DogOnPorch Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 I used a capital L when I should have used a small one. I did too actually, for the first time in my life. Yes...the lesser of several evils. But evil all...make no mistake. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Yes...the lesser of several evils. But evil all...make no mistake. For me it's more, the better fit when nothing quite fits. I don't generally think of people or things as evil unless they show me that they are.
DogOnPorch Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 For me it's more, the better fit when nothing quite fits. I don't generally think of people or things as evil unless they show me that they are. Evil in the comic sense. Not religious...I'm not religious. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) Now who's being prejudiced? There's no denying there's a faction of society that's racist. Are you saying that we're a more racist society then when interracial relationships weren't acceptable? We're a far more frightened society, there are more people in it who are frightened. Way more. It's making them irrational and abrading away an obviously thinner skin than they like to admit to. I hope you're not denying that there's a percentage of Islam that believes in Jihad and of the full implementation of Sharia in the West? I'm certainly not, I just don't think the percentage amounts to anything worth crapping my pants over. I'm way more frightened of all the frightened people and what their fear will make them do. They make the Jihadis you're talking about look like a pea next to a hot-air balloon. Edited December 12, 2015 by eyeball I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 There's no difference in the way you talk about liberals. There is considerable difference. I question the intelligence of their positions while they instead question the morality of mine. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet. ---Hassan al-Banna (founder Muslim Brotherhood) That's an attitude the 'Jihadis' got all by their lonesomes...not from some B-52 strike in the desert. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 There is considerable difference. I question the intelligence of their positions while they instead question the morality of mine. So, you think it's better for someone to call you stupid than evil?
Argus Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) So, you think it's better for someone to call you stupid than evil? They call conservatives both, constantly, even while expressing shocked indignation when anyone generalizes about them, or about any minority or foreign nationality, ethnic group or religion. Edited December 12, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 I don't know, from my perspective, the insults hurled in both directions are usually uncalled for. Evil and stupid are both wrong.
eyeball Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 That's an attitude the 'Jihadis' got all by their lonesomes...not from some B-52 strike in the desert. You're really taken in by how full of themselves these Jihadis get aren't you? Why is it so hard to maintain a grip in the presence of such utter nonsense? It's gotta be an act..I just don't believe you're as all atremble about this as you're implying. Show a few cajones for crying out loud. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 There is considerable difference. I question the intelligence of their positions while they instead question the morality of mine. Your positions have no morality. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Your positions have no morality. <shrug> I'm not sure it's possible for me to care less what your opinion is about me or anything else. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Your sister is Muslim. She is not Islam. As the ol' saying goes....Oskar Schindler was a nice Nazi. You can't say "No Islam" and then pretend you didn't mean Muslims.
Bryan Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 You can't say "No Islam" and then pretend you didn't mean Muslims. You can reject the ideology without rejecting the person. As long as they denounce the prophet and throw out their Koran and hadith, everything's cool.
eyeball Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 <shrug> I'm not sure it's possible for me to care less what your opinion is about me or anything else. I know, your comments communicate that clearly enough. All the same your positions need to be drawn out and put on display so they can be seen for what they are. The depravity of these immoral position's are also their nemesis. You're The Donald of MLW. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
dialamah Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 You can reject the ideology without rejecting the person. As long as they denounce the prophet and throw out their Koran and hadith, everything's cool. And Christians should also throw out the Bible and denounce Jesus because Christianity is just as flawed as Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/ http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/religion/christian-terror-12-examples-of-terrorism-from-the-right/
Big Guy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 I now understand that Bryan, Argus and Rue are on one side of this arguement and I (with others) are on the other side. It gives credibility to the positioning. I feel as if I can sleep a little better tonight. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) And Christians should also throw out the Bible and denounce Jesus because Christianity is just as flawed as Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/ http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/religion/christian-terror-12-examples-of-terrorism-from-the-right/ I would agree that Christianity is flawed, (it's a religion. Duh!) and there are some Christian bastards out there for sure, but by what metric does one compare it to Islam? It can't be body count. I am curious. Are there people on this site who think that Christianity is as bad as Islam, right now? I would do a poll but I don't know how. Edited December 12, 2015 by bcsapper
dialamah Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Are there people on this site who think that Christianity is as bad as Islam, right now? In my mind they are equal - good and bad. Faith can make a person better; it can also make a person worse. It's the individual who decides how to apply whatever their chosen faith teaches. We don't hear much about *Christian* terrorism; all the focus is on Islamic terrorism. How would we, in the West, determine if Christian terrorism took as many lives as Islamic terrorism? Christian terrorist acts don't show up on the news. Consider that guy who killed three people at the abortion clinic; if he'd been a Muslim, the story would have been much different. But he wasn't, so instead of it being a 'Christian terrorist' act, instead, it's just a crazy guy. The anti-abortionists are motivated by Christian teachings - so why does this guy get a pass, but a Muslim doing the exact same thing would not? Not to mention that terrorism is in the eye of the beholder, or in this case - victim. A family working their farm and targeted by a US drone isn't likely to see that as anything but terrorism, but our side would call that 'collateral damage', an unfortunate side effect of war. Civilians, including children, injured or killed by Western bombs that were slightly off target aren't even worth mentioning on our side; how do you suppose the other side feels about that? Do you not think that counts as terrorism from their perspective? Given that the State especially, but also the UK and Canada, identify primarily as 'Christian nations', I wouldn't be surprised if Christian killings outnumbered that of Islamist terrorists - if we had even a chance of finding out the real numbers.
