GostHacked Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 Anything that doesn't feed you, cloth you or shelter you is considered a luxury. Besides, there's a difference between a cell phone and a smart phone. I challenge you to not use your smart phone for a week. But again I ask the question, how are refugees staying in shelters and the like able to get a land line? Quote
Shady Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 I challenge you to not use your smart phone for a week. But again I ask the question, how are refugees staying in shelters and the like able to get a land line? Whether I can go a week or not doesn't make a smart phone a necessity. It's a luxury. I don't know why a shelter itself couldn't get a land line, or several of them. Seems pretty basic. Quote
jacee Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 A shelter is a temporary accommodation. Portable is better. Looking for housing, jobs, etc requires internet and phone, very expensive landline services. Smart phones are cheaper. In most of the world, smart phone service is a necessity, and only about $5 a month. They're only expensive in Canada because of 'protections' for the communications monopoly. . Quote
Argus Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 How can a transient refugee get a land line? Pay phones are also a becoming a rare thing. Could you go back to just a land line if you needed to? A refugee is not transient for long. No one on welfare is transient. You can't get welfare if you're transient. You need an address. And I have a landline now. True, I also have a cell phone, but I virtually never use it to call anyone. It's an entertainment device when I'm waiting in line or in a waiting room, and I text with some people every day entirely unnecessarily. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 A shelter is a temporary accommodation. Portable is better. Shelters have phones. Looking for housing, jobs, etc requires internet and phone, very expensive landline services. Smart phones are cheaper. Landlines are cheaper than smartphones, and none of these refugees are looking for housing or jobs since they don't speak English and have no skills. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 Landlines are cheaper than smartphones I make virtually no long distance calls, and when I do, I pay $0.05 a minute. I have call display, 911 service, and wire watch. My landline is about $52 a month. My smart phone in Manitoba, with 3GB of data, 500 minutes, voicemail lite, and call display, is about $70. If I had cell service where I live, I wouldn't even have a land line for that kind of difference. Quote
waldo Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 Besides, there's a difference between a cell phone and a smart phone. oh my! I didn't think there could be a match to someone advocating for an ever diminishing... and telco money-losing option like 20th-century landline tech! Now you're pushing flip-phones? Really? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 and none of these refugees are looking for housing or jobs since they don't speak English and have no skills. Do you have a cite to back up this claim, because the government of Canada says otherwise. Quote
dialamah Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) According to the volunteer information session held by Immigrant Services Society of BC that I attended yesterday, many Syrians have a second language of either French or English. Two of the volunteer positions available involve increasing the refugees English-language skills. There is also an ISS sponsored language school and services to help them find a job. Most refugees arrive in Canada owing the government thousands of dollars for flights and services; their repayment rate is the highest of any group in Canada, at 91%. Since welfare barely pays enough to mange rent and groceries, I imagine this high repayment rate is because refugees do work. ISS did not address cell phone ownership, but if you are concerned, you could call them or a similar organization in your area. Here's a link: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/map/services.asp For those who are worried about ultra-conservative Muslim men arriving in Canada with 'misogynistic' attitudes,, I suggest you volunteer to assist in resettling activities. You could be a key element in ensuring that they learn what kind of behavior is acceptable in Canada when it comes to women; heck, you could even be the reason someone isn't harassed or assaulted, at least by a refugee. Edited January 24, 2016 by dialamah Quote
Big Guy Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 I would assume that those who consider refugees as a welfare drain would encourage that they use as many means as possible for communications in order to assimilate and get a job. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 And more to the plight of several cities that want a halt on Syrian refugees.......it now seems some of the Syrians aren't too pleased, and want to go back to the Middle East: the refugees have been at the hotel for weeks and have no idea when they will be able to leave. Some of the 85 government-sponsored refugees say they're not getting much help, and would rather go back to their refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon. furthermore: "We're worried, first of all, that we're facing a major mental-health crisis if somebody doesn't start going in there and speaking to them every single day to find out if they are doing OK. For the past week and a half, and in one case there's a guy who's been there for a month, and no one has been talking to them," Bate said. and: Abu-Rukti added many of those who came with her were getting more help in Lebanon and Jordan. "I feel even though we chose to come out to Canada and it was something that we chose to do, it was our right and we chose it, however, it's not what we expected and it's not what we thought we would come into," said Abu-Rukti. "Maybe this isn't where I should be. Another lady asked to return and the Canadian Embassy said: 'There is no way you guys can return now.'" So we have cities asking for a halt, and Syrians wanting to back to the Middle East........I think its time the Trudeau Government halts this costly charade and starts helping Canadians in far more dire need......namely First Nations and the tens of thousands of out of work Westerners....And let those Syrians that want to go back, leave.......Trudeau's pride aside, this is a disaster. Quote
