyone who waves a realistic looking fake gun around in any city is taking a risk. Doing it in inner city USA is being downright stupid. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) How can you comply in 1.5 seconds? It takes 2.5 to even react. If he has the right to a gun, you cannot shoot someone for exercising their right. Can a cop shoot someone for free speech? Of course you can...and the police often do. Gun rights do not include ignoring lawful police orders while reaching for a gun or what police believe to be a gun/weapon. Can a cop shoot someone for free speech? Yes...if it presents a credible, imminent threat to public safety. Example: "Yo Pigs!....I have a huge bomb in my trunk and I'm going to frag your ass right now!". Edited December 29, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted December 30, 2015 Report Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Apologies if this has been previously posted. Apparently it's a common occurrence. Some common sense required on the toy owner's part, maybe. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/29/28-people-killed-bb-pellet-guns-police-tamir-rice Edited December 30, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 30, 2015 Report Posted December 30, 2015 I don't understand why the police would drive straight at this person. Looking at the video, I suspect most people would react in a way that would have gotten them shot. Could they not have approached in a less aggressive manner? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
H10 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Posted December 30, 2015 Of course you can...and the police often do. Gun rights do not include ignoring lawful police orders while reaching for a gun or what police believe to be a gun/weapon. Yes...if it presents a credible, imminent threat to public safety. Example: "Yo Pigs!....I have a huge bomb in my trunk and I'm going to frag your ass right now!". No, you cannot react to a command in 1.5 seconds when you are being ambushed. It takes time to hear the command, recognized who is giving the command etc. If you are expecting lets say a command you can probably react faster. If a cop blind sided you , and you didn't know it was a cop, you wouldn't be able to react. I see no evidence of ignoring an order, there was no chance, I don't even believe an order was given, I saw a guy drive a car jump out the car and automatically start firing. Quote
H10 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Posted December 30, 2015 I don't understand why the police would drive straight at this person. Looking at the video, I suspect most people would react in a way that would have gotten them shot. Could they not have approached in a less aggressive manner? It is obvious they intended to kill someone. If someone really did have a real gun pointing at people, both those officers would have been dead. He literally endangered his own life, his officer life and the public safety unnecessarily. No assessment of the situation. No stopping or drive around to see if kids are in the area or in the park, no parking 100 meters away and speaking over the loud speakers. Given you have a car drive 5 feet away from the kid and a man jump out the car shooting, I doubt anyone would have gotten out that situation alive, the cop made up his mind to kill on sight. The fact that they left him on the ground for 4 minutes to die and did not administer any first aid, clearly shows their intentions. At this rate, one day the civilians are simpling just going to start killing cops for fun... again... like they did in the 60s and 70s and they did in the 1700s and wild west towns. It seems like cops just want to be killed in large numbers again, and I am not sure America is going to survive a bunch of major riots again. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Posted December 30, 2015 No, you cannot react to a command in 1.5 seconds when you are being ambushed. It takes time to hear the command, recognized who is giving the command etc. If you are expecting lets say a command you can probably react faster. If a cop blind sided you , and you didn't know it was a cop, you wouldn't be able to react. The law doesn't care how slow or how fast you respond if at the same time you are reaching for a weapon. Police officers are given wide latitude to shoot and kill perps that present a deadly threat during lawful actions. Even a novice can shoot several rounds in two seconds. Police are not required to wait for comprehension if Rice's concurrent action was to reach for a weapon/replica gun. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted December 30, 2015 Report Posted December 30, 2015 The law doesn't care how slow or how fast you respond if at the same time you are reaching for a weapon. Police officers are given wide latitude to shoot and kill perps that present a deadly threat during lawful actions. Even a novice can shoot several rounds in two seconds. Police are not required to wait for comprehension if Rice's concurrent action was to reach for a weapon/replica gun. Your reaction to the death of a 12 year old boy is truly disgusting, BC. Even for you. The kid was not a 'perp'. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
eyeball Posted December 30, 2015 Report Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) No, you cannot react to a command in 1.5 seconds when you are being ambushed. It takes time to hear the command, recognized who is giving the command etc. If you are expecting lets say a command you can probably react faster. If a cop blind sided you , and you didn't know it was a cop, you wouldn't be able to react. Recall my suggestion that kids be taught instantaneous submission to authoritah in school drills from the earliest age possible. If little kids can be taught to duck and cover the second they see the flash of a nuclear device they can be taught to prostrate themselves the second they see a cop. Tamir Rice's death is a failure of America's educational system to prepare children for life in a dangerous perp-ridden trigger-happy society. Edited December 30, 2015 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Posted December 30, 2015 Recall my suggestion that kids be taught instantaneous submission to authoritah in school drills from the earliest age possible. Irrelevant....as it was Rice's physical actions that caused the police to act. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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