ToadBrother Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Poor Andrew Leslie. If only he wore a turban he'd be defense minister today. Stay class, Argus, stay classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Poor Andrew Leslie. If only he wore a turban he'd be defense minister today. It's best practice to not have say, a cop as a justice minister, or a general as a defence minister. Making a prosecutor justice minister may be a mistake, we'll have to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Stay class, Argus, stay classy. I prefer to stay honest while you progressives dance around in the flowers. Sajjan was appointed a lieutenant colonel in 2011 in charge of a reserve unit. Leslie was a lieutenant general and chief of the army. There is no comparison between their military knowledge or experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 It's best practice to not have say, a cop as a justice minister, or a general as a defence minister. Making a prosecutor justice minister may be a mistake, we'll have to see. Do you honestly think Leslie agreed to run for them in order to be a back bencher? Everyone pretty much assumed he would be shoe-in for Defense minister, but somewhere along the way, between Trudeau's promise to make half his cabinet have ovaries, and his need to include as many minorities as possible, that fell apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Do you honestly think Leslie agreed to run for them in order to be a back bencher? Everyone pretty much assumed he would be shoe-in for Defense minister Not everyone assumed that. If he assumed that he was an...... No one is guaranteed a spot. How Trudeau made is cabinet is no different than Harper. I prefer to keep perspective and leave hyperbole to those good at it. Edited November 4, 2015 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I prefer to stay honest while you progressives dance around in the flowers. Sajjan was appointed a lieutenant colonel in 2011 in charge of a reserve unit. Leslie was a lieutenant general and chief of the army. There is no comparison between their military knowledge or experience. As you should well know, considerations for who gets into cabinet are wider than "this guy did this in his previous life". Would you like to dissect Harper's cabinet appointees from 2006 to 2015, or are you just more interested in some more hyperpartisan ranting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 As you should well know, considerations for who gets into cabinet are wider than "this guy did this in his previous life". Would you like to dissect Harper's cabinet appointees from 2006 to 2015, or are you just more interested in some more hyperpartisan ranting. I leave partisanship to you. I'd be critical of this move whatever party was in charge. I was critical of the Tories removing O'connor. I didn't care if he was a poor performer in the House, he was good at his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I leave partisanship to you. I'd be critical of this move whatever party was in charge. I was critical of the Tories removing O'connor. I didn't care if he was a poor performer in the House, he was good at his job. I wasn't aware I was a partisan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 It's best practice to not have say, a cop as a justice minister, or a general as a defence minister. Making a prosecutor justice minister may be a mistake, we'll have to see. http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/03/krayden-andrew-leslie-would-be-wrong-man-to-lead-dnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 There are two science ministers, for some strange reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) On the defence minister: http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,121038.msg1398603/topicseen.html#new Order of Military Merit Meritorious Service Medal Southwest Asia Service Medal (Afghanistan) General Campaign Star (Afghanistan) Mention in Dispatch Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal NATO Service Medal (Bosnia) Golden Jubilee Medal Diamond Jubilee Medal Canadian Forces’ Decoration US Army Commendation Medal Chief of Defence Staff Commendation Deputy Minister Award (Department of National Defence) That is his resume. Stay classy indeed: https://harjitsajjan.liberal.ca/biography/ Edited November 4, 2015 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Trudeau's first cabinet in the order that they were sword in today: Ralph Goodale, Minister of Public SafetyCarolyn Bennett, Minister of Indigenous and Northern Affairs Lawrence Macauley, Minister of Agriculture and Agri-FoodJody Wilson-Raybould, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of CanadaStéphane Dion, Minister of Foreign AffairsJudy Foote, Minister of Public Services and ProcurementJohn MacCallum, Minister of Immigration, Refugees, and CitizenshipChrystia Freeland, Minister of International TradeScott Brison, Minister of Treasury BoardJane Philpott, Minister of HealthDominic LeBlanc, Leader of the Government in the House of CommonsMarie-Claude Bibeau, Minister of International DevelopmentNavdeep Bains, Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic DevelopmentMelanie Joly, Minister of Canadian HeritageBill Morneau, Minister of FinanceDiane LeBouthillier, Minister of National RevenueJean-Yves Duclos, Minister of Families, Children, and Social DevelopmentCatherine McKenna, Minister of Environment and Climate ChangeMarc Garneau, Minister of TransportMaryann Mihychuk, Minister of Employment, Workforce Development and LabourJames Carr, Minister of Natural ResourcesMaryam Monsef, Minister of Democratic InstitutionsKent Hehr, Minister of Veterans AffairsCarla Qualtrough, Minister of Sport and Persons with DisabilitiesHarjit Singh Sajjan, Minister of National DefenceKirsty Duncan, Minister of ScienceAmarjeet Sohi, Minister of Infrastructure and CommunitiesPatricia Hajdu, Minister of Status of WomenHunter Tootoo, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and The Canadian CoastguardBardish Chagger, Minister of Small Business and Tourism Edited November 4, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) There are two science ministers, for some strange reason. I suspect this is intended to differentiate between applied science and pure science. Conservatives were accused (with reason as I understand) of making science a captive of industry. Edited November 4, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Poor old John McCallum gets the Refugee file.....he's been a loyal soldier for so long - what the heck did he do to deserve that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Poor Andrew Leslie. If only he wore a turban he'd be defense minister today. Actually, Leslie was a nightmare for many in the military, including in the army. Harjit Sajjan is far more respected, for his service as both an armored officer and a Vancouver city cop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Do you honestly think Leslie agreed to run for them in order to be a back bencher? Everyone pretty much assumed he would be shoe-in for Defense minister, but somewhere along the way, between Trudeau's promise to make half his cabinet have ovaries, and his need to include as many