On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Do you seriously want me to point-out misogyny in Islam? No, I'd like you to answer my initial question as to where you seem to suggest the Koran says women are nothing more than breeding devices.
Argus Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) I think we all know what jihad refers to. Of course you didn't bother to back up your comment re: women. The supporters of fundamentalist Islam continually deny that it treats women any worse than women in the west... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35325072 Edited February 4, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 I highly doubt you understand Jihad. I think there's a vision you personally have of it that you hope lines-up with reality. Alas... I am quite sure you can find an interpretation of the Koran that suits whatever avenue you choose to go down, whatever it may be.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 No, I'd like you to answer my initial question as to where you seem to suggest the Koran says women are nothing more than breeding devices. There are NUMEROUS passages in the Quran/Hadiths that inform women of their place in the whole scheme of things. Bukhari 1:29 being one example from the Hadiths... http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/002-sbt.php#001.002.029 And Quran 2 223 being another... http://quran.com/2/223 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 I am quite sure you can find an interpretation of the Koran that suits whatever avenue you choose to go down, whatever it may be. There is only one Quran. My book copy would be the same as yours. The site I prefer has all the major translations as well as modern Arabic. http://quran.com/ Do you have an issue with this particular website? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 There is only one Quran. My book copy would be the same as yours. The site I prefer has all the major translations as well as modern Arabic. http://quran.com/ Do you have an issue with this particular website? Do you have a problem with this one? http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Do you have a problem with this one? http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9 It is not the Quran. I don't need help to read a book. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 It is not the Quran. I don't need help to read a book. Oh, so you read Arabic then?
Argus Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) To the true Islamic fundamentalist (and their supporters), only Arabic matters, for that was the language of the prophet. Edited February 4, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Oh, so you read Arabic then? Does one need to understand modern Arabic to understand the Quran? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 The logic that flies around here is like talking to small children. It does devolve to that at times.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 To the true Islamic fundamentalist (and their supporters), only Arabic matters, for that was the language of the prophet. Ancient Arabic and modern Arabic are two different critters. Iran would also beg to differ re: Arabic...heh. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Does one need to understand modern Arabic to understand the Quran? So you don't then. As I said, there are numerous english interpretations. The one I linked for you probably has one you don't like so you'll of course dismiss it.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) So you don't then. As I said, there are numerous english interpretations. The one I linked for you probably has one you don't like so you'll of course dismiss it. That's known as a straw-man argument. Kindly stop doing it, please. I've pointed you to the site I use which I said has Arabic as well as ALL the English translations. Until I actually dismiss a translation, you're just punching straw. One does NOT need to be Arab or understand modern Arabic to be a Muslim or understand the Quran/Hadiths (written long ago). This is known as a fact. Ask an Indonesian Muslim...et al. Edited February 4, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 That's known as a straw-man argument. Kindly stop doing it, please. I've pointed you to the site I use which I said has Arabic as well as ALL the English translations. Until I actually dismiss a translation, you're just punching straw. One does NOT need to be or understand modern Arabic to be a Muslim or understand the Quran/Hadiths (written long ago). This is known as a fact. Ask an Indonesian Muslim...et al. Alright so agreed then. You go by the translation that suits you, as will I.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Alright so agreed then. You go by the translation that suits you, as will I. Again...you misrepresent. That's not what I wrote. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Alright so agreed then. You go by the translation that suits you, as will I. Can you provide an alternative translation that's correct?
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Again...you misrepresent. That's not what I wrote. Still waiting for your selected Koranic interpretation which shows women are nothing more than breeding devices.
Boges Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Still waiting for your selected Koranic interpretation which shows women are nothing more than breeding devices. Perhaps the Koran doesn't say that. But many Muslims seem to think that way as a cultural practice. I find that more worrisome.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Still waiting for your selected Koranic interpretation which shows women are nothing more than breeding devices. Already done. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Perhaps the Koran doesn't say that. But many Muslims seem to think that way as a cultural practice. I find that more worrisome. It does though...I posted the link. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Can you provide an alternative translation that's correct? I provided a link, however I certainly can't assume it's correctness as I certainly don't speak Arabic. I'm simply pointing out the discrepancies. Can you provide one?
DogOnPorch Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Just since folks seem a tad confused: classical Arabic (from ancient times) is NOT modern Arabic. Try reading the Canterbury Tales in Old English to understand this 'effect'. Even modern Arabic is a translation. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Perhaps the Koran doesn't say that. But many Muslims seem to think that way as a cultural practice. I find that more worrisome. I agree totally that some of the cultural practices in some countries are worrisome. Especially what I have seen myself in some of those countries, especially the poorer ones where, such as Afghanistan, where something like 80% of the people are illiterate. However I am also concerned how (some) people rush to judgement regarding the whole of the culture and use whatever interpretation they can find of the actual tenets of the religion to back them up. A lot of the same folks seem to ignore that the same attacks have been made about most religions, especially, and including Christianity, which had many extremely violent facets.
Shady Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Are we still discussing Islamophobia in Canada? As if it's a pressing issue?
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