Guest Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) In my mind they are equal - good and bad. Faith can make a person better; it can also make a person worse. It's the individual who decides how to apply whatever their chosen faith teaches. We don't hear much about *Christian* terrorism; all the focus is on Islamic terrorism. How would we, in the West, determine if Christian terrorism took as many lives as Islamic terrorism? Christian terrorist acts don't show up on the news. Consider that guy who killed three people at the abortion clinic; if he'd been a Muslim, the story would have been much different. But he wasn't, so instead of it being a 'Christian terrorist' act, instead, it's just a crazy guy. The anti-abortionists are motivated by Christian teachings - so why does this guy get a pass, but a Muslim doing the exact same thing would not? Not to mention that terrorism is in the eye of the beholder, or in this case - victim. A family working their farm and targeted by a US drone isn't likely to see that as anything but terrorism, but our side would call that 'collateral damage', an unfortunate side effect of war. Civilians, including children, injured or killed by Western bombs that were slightly off target aren't even worth mentioning on our side; how do you suppose the other side feels about that? Do you not think that counts as terrorism from their perspective? Given that the State especially, but also the UK and Canada, identify primarily as 'Christian nations', I wouldn't be surprised if Christian killings outnumbered that of Islamist terrorists - if we had even a chance of finding out the real numbers. I disagree. Do these states that "Identify primarily as Christian" go out and kill because their God told them to? Is blasphemy punishable by death in the UK, Canada and the US? How about Homosexuality? Apostasy? Will women ever be allowed to vote in those countries, the same way they are now allowed to vote in Saudi Arabia? I hope so, don't you? It is a fair point, though, the one you make about the individual, and one I have made myself. I asked the question the way I did because your post stated Christianity was just as flawed as Islam. If you want to carry on the thought about individuals, I put it to you that currently, there are far more flawed Muslims than Christians. Edited December 12, 2015 by bcsapper
Bryan Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 And Christians should also throw out the Bible and denounce Jesus because Christianity is just as flawed as Islam. Jesus categorically denounced violence, and he lived by example. Mohammed ordered his followers to commit violence and he lived by example.
Smallc Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Oh? It was the Prophet Muhammad that once said: "Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself." The Qur'an says: "There is no compulsion in religion." http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/meliha-hayat/why-the-prophet-muhammad-would-condemn-violence_b_6433120.html It seems that everyone gets from each religion what they want.
Guest Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Oh? It was the Prophet Muhammad that once said: "Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself." The Qur'an says: "There is no compulsion in religion." http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/meliha-hayat/why-the-prophet-muhammad-would-condemn-violence_b_6433120.html It seems that everyone gets from each religion what they want. Not me. If I got what I wanted they'd all **** off!
Smallc Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Not me. If I got what I wanted they'd all **** off! I am in agreement with that. I have no place for any fictional book as a source of knowledge in my life.
Bryan Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 I now understand that Bryan, Argus and Rue are on one side of this arguement and I (with others) are on the other side. It gives credibility to the positioning. I feel as if I can sleep a little better tonight. It means a few of us are able to speak on this topic from a position of knowledge, while you (like some others) are not.
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