minorities as possible, that fell apart. Leslie would have had a rough go handing out pink slips to people that voted for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted November 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I was also watching the coverage. No matter your political persuasion, you have to be impressed by the resumes of most of these ministers. I thought the ceremony very uplifting, formal and yet informal with the inclusion of that many children. It is obvious that it was very positive and people were genuinely happy. Lots of expectations. We know that all those expectations will not be met but the tone is certainly different. I wish them well. I wish Canada well. Lets get to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Do you honestly think Leslie agreed to run for them in order to be a back bencher? Everyone pretty much assumed he would be shoe-in for Defense minister, but somewhere along the way, between Trudeau's promise to make half his cabinet have ovaries, and his need to include as many minorities as possible, that fell apart.Somewhere along the way Trudeau promised to make half his cabinet have balls. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Leslie would have had a rough go handing out pink slips to people that voted for him. What does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 What does that mean? Leslie's transformation study indicated that it would gut upwards of 1/4 of DND employees in the Ottawa region.......I'm to assume some live in Leslie's riding. PSAC and DND also feared his recommendation to disband the RCN's FMFs on both coasts, opting to go to contractors.......which would have knee-capped the RCN's ability to conduct routine maintenance on the fleet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 On the defence minister: http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,121038.msg1398603/topicseen.html#new Order of Military Merit Meritorious Service Medal Southwest Asia Service Medal (Afghanistan) General Campaign Star (Afghanistan) Mention in Dispatch Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal NATO Service Medal (Bosnia) Golden Jubilee Medal Diamond Jubilee Medal Canadian Forces’ Decoration US Army Commendation Medal Chief of Defence Staff Commendation Deputy Minister Award (Department of National Defence) That is his resume. Stay classy indeed: https://harjitsajjan.liberal.ca/biography/ It was definitely the turban.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 It was definitely the turban.... He also had the honour of being a ceremonial guard to QEII on her last visit. Definitely the turban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 It was definitely the turban.... Literally LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) On the defence minister: http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,121038.msg1398603/topicseen.html#new That is his resume. Stay classy indeed: That's nice. Would you like me to post Leslie's resume? It's a bit old, from when he was only a Major General. MGen Andrew Leslie was born in December 1957, and his initial schooling was conducted in Canada, the USA, France, Cyprus, and Switzerland, where he became bilingual. His family has a tradition of military service and he joined the 30th Field Artillery Regiment while at Ottawa University. While a student in England he was attached to the Honorable Artillery Company. In 1980 he attended the International Peace Academy UN Staff Seminar in Vienna, Austria. In 1981, he transferred to the regular force and initially served with the 1st Regiment Royal Canadian Horse Artillery in Germany, the regiment that - like his father before him – he eventually commanded. He has completed the British Army Troop Commanders and Tactics course, French Army Commando training, the hand-to-hand combat course, and the combat intelligence course. Other training includes the infantry company commander's course, a variety of artillery courses, Army and the Forces staff colleges, training in project management and the parachute course. After a succession of field tours with mechanized and airborne combat units in Germany, Cyprus and Canada and command appointments up to regimental level, in early 1995 he was promoted to Colonel and sent to the Former Yugoslavia as Chief of Staff Sector South (Brigade Level). He was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal for his actions under fire during the fighting for Knin in August 1995. He then became the Chief of Staff and Deputy Commander of UNCRO (Division level), and finally Chief of Staff of UNPF (Mission level). Following the UN hand-over to NATO forces, MGen Leslie returned to Western Canada as the Area Chief of Staff in 1996, and served in that capacity during the Manitoba floods of Spring 1997. In July 1997 he became the Commander of 1 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (1CMBG), an infantry-heavy combat formation based in Western Canada, where the focus was on live-fire combined arms training. In early 1998, 1CMBG deployed to the South shore of Montreal to assist with ice-storm disaster relief operations, followed by an almost continuous cycle of Battle Group and Brigade exercises. That same year he was awarded the Order of Military Merit. In 1999 he was promoted Brigadier-General while a student on the Advanced and National Securities Studies Courses in Toronto. In 2000 he was appointed the J6 of the Canadian Forces, responsible for commanding the communications field groups and regiments, the signals and electronic intelligence functions and supporting the various computer networks used by the Forces. In 2002 he became the Commander Land Force Central Area, responsible for one regular and three reserve Brigades as well as several bases and training establishments. MGen Leslie was appointed Commander Task Force Kabul and Deputy Commander of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan as of June 2003, and on his return he was awarded the Meritorious Service Cross. He then became the Assistant Chief of the Land Staff. In Fall 2004 to June 2005 he was a full-time PhD student at the Royal Military College in Kingston, and he is now the Director General Strategic Planning in Ottawa. MGen Leslie's education includes several degrees and he has studied in Ottawa, London, Toronto, Kingston and at the Harvard Business School. His interests are military history, political science, running and alpine skiing. Order of Military Merit (CMM) Meritorious Service Cross (MSC) Meritorious Service Medal (MSM) General Campaign Star Special Service Medal Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal UNFICYP.gif UNFICYP 125th Anniversary of the Confederation of Canada Medal Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal Canadian Forces Decoration (CD) US Legion of Merit Commander Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland Edited November 4, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 That's nice. Would you like me to post Leslie's resume? Would you care to explain why Harper was so keen to keep him out of the CDF position, and to turn his transformation report into an X-file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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