DogOnPorch Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, dialamah said: I was wondering when you'd show up with your narrow definition of Muslims, favored by fanatics all over the world. You are one of the worse hate/fear mongers on this forum, and I'm calling you out for it. You, along with Argus and others of your ilk, are the ones creating a space in which some unbalanced kid thinks he needs to go out and "do something" - shoot up a Mosque, or run down a family. Good on ya, please join the rest of the group in the 'people I don't want in Canada' category. Now now, don't cry - you and Argus would refuse my sister life in Canada, were it in your power, based on nothing more than your hatred of Muslims. At least my dislike of you is based on your words, and not on something irrelevant - like where you live. I don't hate Muslims. You said that. You're free to show me how I've got Islam all wrong by providing examples...not by calling me names. You're merely reinforcing my perception that you're not able to. So where in the Quran does it say love thy neighbor? Edited June 9, 2021 by DogOnPorch 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: So where in the Quran does it say love thy neighbor? Does not Islam condone martyrdom? Yes it does. to be martyred in the name of allah is the highest level of a muslim 1
Guest Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I don't hate Muslims. You said that. They need that. If you (or I) don't hate Muslims, what we have to say about Islam will have to be addressed. Better we just hate them. It's a lot easier to deal with.
DogOnPorch Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, OftenWrong said: Does not Islam condone martyrdom? Yes it does. to be martyred in the name of allah is the highest level of a muslim Himmler referred to Islam as a warrior's religion...he seemed to understand it better than some folks around here. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: They need that. If you (or I) don't hate Muslims, what we have to say about Islam will have to be addressed. Better we just hate them. It's a lot easier to deal with. Indeed...shut-up and pay no mind the the beheadings. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) On 6/9/2021 at 9:07 AM, DogOnPorch said: Indeed...shut-up and pay no mind the the beheadings. The muslim leaders who call out fatwas, which is a fancy word for targeted killing. Like Salman Rushdie for his book. Haven't seen that in any other religion. The ayatollahs are spiritual leaders for millions of muslims. They regularly call for execution and assassination of people who dare say a critical word. Not exactly from the good spirit, I tell you. That is the sum and final conclusion of Mohammedanism. Edited June 10, 2021 by OftenWrong 1
DogOnPorch Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: The muslim leaders who call out fatwas, which is a fancy word for targeted killing. Like Salman Rushdie for his book. Haven't seen that in any other religion. The ayatollahs are spiritual leaders for millions of muslims. They regularly call for execution and assassination of people who dare say a critical word. Not exactly from the good spirit, I tell you. That is the sum and final outcome of their philosophy. That Islam's supporters here need to defend Islam's violent practices rather than boast about its peaceful practices is rather indicative of the general "goodness" of Islam. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Yzermandius19 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, bcsapper said: They need that. If you (or I) don't hate Muslims, what we have to say about Islam will have to be addressed. Better we just hate them. It's a lot easier to deal with. this is called cognitive dissonance demonizing the messenger to provide justification to ignore a message they don't want to think through is a telltale sign of that phenomenon Edited June 9, 2021 by Yzermandius19 1
DogOnPorch Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 As for this apparent targeted attack...don't know a damn thing about it and do not subscribe to the collective guilt that all non-Muslims are supposed to feel now...on command I might add. Waving dead children under my nose and telling me I'm to blame somehow isn't gonna fly. 2 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: this is called cognitive dissonance demonizing the messenger to provide justification to ignore a message they don't want to think through is a telltale sign of that phenomenon Indeed...this is Islam, too. But we mustn't mention it... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: That Islam's supporters here need to defend Islam's violent practices rather than boast about its peaceful practices is rather indicative of the general "goodness" of Islam. I recall you raised a challenge to our resident Islam supporters, go ahead and report on good things about Islam then. Still waiting for those reports. I guess they'd rather point the finger at you. You are intensely disliked, lol 1
Argus Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 15 hours ago, bcsapper said: Not confused. Baffled. I just can't get where the disconnect between advocating for gay rights, women's right, etc, and supporting a religion like Islam occurs. It's weird. No. It's that deep Liberal bigotry at work. They perceive Muslims as 'brown people'. And brown people are their responsibility. It's their job to take care of them and defend them. Therefore anyone who attacks Islam or the Islamic world or the proven beliefs of its followers is attacking their 'charge' so to speak. It's their noble (self-appointed) duty to protect their charges, for they aren't, well, quite human, you see. They're not capable of defending themselves. They need noble, self-sacrificing white people to look after them. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 15 hours ago, dialamah said: Only because you mistake calling out people for expressing ignorance and hate is the same as supporting Islam. Oh, give us a break. You have spent your entire time on this web site defending Islam. It's without question the number one topic you engage in and always to defend Islam. And that 'ignorance and hate' you speak of is how you describe any and all criticism of Islam and any and all doubts about bringing tens of thousands of Muslim immigrants to Canada every year. According to Pew polling, virtually every country in middle east would vote to impose Sharia law if given the choice. And yet you insist that most Muslims aren't at all fanatical about such things and that there's no need to screen such people before they come here. 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I recall you raised a challenge to our resident Islam supporters, go ahead and report on good things about Islam then. Still waiting for those reports. I guess they'd rather point the finger at you. You are intensely disliked, lol how about the preservation of western civilization after the fall of the Roman Empire? how about arabic numerals? how about algebra? they lead in the world in mathematics, architecture, medicine, physics, chemistry, astronomy and navigation, etc. for a long period of time Islamic golden age anyone? if you don't think that Islam has ever had any good things about it then you really aren't looking very hard at all Edited June 9, 2021 by Yzermandius19
