dialamah Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 32 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I don't think any of us on here would pull someone's veil off on the subway, or shoot someone in a mosque. That's not the only defining characteristic of Islamaphobia. It's also the rhetoric of fear that Muslims are taking over and are determined to subject us all to Islam, through fair means or foul, that fuel those actions. That fear believes every hyperbolic story in the media and ignores or dismisses any suggestion or evidence that these stories aren't representative of Muslims in general. That attitude is pretty endemic on MLW. I think the general public is less Islamaphobic than the MLW population, or maybe I just hope so.
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: That's not the only defining characteristic of Islamaphobia. It's also the rhetoric of fear that Muslims are taking over and are determined to subject us all to Islam, through fair means or foul, that fuel those actions. That fear believes every hyperbolic story in the media and ignores or dismisses any suggestion or evidence that these stories aren't representative of Muslims in general. That attitude is pretty endemic on MLW. I think the general public is less Islamaphobic than the MLW population, or maybe I just hope so. What does this particular verse in the Quran REALLY mean, then? And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do. https://quran.com/8/39 I could swear it tells Muslims to fight the Unbeliever until all religion is Islam...but ask your sister what it really means. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 44 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Why no Hinduphobia hotline? Hmmmm? I answered that above. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
drummindiver Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, dialamah said: That's not the only defining characteristic of Islamaphobia. It's also the rhetoric of fear that Muslims are taking over and are determined to subject us all to Islam, through fair means or foul, that fuel those actions. That fear believes every hyperbolic story in the media and ignores or dismisses any suggestion or evidence that these stories aren't representative of Muslims in general. That attitude is pretty endemic on MLW. I think the general public is less Islamaphobic than the MLW population, or maybe I just hope so. They are taking over. 2
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I answered that above. Not really: why is Islam detested while Hinduism is welcomed? Edited May 3, 2017 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
drummindiver Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: http://globalnews.ca/news/2634032/hate-crimes-against-muslim-canadians-more-than-doubled-in-3-years/ Hate crimes against Muslims appear to be growing exponentially. If MLW is any indication, there certainly seems to be a lot of animosity against Muslims these days. Seriously? People are fed up worldwide being held hostage to ridiculous ideology. Just read a paper or turn on your TV...it's not just on MLW, and it certainly isn't race bias. 1
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Not really: why is Islam detested while Hinduism is welcomed? I think that it's a response to Islamic terrorists. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, drummindiver said: They are taking over. Seeing we're seeing the start of Islamic blasphemy laws here in Canada, tend to agree. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: I think that it's a response to Islamic terrorists. The Quran orders Muslims to FIGHT the unbeliever. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, drummindiver said: Seriously? People are fed up worldwide being held hostage to ridiculous ideology. Just read a paper or turn on your TV...it's not just on MLW, and it certainly isn't race bias. I characterized the reasons why I think it's happening. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 20 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The Quran orders Muslims to FIGHT the unbeliever. So is said violence justified then ? Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Michael Hardner said: So is said violence justified then ? The Quran orders Muslims to FIGHT the unbeliever. You're free to disbelieve that this particular verse exists. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The Quran orders Muslims to FIGHT the unbeliever. You're free to disbelieve that this particular verse exists. You didn't answer my question though. I'll be more succinct: do you advocate for violence against Muslims in Canada, generally ? Based on your beliefs with regards to the religion it seems so to me. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Michael Hardner said: You didn't answer my question though. I'll be more succinct: do you advocate for violence against Muslims in Canada, generally ? Based on your beliefs with regards to the religion it seems so to me. You're way off in left field. The Quran orders Muslims to fight the unbeliever until ALL RELIGION (that includes atheism) is FOR ALLAH. They advocate violence. Not moi. But sure...blame Islamophobia for the Quran's own predilection for violence 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: They advocate violence. Not moi. Let's try to pin this down: attacks happen against Muslims who haven't committed violence. Are these attacks justified to you or not ? Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Michael Hardner said: Let's try to pin this down: attacks happen against Muslims who haven't committed violence. Are these attacks justified to you or not ? What attacks? Like chopping-off heads...blowing-up cafes? Or saying unkind things like go back to the Middle East? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: What attacks? I have tried to ask you several times. I will stop now. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I have tried to ask you several times. I will stop now. So you have no attacks on Muslims by nasty Islamophobes to reference? Not surprised. DOP 1 Mike 0 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: http://globalnews.ca/news/2634032/hate-crimes-against-muslim-canadians-more-than-doubled-in-3-years/ Hate crimes against Muslims appear to be growing exponentially. If MLW is any indication, there certainly seems to be a lot of animosity against Muslims these days. The animosity is mostly towards the political ideology they embrace. Is it wrong of me to dislike Communism? How about Fascism? That's okay, right? Why is it immoral for me to dislike Islam? Edited May 3, 2017 by Argus 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I disagree. Clearly there's no way to assert with confidence that the crimes reported in the Global TV link are justified. No, nor not. Most are probably trash talking drunks, though. And even then we're talking about a very, very small number. Edited May 3, 2017 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: So is said violence justified then ? Most of the hate crimes in your link did not involve violence. I also note there were 242 incidents directed at Jews but only 45 at Muslims. So how come nobody is complaining about the hate crimes against Jews? Edited May 3, 2017 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Let's try to pin this down: attacks happen against Muslims who haven't committed violence. Are these attacks justified to you or not ? That would depend on the reason. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I have tried to ask you several times. I will stop now. One can only conclude the answer is yes, DoP just doesn't want to admit it.
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: One can only conclude the answer is yes, DoP just doesn't want to admit it. Do you still beat your children? Two can play Mike's game. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 I can only conclude that since you didn't immediately post that you do not beat your children...that you in fact do. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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