Long Form Census

[drummindiver]

But why would you not fill out the Long Form Census form?

Sorry, are you seriously asking, or are you being facetious? My question is sincere.

Regardless, if I am busy, I may not have time. I may forget. I may not want to sit for hours filling out information to give the government more info on me when they clearly already have enough.

I may be opposed to doing it for religious, or political reasons.

I may think like much of the Liberal agenda it's a big waste of money.

And if I feel any of these ways, and even if the government has enough information with the shorter census, they can throw me in jail.

Yes the leftist in this group thought the Conservatives infringed on us too much. Sheesh.

[Queenmandy85]

Sorry, are you seriously asking, or are you being facetious? My question is sincere.

Regardless, if I am busy, I may not have time. I may forget. I may not want to sit for hours filling out information to give the government more info on me when they clearly already have enough.

I may be opposed to doing it for religious, or political reasons.

I may think like much of the Liberal agenda it's a big waste of money.

And if I feel any of these ways, and even if the government has enough information with the shorter census, they can throw me in jail.

Yes the leftist in this group thought the Conservatives infringed on us too much. Sheesh.

I'm not being facetious. If you have time to post on forums like this, you obviously have time to fill out a census form. If you are that forgetful, perhaps you should take steps to overcome that. Unless you are a Seventh Day Adventist, religion can't be a reason and if you are a JW, why would you be on a political forum? It wastes more money for the Government to provide services without accurate data.

You are obviously a law abiding citizen because you face the possibility of going to jail without any idea of what that entails.

As a citizen, a Christian, and a Conservative, I see the census as a duty, not an option.

[drummindiver]

I'm not being facetious. If you have time to post on forums like this, you obviously have time to fill out a census form. If you are that forgetful, perhaps you should take steps to overcome that. Unless you are a Seventh Day Adventist, religion can't be a reason and if you are a JW, why would you be on a political forum? It wastes more money for the Government to provide services without accurate data.

You are obviously a law abiding citizen because you face the possibility of going to jail without any idea of what that entails.

As a citizen, a Christian, and a Conservative, I see the census as a duty, not an option.

lol

As a citizen, atheist, and conservative I don't want to go to jail if I don't fill out needless paperwork.

[Smoke]

No. It's just a smear job.

The ones who complained were rich Conservatives, Harper backers. That small hardcore group may be the most likely to lie on their census form ... and perhaps taxes too. Some scrutiny may be warranted, but the data and error margins are likely robust enough for a few liars here and there.

Anyone who says other people lie is likely one who will lie, and should be checked.

So you are, by your own logic, a liar.

[angrypenguin]

So you are, by your own logic, a liar.

Personal attack much?

[SpankyMcFarland]

lol

As a citizen, atheist, and conservative I don't want to go to jail if I don't fill out needless paperwork.

I'm afraid I have some difficult news - you are not going to jail. At least not for the census. That is not going to happen. For some reason, conservatives have fewer worries about unrestricted mass surveillance than a paper form but there's nowt as strange as folk.

[drummindiver]

I'm afraid I have some difficult news - you are not going to jail. At least not for the census. That is not going to happen. For some reason, conservatives have fewer worries about unrestricted mass surveillance than a paper form but there's nowt as strange as folk.

Sigh.

I'm afraid I also have some difficult news. You aren't going to be waterboarded by CSIS for posting on MLW.

LFC is more intrusive. I don't feel a thing from C51. LFC? Yeah, fill this out by this date or else.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Sigh.

I'm afraid I also have some difficult news. You aren't going to be waterboarded by CSIS for posting on MLW.

LFC is more intrusive. I don't feel a thing from C51. LFC? Yeah, fill this out by this date or else.

The intrusiveness of the LFC is clear; by contrast, what CSIS gets up to is anybody's guess. Unless you are a senior person in that organization, your reassurances on that score don't count for very much. We'll have to wait for the next big leak, probably from the UK or US, to find out more of what is really going on. Edited November 16, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland

[dpwozney]

The long-form census is unlawful because the "Statistics Act, R.S.C., 1985" is non-compliant with Canadian law.

The "Statistics Act, R.S.C., 1985" was created, and exists, with the understanding that Elizabeth the Second is "Queen". Elizabeth the Second is not Queen of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland", contrary to the requirement in this Fifth Schedule, which states:

"Oath of Allegiance

I A.B. do swear, That I will be faithful and bear true Allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Victoria.

Note. The Name of the King or Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland for the Time being is to be substituted from Time to Time, with proper Terms of Reference thereto.".

Elizabeth the Second claims to be Queen of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

The provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick expressed their desire to be federally united into one Dominion under the Crown of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland", not the Crown of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", according to the British North America Act, 1867.

