Canadians Solidly Behind Justin Trudeau

[ironstone]

Far left government??? LOLOL. What country do you think we live in if you think this is a far left government? Is he pushing for a much talked about increase in the minimum wage? NO. Is pushing for more labour laws? No. Is he calling for taxes for those middle class 45,000 - 100,000 to pay their fare share like many on the Canadian left historically have done? Not even close. This PM isn't even close to Canadian far left wing.

If you were speaking on a an American political scale, you'd have a point, but we live in Canada, a completely different country, with completely different economics. How far right wing and completely out of touch with most of Canada do you have to be to believe that this government is far left wing? My gosh. This is a centre to centre left government at most in Canadian historical terms.

MSM? Really. Is this board Fox News or the Rush Limbaugh show now? Take your far right wing rhetoric someplace else. That's just embarrassing. Most conservatives I know in the east watch CBC are are very happy with it. The far far right wingers. Ya, they miss their Sun News Channel, but there weren't enough of them to keep it alive, were there? Why are so many brainwashed American freaks on these boards lately?

Welcome to Canada. Let us know if you ever get here. It's a pretty nice place.

It's scary to think of just how far left you would prefer the government to be.You show just how far left you are if you don't think Canadians earning between 45000-100000 are not paying their fair share of taxes.If you were paying attention at all you might be aware there will be some hefty taxes coming to most Canadians in the form of carbon taxes,rich and poor alike.

I think even someone like you would admit the Ontario Liberals are pretty far left,so why is Ontario swirling in the toilet?They keep hiking taxes,they have raised the minimum wage,electricity prices are skyrocketing etc,what gives?

[-1=e^ipi]

As an aside, a friend of mind who works fairly high up in the federal government says that the difference in moral her department since JT was elected has been considerable. She describes it as a breath of fresh air.

Perhaps this indicates that the civil service is partially politicized.

[Smoke]

Hey Reefer Madness, please see below....I fixed the title of this thread for ya.

Public Servants Solidly Behind Justin Trudeau

[PIK]

Quebec is running the country again, corruption here we come.

[The_Squid]

Quebec is running the country again, corruption here we come.

How is Quebec running the country?

[PIK]

Well lest see when Harper was PM, trudeau even said or insulted people about the west running the country , now trudeau who is from Quebec is now PM. And what province has been the most corrupt in our history. Do the math.

[Shady]

Justin's already admitted he's going to blast past the deficit caps he promised during the campaign. Perhaps as much as triple the amount. Add to that the usual Liberal peso that follows, as well as higher taxes and were on course for a pretty wretched finish to the decade. His poll numbers will drop significantly in a short period of time.

[waldo]

Liberal peso

you mean the diving HarperPetroDollar?

[Smallc]

Justin's already admitted he's going to blast past the deficit caps he promised during the campaign. Perhaps as much as triple the amount. Add to that the usual Liberal peso that follows, as well as higher taxes and were on course for a pretty wretched finish to the decade. His poll numbers will drop significantly in a short period of time.

The deficit is blasting itself up. Also, most of the dollars fall came under Harper. Revisions history from you.

[The_Squid]

Well lest see when Harper was PM, trudeau even said or insulted people about the west running the country , now trudeau who is from Quebec is now PM. And what province has been the most corrupt in our history. Do the math.

This is just paranoia. You didn't provide a single example of how "Quebec is running the country" other than the PM is a Quebecer.

[overthere]

We have already established that the PM is almost always from Quebec, not need to keep repeating the facts.

Ding!Ding!Ding! here comes Pavlovs Dog....

Justin's already admitted he's going to blast past the deficit caps he promised during the campaign. Perhaps as much as triple the amount. Add to that the usual Liberal peso that follows, as well as higher taxes and were on course for a pretty wretched finish to the decade. His poll numbers will drop significantly in a short period of time.

I am looking forward to the usual crop of Liberal Cabinet Minsters resigning in scandal, another feature of Liberal governments. Somewhere, out there, a Montreal ad agency is going hungry and homeless.

[overthere]

This is just paranoia. You didn't provide a single example of how "Quebec is running the country" other than the PM is a Quebecer.

And it is just a complete lie that Francophones are over represented in the federal civil service.

[waldo]

We have already established that the PM is almost always from Quebec, not need to keep repeating the facts.

