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32 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't think any of us on  here would pull someone's veil off on the subway, or shoot someone in a mosque.

That's not the only defining characteristic of Islamaphobia.   It's also the rhetoric of fear that Muslims are taking over and are determined to subject us all to Islam, through fair means or foul, that fuel those actions.   That fear believes every hyperbolic story in the media and ignores or dismisses any suggestion or evidence that these stories aren't representative of Muslims in general.   That attitude is pretty endemic on MLW.  I think the general public is less Islamaphobic than the MLW population, or maybe I just hope so.

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3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

That's not the only defining characteristic of Islamaphobia.   It's also the rhetoric of fear that Muslims are taking over and are determined to subject us all to Islam, through fair means or foul, that fuel those actions.   That fear believes every hyperbolic story in the media and ignores or dismisses any suggestion or evidence that these stories aren't representative of Muslims in general.   That attitude is pretty endemic on MLW.  I think the general public is less Islamaphobic than the MLW population, or maybe I just hope so.

 

What does this particular verse in the Quran REALLY mean, then?

And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

https://quran.com/8/39

I could swear it tells Muslims to fight the Unbeliever until all religion is Islam...but ask your sister what it really means.

Posted
19 minutes ago, dialamah said:

That's not the only defining characteristic of Islamaphobia.   It's also the rhetoric of fear that Muslims are taking over and are determined to subject us all to Islam, through fair means or foul, that fuel those actions.   That fear believes every hyperbolic story in the media and ignores or dismisses any suggestion or evidence that these stories aren't representative of Muslims in general.   That attitude is pretty endemic on MLW.  I think the general public is less Islamaphobic than the MLW population, or maybe I just hope so.

They are taking over.

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2634032/hate-crimes-against-muslim-canadians-more-than-doubled-in-3-years/

Hate crimes against Muslims appear to be growing exponentially.  If MLW is any indication, there certainly seems to be a lot of animosity against Muslims these days.

Seriously? People are fed up worldwide being held hostage to ridiculous ideology.  Just read a paper or turn on your TV...it's not just on MLW, and it certainly isn't race bias. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

The Quran orders Muslims to FIGHT the unbeliever. You're free to disbelieve that this particular verse exists.

You didn't answer my question though.  I'll be more succinct: do you advocate for violence against Muslims in Canada, generally ?  Based on your beliefs with regards to the religion it seems so to me.

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Just now, Michael Hardner said:

You didn't answer my question though.  I'll be more succinct: do you advocate for violence against Muslims in Canada, generally ?  Based on your beliefs with regards to the religion it seems so to me.

 

You're way off in left field. The Quran orders Muslims to fight the unbeliever until ALL RELIGION (that includes atheism) is FOR ALLAH. They advocate violence. Not moi.

But sure...blame Islamophobia for the Quran's own predilection for violence

 

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Posted
Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Let's try to pin this down: attacks happen against Muslims who haven't committed violence.  Are these attacks justified to you or not ?

 

What attacks? Like chopping-off heads...blowing-up cafes?

Or saying unkind things like go back to the Middle East?

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2634032/hate-crimes-against-muslim-canadians-more-than-doubled-in-3-years/

Hate crimes against Muslims appear to be growing exponentially.  If MLW is any indication, there certainly seems to be a lot of animosity against Muslims these days.

The animosity is mostly towards the political ideology they embrace. Is it wrong of me to dislike Communism? How about Fascism? That's okay, right? Why is it immoral for me to dislike Islam?

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"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I disagree.  Clearly there's no way to assert with confidence that the crimes reported in the Global TV link are justified.

No, nor not. Most are probably trash talking drunks, though. And even then we're talking about a very, very small number.

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"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

So is said violence justified then ?

Most of the hate crimes in your link did not involve violence.  I also note there were 242 incidents directed at Jews but only 45 at Muslims. So how come nobody is complaining about the hate crimes against Jews?

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"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Let's try to pin this down: attacks happen against Muslims who haven't committed violence.  Are these attacks justified to you or not ?

That would depend on the reason.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

Posted
10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I have tried to ask you several times.  I will stop now.

One can only conclude the answer is yes, DoP just doesn't want to admit it.  

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