[August1991]

In the Conservative world, and particularly in the Libertarian world, where reality and science say one thing, and ideology says another, ideology always wins. It's why I rather believe that there is a certain subset of Conservatism, and pretty much all Libertarianism, that has more in common with Trotskyism and Marxist-Leninism than with fiscal conservatism and centrism; this belief that ideology is not only an important consideration, but is the only consideration.

Honestly, the modern Conservative view of science is indistinguishable from the way the Soviets viewed science as a branch of state ideology (ie. Lysenkoism).

Who guarantees that people complete the Census form honestly? ToadBrother, have you considered the possibility that people might lie in completing the long census forum?

As a Quebecer, if I have an extra resident in my apartment, Quebec receives more federal funds.

Toadbrother (and other leftists), you take alot of human behaviour for granted.

Heck, do people vote honestly? (Many English-Canadian leftists voted NPD/Liberal to ensure a Conservative MP defeat.)

Edited May 3, 2016 by August1991

[August1991]

If people can vote strategically, why not "vote" strategically in a long census form.

And frankly, an individual long census forum has "far more" impact on government policy than a single vote in a federal election.

[dre]

Who guarantees that people complete the Census form honestly? ToadBrother, have you considered the possibility that people might lie in completing the long census forum?

As a Quebecer, if I have an extra resident in my apartment, Quebec receives more federal funds.

Toadbrother (and other leftists), you take alot of human behaviour for granted.

Heck, do people vote honestly? (Many English-Canadian leftists voted NPD/Liberal to ensure a Conservative MP defeat.)

People might lie when filling out ANY form. Lets abolish forms!

[Big Guy]

Just completed my Short Form Census on line.

Out home received a notice from Statistics Canada yesterday. I opened it and followed the directions. Each home is given an access code number that identifies you once you log into census.gc.ca. Then you answer a series of questions by checking off boxes. It took me about 3 minutes from start to closing the program.

Not sure what the big deal is.

[The_Squid]

Not sure what the big deal is.

Apparently, you lost your liberty.

[segnosaur]

Just completed my Short Form Census on line.

(snip)

Not sure what the big deal is.

Would you happen to notice anything in your posting that might show that your experience is irrelevant? Anything at all?

I'll take a short time for you to think about it.

[The_Squid]

Would you happen to notice anything in your posting that might show that your experience is irrelevant? Anything at all?

I'll take a short time for you to think about it.

The 3 minutes ballons to about 15 minutes for the long form. Remind us what the burden is...?

[PIK]

My mother who passed recently received one, do I throw it out?

[segnosaur]

The 3 minutes ballons to about 15 minutes for the long form. Remind us what the burden is...?

Last time I got the long for it took my closer to half an hour.

You willing to pay for my time to fill it out?

[The_Squid]

Last time I got the long for it took my closer to half an hour.

You willing to pay for my time to fill it out?

Sometimes the state requires our time....

taxes... census... filling out permits... jail time....

A half hour out of your life isn't a great loss.

[The_Squid]

My mother who passed recently received one, do I throw it out?

No. Indicate that no one lives at the address.

http://census.gc.ca/ccr16c/ccr16c_001-eng.html#a10

[BubberMiley]

Last time I got the long for it took my closer to half an hour.

You willing to pay for my time to fill it out?

We've come a long way from the First World War, when it was not uncommon for people to be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country. Now it's too much to ask of someone to fill out a form.

[Guest]

Well said.

[Big Guy]

Would you happen to notice anything in your posting that might show that your experience is irrelevant? Anything at all?

I'll take a short time for you to think about it.

I gave it a little thought - thanks.

Perhaps the time it takes to fill out the form does not depend on the length of the form - but it depends on the I.Q. of the person trying to fill out the form. What may take me 3 minutes may take you "closer to half an hour".

[PIK]

Thanks Squid.

[jacee]

The long-form census is unlawful because the "Statistics Act, R.S.C., 1985" is non-compliant with Canadian law.

The "Statistics Act, R.S.C., 1985" was created, and exists, with the understanding that Elizabeth the Second is "Queen". Elizabeth the Second is not Queen of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland", contrary to the requirement in this Fifth Schedule, which states:

"Oath of Allegiance

I A.B. do swear, That I will be faithful and bear true Allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Victoria.

Note. The Name of the King or Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland for the Time being is to be substituted from Time to Time, with proper Terms of Reference thereto.".

Elizabeth the Second claims to be Queen of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

The provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick expressed their desire to be federally united into one Dominion under the Crown of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland", not the Crown of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", according to the British North America Act, 1867.

I get it.

So ... you're not going to be counted as a Canadian in the census in Canada because ... Liz isn't queen of ALL of Ireland.

Ooo...K.

Taxes ... Same thing?

Are you on the voter's list ... or do you object to that too?

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