overthere Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Dates back to the dinosaur era when women were just expected to work for free.Yet you refuse to endorse paying Laureen Harper for 10 years of exploitation by the taxpayers of Canada. Your selective misogyngy is very disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 What did Harper's hairstylist and makeup artist and piano tuner cost? Will we be cutting Trudeau's hours to a normal 40 hr week so he can assume his half of child care duties? Were they on the payroll? 40 hrs? I remember my first part time job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 What a ludicrous comparison! The chef comes with the house because the occupant will be hosting important visitors on occasion.Every day?No one begrudges that. Bringing your servants in and then putting them on the public dole because your wife couldn't be bothered to look after your kids is something else again. Ya cos kids aren't as important as fancy food ... to a dinosaur. :/ You have old fashioned disparaging uninformed irrelevant opinions about child care. Ie you know nothing about it. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Yet you refuse to endorse paying Laureen Harper for 10 years of exploitation by the taxpayers of Canada. Your selective misogyngy is very disappointing. Only Liberal spouses do anything that's considered "work". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Chriton Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 For those that support Justin on this. Can you answer these questions:1.) If you think this is justified, do you think it should be a taxable benefit for Justin? If not, do you support changing the tax code so that others at 200k+ aren't double taxed in a similar situations.2.) Do you believe the taxpayer should cover nanny costs during future fundraisers and campaign events? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Yes it should be taxable and yes. Edited December 2, 2015 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Just saying, I do kind of agree with this. I'm not against paying for the PM's nannies as part of the job - whether Conservative or Liberal, but agree that the optics on this particular PM are a little bit off because of his campaign - and especially if other PMs with young children did not employ nannies or other child-care help. On the other hand, it has occurred to me that Trudeau also campaigned on openness and transparency. For all we know, the previous administration had nanny care hidden among other household costs and we only have the chance to criticize JT because he's not hiding it. Mulroney did, but he lied and disguised it as "maids".I'll bet Harper did too. Who the hell leaves their kids with maids with no child care expertise? No one. They're lying. . Edited December 2, 2015 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 We had a job open for Prime Minister. That job has a job description and expectations and what perks and responsibilities came with that job. JT applied and went through the job interview process (the campaign). He was successful. The Prime Minister of Canada represents all Canadians. He is the one who speaks for Canada. By questioning miniscule and insignificant actions of the Prime Minister to try to target the party of the current Prime Minister is self defeating. You attack the individual and you demean the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Chriton Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Yes it should be taxable and yes. It seems unlikely he'll pay taxes on this. So, hopefully we agree there is a problem here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 We had a job open for Prime Minister. That job has a job description and expectations and what perks and responsibilities came with that job. JT applied and went through the job interview process (the campaign). He was successful. The Prime Minister of Canada represents all Canadians. He is the one who speaks for Canada. By questioning miniscule and insignificant actions of the Prime Minister to try to target the party of the current Prime Minister is self defeating. You attack the individual and you demean the position. JT is the current PM of Canada. He got that job by saying that the 1% of people. the rich, didn't deserve freebies. Like free child care. He is of that 1%. He is collecting free child care, therefore he is a liar. Surprise, surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I don't care if the Trudeau's have nannies but why are we expected to pick up the tab for two employees that were working for them before he was elected PM? Can't he afford them now that he won't be able to charge for public speaking gigs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Every day? You can't hire a chef part time. Clearly, though, there'll be days when he doesn't have a lot to do, and can keep an eye on the kids. Ya cos kids aren't as important as fancy food ... to a dinosaur. :/ The house belongs to us. The entertainment function of the house is for our benefit and should be paid by us. Trudeau's kids do not belong to us and we bear no responsibility for raising them. You have old fashioned disparaging uninformed irrelevant opinions about child care. Ie you know nothing about it. . . Who raised your kids and how much were they paid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) For those that support Justin on this. Can you answer these questions: 1.) If you think this is justified, do you think it should be a taxable benefit for Justin? If not, do you support changing the tax code so that others at 200k+ aren't double taxed in a similar situations. 