Argus Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Do you have a cite to back up this claim, because the government of Canada says otherwise. I'm wholly uninterested in whatever political propaganda your heroes in the Trudeau government are putting out. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 I'm wholly uninterested in whatever political propaganda your heroes in the Trudeau government are putting out. Right, so no cite then. And BTW, the g of c stats I refer to was when your heroes in the Harper gov. were running the propaganda machines Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) And more to the plight of several cities that want a halt on Syrian refugees.......it now seems some of the Syrians aren't too pleased, and want to go back to the Middle East: 85 people out of about 15,000? My God. Seriously, No one ever said that this would be easy, or without difficulty. Because something is difficult does not mean it should be abandoned. Obviously, it's hard to find placements for some people in some areas. That said, there will be a solution. Still, at Davos, there were people lamenting that Canada was not taking enough refugees to take the pressure off of Europe and the rest of the world. We wouldn't want to disappoint our allies now, would we? Edited January 25, 2016 by Smallc Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 85 people out of about 15,000? My God. How do you know its only 85 out of 15k? Has there been a poll? Seriously, No one ever said that this would be easy, or without difficulty. Because something is difficult does not mean it should be abandoned. It should be halted if the people Trudeau wants to help felt better treated in the Middle East and want to go back now.......... Still, at Davos, there were people lamenting that Canada was not taking enough refugees to take the pressure off of Europe and the rest of the world. We wouldn't want to disappoint our allies now, would we? Who? "The settlement agencies are overwhelmed," said Johnson. "There's a huge opportunity for individuals to step up and help." Trudeau's Government sponsored refugees are now the public's responsibility? Why are refugees that want to return to the Middle East being refused? There is no logical reason other than politics. Quote
capricorn Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Why are refugees that want to return to the Middle East being refused? There is no logical reason other than politics. Unhappy refugees make settlement very difficult if not impossible. It would be more economical to pay for the return from where they came than pay for years while they stew in their unhappiness. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Unhappy refugees make settlement very difficult if not impossible. It would be more economical to pay for the return from where they came than pay for years while they stew in their unhappiness. Further to that, as mentioned by the Public Safety Minister, said refugees can become a breeding ground for radical Islam...... Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 How do you know its only 85 out of 15k? Has there been a poll? You provided the link - it was specific to these people stuck in the hotel for an extra 6 days. It should be halted if the people Trudeau wants to help felt better treated in the Middle East and want to go back now.......... So there has been a poll, then. Trudeau's Government sponsored refugees are now the public's responsibility? Well, yes, they are (where do you think the government gets its money?). Beyond that, individuals willing to step up and help the resettlement agencies (not the government) will do a great deal to smooth the process. Why are refugees that want to return to the Middle East being refused? There is no logical reason other than politics. I would imagine that the UN agency has already filled their spots. They have nothing to go back to. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Unhappy refugees make settlement very difficult if not impossible. It would be more economical to pay for the return from where they came than pay for years while they stew in their unhappiness. 85 people in a hotel. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Further to that, as mentioned by the Public Safety Minister, said refugees can become a breeding ground for radical Islam...... They've been in the hotel 11 days. Call me if they blow it up. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 You provided the link - it was specific to these people stuck in the hotel for an extra 6 days. You suggested this isn't a wide spread problem.......numerous cities have already called for a halt due to lack of resources. So there has been a poll, then. Where did I say that? Those refugees that want to return should be allowed to go. Well, yes, they are (where do you think the government gets its money?). Beyond that, individuals willing to step up and help the resettlement agencies (not the government) will do a great deal to smooth the process. Well no, they aren't, the public has no requirement to "step up" to help "smooth" Trudeau's failed policies. I would imagine that the UN agency has already filled their spots. They have nothing to go back to. Syrians have been returning to Syria from camps to sell their homes, then returning to said camps....all the more reason to halt Government sponsored Syrian refugees, this mess was predicted months ago. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 They've been in the hotel 11 days. Call me if they blow it up. It appears you take the same long view approach as the Trudeau Liberals.......well done. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 You suggested this isn't a wide spread problem You're asserting their is without proof. Where did I say that? Those refugees that want to return should be allowed to go. Go where? Well no, they aren't, the public has no requirement to "step up" to help "smooth" Trudeau's failed policies. Volunteers are hoping that there will be more volunteers. The government isn't asking you to take responsibility. Syrians have been returning to Syria from camps to sell their homes, then returning to said camps So you have evidence, counter to the government, that there is somewhere for them to go? The problem will be sorted out in short order. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 It appears you take the same long view approach as the Trudeau Liberals.......well done. By the way, no one has called for refugee arrivals to stop. Rather, they've called for a temporary pause and slow down. The government obliged: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-assisted-refugee-arrivals-paused-in-more-canadian-cities-1.3411565 Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 You're asserting their is without proof. The cities they are being dumped in asking for this practice to halt is more than enough proof. Go where? Where they came from. Volunteers are hoping that there will be more volunteers. The government isn't asking you to take responsibility. The Government can pound sand, they created this mess, they can fix it. So you have evidence, counter to the government, that there is somewhere for them to go? Where ever they came from......are you suggesting the Government should continue to keep them here against their will? The problem will be sorted out in short order. You know this how? It's been reported countless times that most won't even receive English/French classes for years. Quote
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