Ding!Ding!Ding! here comes Pavlovs Dog....

nice! So you shout "Pavlov's Dog" has arrived if someone chooses to highlight your self-serving revisionism? Please provide a link to your "we established" - sure you can! As I recall you (and I believe MLW member 'Simple') twisted yourselves into knots to try and find a time frame where you could suggest Prime Minister's "almost always come from Quebec"... notwithstanding, once again, Canadians don't vote for the Prime Minister directly!

[The_Squid]

And it is just a complete lie that Francophones are over represented in the federal civil service.

Provide a cite and let's have that discussion.

[ironstone]

This is just paranoia. You didn't provide a single example of how "Quebec is running the country" other than the PM is a Quebecer.

I would say Quebec is sort of like the spoiled child in the country,always demanding more.Usually gets it too.

[Argus]

And it is just a complete lie that Francophones are over represented in the federal civil service.

The figures get concealed by adding in lower level clerks in the regions. But all the decision making is in Ottawa, and among the decision makers, there are a hell of a lot of Francophones due to the requirement that before even being considered for any management job at any level you be fluently bilingual. The higher up you go the more fluent you must be.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Trudeau is the people's Prime Minister. I predict that his name will go down in history as Canada's best prime minister. Also he will be the longest serving Prime Minister' He will serve for 24 years of the next 30 years and will retire in 2045. We will see.

[overthere]

nice! So you shout "Pavlov's Dog" has arrived if someone chooses to highlight your self-serving revisionism? Please provide a link to your "we established" - sure you can! As I recall you (and I believe MLW member 'Simple') twisted yourselves into knots to try and find a time frame where you could suggest Prime Minister's "almost always come from Quebec"... notwithstanding, once again, Canadians don't vote for the Prime Minister directly!

Waldo, we simply reviewed the last half century of PMs and as I recall 37 of those years had PMs from Quebec,. The time frame was from today back those fifty years. I am so sorry if you find that time frame inconvenient in some way.

And thanks for answering the bell, you are reliable and loyal.

Nobody claimed that we elected the PM directly, are you trying to shift the goalposts again? It is really harder to do in winter when they are frozen solidly into the muskeg of a fetid imagination.

[Keepitsimple]

Trudeau is the people's Prime Minister. I predict that his name will go down in history as Canada's best prime minister. Also he will be the longest serving Prime Minister' He will serve for 24 years of the next 30 years and will retire in 2045. We will see.

That would be great - because it would mean he's doing a great job and Canadians are behind him. But you're right - we will see.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Keepitsimple

[overthere]

Trudeau is the people's Prime Minister. I predict that his name will go down in history as Canada's best prime minister. Also he will be the longest serving Prime Minister' He will serve for 24 years of the next 30 years and will retire in 2045. We will see.

One he changes the electoral system to his liking, I think you are right about the 30 consecutive years.

[Keepitsimple]

One he changes the electoral system to his liking, I think you are right about the 30 consecutive years.

If there was ever an issue worthy of a Constitutional challenge, it would be changing the voting system without getting approval from the provinces and maybe also a referendum. As we've found, there are many things that are not explicitly written into our Constitution - but nonetheless have become part of its fabric. FPTP has been with us since the birth of Canada and it seems fairly obvious that it's an implied part of our Constitution. As Harper did, if there is to be any serious attempt at changing the system, it would be wise to first do a referral to the SCC to see what the ground rules should be for changes.

[Smallc]

The voting system is never mentioned in the Constitution. There's no reason to believe it's subject to any limitations. There's definitely no reason to assume a referendum is required, as such a vote is never required for Constitutional change.

[Special Delivery]

Personally I feel more hopeful and safer. I feel proud to be a Canadian again and I worry a lot less about terrorism and I now believe my kids will get to see the best side of Canadian life - full of promise and equal opportunity. In short, I feel relief.

[Argus]

The voting system is never mentioned in the Constitution. There's no reason to believe it's subject to any limitations. There's definitely no reason to assume a referendum is required, as such a vote is never required for Constitutional change.

Changing the way we elect MPs damn well should require a referendum. The NDP had committed to one if they changed things. Why are the Liberals unwilling to put their proposed changes to Canadians for approval?

[Smallc]

Changing the way we elect MPs damn well should require a referendum. The NDP had committed to one if they changed things. Why are the Liberals unwilling to put their proposed changes to Canadians for approval?

I don't see a pressing need to change the voting system, unlike many on the left. On the other hand, the fewer things we put to the ignorant masses, the better.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Smallc