Trudeau's Committment to Syrian Refugees - 25,000 by Year End

[Argus]

Are you under the impression the ones we just brought over are the first Syrian's to emigrate here?

So gimmie what you got.

[Argus]

They need money - something Ottawa is able to provide.

That's BS, Smallc. They don't need more federal money. Every community I can think of wastes money on non-essential stuff because the politicians like to smile for the cameras and cut ribbons. Ottawa, as one example, has spent tens of millions on arts courts and galleries over the last dozen years while failing to properly fund the maintenance of its low income housing units. It's spent tens of millions on pedestrian bridges which allow people from certain communities to more easily cross the Rideau canal on foot or bicycle. It's spent more millions on a ridiculous investment in an unworkable recycling program. And its' many, many, many, many employees are better paid than federal employees. Its senior employees earn more than any federal employee too.

[On Guard for Thee]

So gimmie what you got.

As of 4 years ago there were roughly 41k Syrians here, of which 35% were refugees. Of those 97% could converse in one or the other or both of our official languages. At least according to your buddy Harper, or was he just a propagandist?

[Shady]

Ahh you assume they will find places to put them.......will they jump to the front of the line over Canadians that have been waiting for years?

Of course they'll jump the line. They're just the political props Justin's been looking for.

[jacee]

Social housing is a municipal/provincial responsibility. And they haven't even been maintaining the ones they have.

Administering funds and programs for social housing in provincial/municipal,

but the feds provide funds, often to be matched locally.

http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/corp/nero/jufa/jufa_016.cfm

It's federal funds that were not well maintained by Harper. So neither was the housing.

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Edited January 25, 2016 by jacee

[jacee]

Of course they'll jump the line. They're just the political props Justin's been looking for.

Justin's about to bump the budget for housing, house everybody waiting.

Maybe invest in Community Land Trusts.

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/inpr/afhoce/afhoce/afhostcast/afhoid/fite/colatr/

The housing options provided through CLTs are more affordable than at-market housing, since the arrangement removes the cost of the land from the price of the house.

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Edited January 25, 2016 by jacee

[Argus]

As of 4 years ago there were roughly 41k Syrians here, of which 35% were refugees. Of those 97% could converse in one or the other or both of our official languages. At least according to your buddy Harper, or was he just a propagandist?

So all you got is that eventually most refugees learn to speak English to one degree or another? Yipee.

[Argus]

Administering funds and programs for social housing in provincial/municipal,

but the feds provide funds, often to be matched locally

Just one more way the various levels of government have duplicated efforts. The federal government is not responsible for housing and should have nothing to do with it.

[jacee]

Just one more way the various levels of government have duplicated efforts. The federal government is not responsible for housing and should have nothing to do with it.

But we do fund housing federally.

And we need more.

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[On Guard for Thee]

So all you got is that eventually most refugees learn to speak English to one degree or another? Yipee.

Which kind of flies in the face of one of your previous posts that seemed to have that sort of xenophobic tinge to it.

[Argus]

Which kind of flies in the face of one of your previous posts that seemed to have that sort of xenophobic tinge to it.

My previous posts have a lot less xenophobic tinge than your previous posts have a sort of brainless tinge to them.

The fact most newcomers eventually learn English does not mean they'll actually become contributing taxpayers.

[Argus]

But we do fund housing federally.

And we need more.

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We should not fund housing federally at all. Let the municipalities do their job for once instead of sniveling about a lack of resources.

[Derek 2.0]

Meanwhile, down South, the US Senate is holding a hearing over security implications of Canada's Syrian refugee plan.....it should be no surprise, after the FBI admitted they won't be able to vet all of Obama's proposed refugees....

[Smallc]

Meanwhile, down South, the US Senate is holding a hearing over security implications of Canada's Syrian refugee plan.

Good for them. They do a lot of crazy things. That should never dictate our policy.

[Smallc]

I mean, you'd think they'd actually invite someone from the Government of Canada to such hearings.

[bush_cheney2004]

Why ? Did Canada invite someone from the Government of the United States of America to refugee hearings ?

[Smallc]

Why ? Did Canada invite someone from the Government of the United States of America to refugee hearings ?

You would think (rational people anyway) that you'd have questions for the people actually administering the program and doing the security checks. You would think.

[bush_cheney2004]

No, based on previous experience with those same incompetent people (e.g. Ahmed Ressam).

[Smallc]

No, based on previous experience with those same incompetent people (e.g. Ahmed Ressam).

So your argument then is that only US officials and people outside of the program, none of whom could ever be incompetent, are qualified to answer questions on a resettlement and security screening program that they don't have inside knowledge of?

[On Guard for Thee]

My previous posts have a lot less xenophobic tinge than your previous posts have a sort of brainless tinge to them.

The fact most newcomers eventually learn English does not mean they'll actually become contributing taxpayers.

So I'll take that as an admission that your previous comments about refugees was more out of a fear of them than anything factual. BTW, quoting facts is not brainless, try it sometime.

[bush_cheney2004]

No, I'm saying that the United States will run things in the USA, and Canada will run things in Canada based on policy, experience, and objectives. We would like to keep our airports safe from bombings by your refugees.

[Smallc]

No, I'm saying that the United States will run things in the USA, and Canada will run things in Canada based on policy, experience, and objectives.

So then wouldn't you agree, that if you, as an American, were doing an investigation of the impact of a policy being implemented in Canada, you might ask the people actually creating, administering, and carrying out the policy (chest thumping aside)?

Edited January 26, 2016 by Smallc

[bush_cheney2004]

No...I would assume the worst based on passed experience with Canadian policy makers and refugee risks. Canada didn't invite anybody else to hearings either.

[On Guard for Thee]

No, I'm saying that the United States will run things in the USA, and Canada will run things in Canada based on policy, experience, and objectives. We would like to keep our airports safe from bombings by your refugees.

Right. And wasn't it you guys who tried to say that the people who drove planes into your buildings came across our border. Oops, nice try. Naw, they were already learning to just fly planes, never mind the how to land them part, on your own soil at your own airports.

[Derek 2.0]

Good for them. They do a lot of crazy things. That should never dictate our policy.

They won't, but they will dictate US policy towards Canada.........call it crazy if you wish, but if the head of the FBI says they are unable to screen less than half the numbers of refugees Canada is taking in, over a far longer time, it speaks volumes to how much our process was rushed.....which is evident by the issues found with the refugees that we've already brought in.