waldo Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 So In Cologne, they have an extra 2500 police on hand for Carnival, they've had to illuminate certain areas and close down other areas, spend an extra half million dollars on security and bring in Brits with facial recognition technology. And, the attendance for the event is way down. timely; like descriptions appearing in a wide assortment of articles... also inclusive of what appears to be, after a period of time, final summary stats related to the same Cologne city's New Years Day criminality; described typically as, "more than 100 identified victims, a total of 945 complaints to Cologne police, 559 of them allegations of sexual assault... with 35 suspects being investigated. Crime generally described relative to, "gangs of drunken men - described as North African - targeting women." and yes, thanks to MLW member 'kimmy' for her earlier post that offered a highlighted criminal stat for those described "North Africans", along with the statement, ""Virtually none of the North Africans arriving in Germany have proven to be genuine refugees"! Unfortunately, the crime stat was just a high percentage number, offered without qualification... like, for instance, it didn't actually elaborate on the types/severity of crime involved, it didn't speak to the related social dynamics at play (like not being able to legally work and the obvious negative impact that would have on societal integration), it didn't qualify the demographic/age nature of those North African 'asylum seekers', didn't even speak to the legitimacy of the 'asylum seeker' designations in the first place, etc.. .
Hal 9000 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 timely; like descriptions appearing in a wide assortment of articles... also inclusive of what appears to be, after a period of time, final summary stats related to the same Cologne city's New Years Day criminality; described typically as, "more than 100 identified victims, a total of 945 complaints to Cologne police, 559 of them allegations of sexual assault... with 35 suspects being investigated. Crime generally described relative to, "gangs of drunken men - described as North African - targeting women." and yes, thanks to MLW member 'kimmy' for her earlier post that offered a highlighted criminal stat for those described "North Africans", along with the statement, ""Virtually none of the North Africans arriving in Germany have proven to be genuine refugees"! Unfortunately, the crime stat was just a high percentage number, offered without qualification... like, for instance, it didn't actually elaborate on the types/severity of crime involved, it didn't speak to the related social dynamics at play (like not being able to legally work and the obvious negative impact that would have on societal integration), it didn't qualify the demographic/age nature of those North African 'asylum seekers', didn't even speak to the legitimacy of the 'asylum seeker' designations in the first place, etc.. . You're not trying to make the point that being out of work entitles or absolves you to abuse, grope, rob and even rape women...are you The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Boges Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 You're not trying to make the point that being out of work entitles or absolves you to abuse, grope, rob and even rape women...are you Only if you're aren't White and/or Christian.
Hal 9000 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Only if you're aren't White and/or Christian. Oh, I get it now. If you're white and you abuse, grope, rob and rape women, you are a criminal and sex offender, but if you're a muslim and you abuse, grope, rob and rape women...you're a victim! This group has taught me so much. Edited February 4, 2016 by Hal 9000 The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Oh, I get it now. If you're white and you abuse, grope, rob and rape women, you are a criminal and sex offender, but if you're a muslim and you abuse, grope, rob and rape women...you're a victim! This group has taught me so much. No I think you brought that idea to the table all by your lonesome.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Oh, I get it now. If you're white and you abuse, grope, rob and rape women, you are a criminal and sex offender, but if you're a muslim and you abuse, grope, rob and rape women...you're a victim! This group has taught me so much. Islam has zero to do with skin colour. Anybody can convert. But I get your point. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hal 9000 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Islam has zero to do with skin colour. Anybody can convert. But I get your point. If what Waldo implied is true, there does seem to be a lot of advantages to converting to Islam...for men anyway. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 If what Waldo implied is true, there does seem to be a lot of advantages to converting to Islam...for men anyway. Islam is a warrior's religion. The surest way to get to sit in the seat next to Mohammad in Heaven is to die fighting in the name of Islam. This seems the most obvious carrot to me. Certainly, Islam is also extremely misogynistic. Women are regarded as breeding devices for more warriors. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 No I think you brought that idea to the table all by your lonesome.The logic that flies around here is like talking to small children.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Islam is a warrior's religion. The surest way to get to sit in the seat next to Mohammad in Heaven is to die fighting in the name of Islam. This seems the most obvious carrot to me. Certainly, Islam is also extremely misogynistic. Women are regarded as breeding devices for more warriors. Do you have a little something for us from the Koran to back that up or are we just talking continuing xenophobia here?
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Certainly. http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/bh1/bh1_24.htm Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Certainly. http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/bh1/bh1_24.htm I'm afraid that says nothing to back your claim. Try again, or...maybe just leave it.
Boges Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) I'm afraid that says nothing to back your claim. Try again, or...maybe just leave it. So your definition of Jihad is different from the conventional definition? jihad noun ji·had \ji-ˈhäd, chiefly British -ˈhad\ Simple Definition of jihad Popularity: Top 30% of words : a war fought by Muslims to defend or spread their beliefs Full Definition of jihad 1: a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty; also : a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline 2: a crusade for a principle or belief Edited February 4, 2016 by Boges
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 I'm afraid that says nothing to back your claim. Try again, or...maybe just leave it. It says exactly what it says: #2: He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." Right after believing in Allah and his Prophet. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 So your definition of Jihad is different from the conventional definition? The Quran and Hadiths are both very clear as to the real meaning of Jihad. For example... http://quran.com/2/216 http://quran.com/2/244 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Anyways...to address Islamophobia: Islamophobia today is akin to claiming Nazi-phobia as the Panzers cruised across France in 1940. That bird might have flown in 2002... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 So your definition of Jihad is different from the conventional definition?What do we call wars fought by capitalists to open up markets and spread their beliefs?
Boges Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 What do we call wars fought by capitalists to open up markets and spread their beliefs? Not Jihad.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 The Quran and Hadiths are both very clear as to the real meaning of Jihad. For example... http://quran.com/2/216 http://quran.com/2/244 I think we all know what jihad refers to. Of course you didn't bother to back up your comment re: women.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Not Jihad. Some will claim that Jihad = Inner Struggle. As one can see from a read of The Quran 4:95 puts that myth to bed. These are Jihad's exceptions/exemptions. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Some will claim that Jihad = Inner Struggle. As one can see from a read of The Quran 4:95 puts that myth to bed. These are Jihad's exceptions/exemptions. So Mein Kampf then? Opps GODWINED!!!
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 I think we all know what jihad refers to. Of course you didn't bother to back up your comment re: women. I highly doubt you understand Jihad. I think there's a vision you personally have of it that you hope lines-up with reality. Alas... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 So Mein Kampf then? Opps GODWINED!!! If Jihad = Inner Struggle...why leave-out the aged, infirm, blind, etc? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 I highly doubt you understand Jihad. I think there's a vision you personally have of it that you hope lines-up with reality. Alas... So you continue to ignore the misogyny, OK. Do you happen to know the Arabic word for war? Give you a hint, it's not jihad.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 So you continue to ignore the misogyny, OK. Do you happen to know the Arabic word for war? Give you a hint, it's not jihad. Do you seriously want me to point-out misogyny in Islam? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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