Argus Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 14 hours ago, dialamah said: Why don't you object to Argus's claim that if a woman is wearing a hijab, she must be fanatical/fundamentalist? Why does she wear it? Have you ever asked her? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 14 hours ago, dialamah said: Really? Argus can accuse my neighbor and my brother in law of lying - Because they're Muslims. Argus can accuse them of hating gays - because they're Muslim. Argus can accuse them of supporting wife abuse - because they're Muslim. Far be it for me to suggest you're making shit up here, distorting my words or taking them out of context. I'm sure YOU would never do such a thing... ? 14 hours ago, dialamah said: Their words, their actual actions and the way they live their life doesn't matter - They're Muslim, Might I suggest also that I don't know these people even exist? As opposed to being characters you made up to support your narrative. If you want to argue a convincing point on the internet you need logic and evidence not "Well, I have a wonderful brother in law who doesn't believe that, so all those polls and surveys and all those stories must be wrong." 14 hours ago, dialamah said: As far as I know, no one has ever accused you of exhibiting such overt ignorance and hatred. MH just accused him of supporting the murder of this family. Did you miss that? 14 hours ago, dialamah said: But it's odd that you take it personally if anyone should call Argus et all out for their demonizing of Muslims. Why is that? Why did you even bother answering MH, if what he said did not apply to you? Do you feel some kinship with Argus et al? Do you perhaps feel the same as they do - and are hiding behind what they are saying, rather than saying it yourself? Because if what MH initially said didn't apply to you, why did you step up? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 13 hours ago, bcsapper said: Trying to reconcile the fact that countries, entire countries, are run based on a law that itself is based on a fairy tale. And not a nice fairy tale, either. One of the really brutal ones. And people who normally will man the barricades for minority rights suddenly find themselves with other things to do. Shady's meme posted earlier is quite appropriate. I'm reminded again of a panel discussion Douglas Murray was involved in some years ago. Murray is that oddity, a gay conservative. And he was talking about people he knew who nobly informed him that they protested the visit of the pope because of the Catholic church's stance on gay marriage. His words were to the effect that "You know, I wish the church would allow gay marriage but they're not going to. Meanwhile, I wish the people who are so proud to say they protested against the pope would spare a little condemnation for the religion who don't just want to stop me marrying but want to throw me off a f*** ing building." "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: how about the preservation of western civilization after the fall of the Roman Empire? Uh, you are aware they CAUSED the fall of the Roman Empire, aren't you? It used to be centered in Turkey. 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: how about arabic numerals? So-called Arabic numerals actually originated in India. 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: how about algebra? Developed long before Islam appeared. 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: they lead in the world in mathematics, architecture, medicine, physics, chemistry, astronomy and navigation, etc. They do? As far as I'm aware the tiny world population of Jews has far, far, far more Nobel prizes for science, mathematics, medicine, etc. than then entire Muslim world. Or are you talking historically? The so-called golden age of Islam has been exaggerated, and was filled with vicious attacks on their neighbors. And Islam turned away from science long ago. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Argus said: Uh, you are aware they CAUSED the fall of the Roman Empire, aren't you? It used to be centered in Turkey. So-called Arabic numerals actually originated in India. Developed long before Islam appeared. They do? As far as I'm aware the tiny world population of Jews has far, far, far more Nobel prizes for science, mathematics, medicine, etc. than then entire Muslim world. Or are you talking historically? The so-called golden age of Islam has been exaggerated, and was filled with vicious attacks on their neighbors. And Islam turned away from science long ago. I am aware the Ottoman's conquered the Eastern Roman Empire arabic numerals were spread by Islam to the rest of the world, because of their dominance of the seas Islam may have borrowed much from others, but they were major innovators as well algebra has an arabic name for a reason, Islam were world leaders in algebra for a very long time, and others took notice as a result I am speaking historically, when Islam turned away from science, their golden age went with it even before the Mongols burned down the House of Wisdom regardless of whether the Islamic Golden Age has been exaggerated or not the point of my response was that some people can't think of anything good about Islam so I am pointing out of some of the good they objectively did Edited June 9, 2021 by Yzermandius19
Argus Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the point of my response was that some people can't think of anything good about Islam so I am pointing out of some of the good they objectively did Okay. So can you think of anything good about Islam TODAY? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Argus said: Okay. So can you think of anything good about Islam TODAY? Khabib Nurmagomedov is the greatest lightweight of all time and the most dominant fighter in the world today Edited June 9, 2021 by Yzermandius19
Yzermandius19 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) for those who think there is nothing good about Islam sit down be humble Edited June 9, 2021 by Yzermandius19
OftenWrong Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: how about the preservation of western civilization after the fall of the Roman Empire? how about arabic numerals? how about algebra? they lead in the world in mathematics, architecture, medicine and astronomy for a long period of time Islamic golden age anyone? Sure. How about something after World War 1? What have you done for me lately Edited June 9, 2021 by OftenWrong
Yzermandius19 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Sure. How about something before World War 1? What have you done for me lately look up be humble Khabib Knows Edited June 9, 2021 by Yzermandius19
OftenWrong Posted June 9, 2021 Report Posted June 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: look up be humble Khabib Knows In the 19th and 20th century their culture collapsed into a cesspool. All the knowledge about science, math, architecture... all lost, washed away like tears. It's not about the great achievements of a culture anyway, what we are talking about is the attitude of individuals, persons in the street. Are their beliefs based on the principle of the golden rule? No, they are not. The philosophy of Islam is based on oppression of human rights and people's dignity by a totalitarian ruling class. Islamofascism is a thing. Hence it becomes clear why Islam "resonates" with the left.
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