2.) Do you believe the taxpayer should cover nanny costs during future fundraisers and campaign events? 1 - sure... or not... don't really care. The PM gets some perks... 2 - if he is the PM in office and needs a nanny, he should get one. You can't hire a chef part time. HUH??? I don't care if the Trudeau's have nannies but why are we expected to pick up the tab for two employees that were working for them before he was elected PM? Can't he afford them now that he won't be able to charge for public speaking gigs? Because he is now PM... The PM gets perks and allowances that others don't. That shouldn't come as a shocker to people. Edited December 2, 2015 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 overthere, on 02 Dec 2015 - 12:19 PM, said: Yet you refuse to endorse paying Laureen Harper for 10 years of exploitation by the taxpayers of Canada. Your selective misogyngy is very disappointing. Only Liberal spouses do anything that's considered "work". If Harper wants to sue us for that money, go ahead. Or ... We could sue Mulroney to pay back the money for his nannies-disguised-as-maids. Who the hell leave their kids with maids untrained and unscreened for child care? Nobody. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) If Harper wants to sue us for that money, go ahead. Or ... We could sue Mulroney to pay back the money for his nannies-disguised-as-maids. Who the hell leave their kids with maids untrained and unscreened for child care? Nobody. . You seem to hate Mulroney with a passion. Why on earth would you drag up something you say he did in order to justify something Trudeau is doing? Very strange. Edited December 2, 2015 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 It seems unlikely he'll pay taxes on this. So, hopefully we agree there is a problem here. That's certainly not a problem he created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) You can't hire a chef part time. Clearly, though, there'll be days when he doesn't have a lot to do, and can keep an eye on the kids.Oh I'm sure he'll be thrilled!We're talking about an 8,6, and 2 year old. Do you know how much work and constant surveillance that is? Obviously not. You should try it sometime. If he has time with nothing to do, he shouldn't be paid for it. But he is not trained/screened for child care. Your lack of knowledge of child care is amusing. . Edited December 2, 2015 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Because he is now PM... The PM gets perks and allowances that others don't. That shouldn't come as a shocker to people. So the answer is, because he can. We all know that but it doesn't justify anything he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 That's certainly not a problem he created. He created a problem when he decided to pus his personal servants on the public payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) You seem to hate Mulroney with a passion. Why on earth would you drag up something you say he did in order to justify something Trudeau is doing? Very strange. I found Mulroney mildly amusing.But he lied about his government paid nannies. Now we're facing the truth, dragging dinosaurs into the 21st century, mostly Conservative men with no real child care experience and little respect for it. 'Oh the cook and the housekeeper can do it!' Ridiculous. . Edited December 2, 2015 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 . Your lack of knowledge of child care is amusing. . Do please gift us with the learned wisdom of all your child care experience? I mean, in all your experience of hiring people to look after children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I found Mulroney mildly amusing. But he lied about his nannies. . You have no evidence of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 For those that support Justin on this. Can you answer these questions: 1.) If you think this is justified, do you think it should be a taxable benefit for Justin? If not, do you support changing the tax code so that others at 200k+ aren't double taxed in a similar situations. 2.) Do you believe the taxpayer should cover nanny costs during future fundraisers and campaign events? 1a.) All things considered, I do not think nannies are an unreasonable expense for a PM - any more than a maid or chef is. While the assumption seems to be that the spouse should take care of the kids, it's also true that the spouse is an important and visible part of the team so in that way, having a nanny would make him/her a more effective and available part of the team. And sure, tax it as a benefit. (If it was Ms. Trudeau heading the country, would there be any question about nannies to help Mr. Trudeau?). 1b.) If the PM is expected to pay out of his pocket than sure, it should come with tax breaks, and the same tax breaks should fairly be provided to other families that employ nannies. 2.) Relative to the overall cost of a tax-payer-funded nanny, I would consider the campaign-related costs to be negligible and too petty to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) You have no evidence of that. It has been cited numerous times in this thread.... Edited December 2, 2015 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 You have no evidence of that. You didn't read the links posted? You have no info if you don't read the evidence posted. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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