LPC Campaign Co-Chair Advises TransCanada

[blueblood]

The energy sector is already preparing for the carbon tax, which I've said for some time is inevitable. While the NDP might have imposed a national tax, Trudeau is going to give the provinces a lot more leeway. The Tories should be happy that it isn't them who will have to put this policy in place to placate the Americans (seeing as it seems pretty likely that Clinton will win next year, and we'll still have to prove our Greeny worthiness).

I dont agree with a carbon tax as the futures market already puts a price on carbon. 140 dollar oil was what put the kibosh on hummers and boosted production on fuel efficient vehicles. However 140 dollar oil also contributed to the usa exonomic problems. Plus also with royalties the provinces also collect a "carbon tax".

The world will get off of hydrocarbons at some point and it will be the oil and gas companies that make that transition as they will have the funds to do research and implimentation.

[ToadBrother]

Cite please. Where did NDP insiders working on the campaign lobby for business?

You are as bad as the CPC partisan hacks that use the tired old mantra "well they did it too".

I don't have a cite. It's just the way potential transitions in government work. Major industries, particularly ones with regulatory approval of some sort or another, will naturally want to know how a new government is going to proceed. You don't think the Alberta NDP weren't having informal talks with industry players when it became clear they were going to be the next government?

Governments govern industries as well as citizens, and I don't even necessarily see anything untoward here.

[ToadBrother]

I dont agree with a carbon tax as the futures market already puts a price on carbon. 140 dollar oil was what put the kibosh on hummers and boosted production on fuel efficient vehicles. However 140 dollar oil also contributed to the usa exonomic problems. Plus also with royalties the provinces also collect a "carbon tax".

The world will get off of hydrocarbons at some point and it will be the oil and gas companies that make that transition as they will have the funds to do research and implimentation.

Whether you agree with it or not, carbon pricing is coming. And why should we wait for oil companies to be the ones to make the transition. It almost sounds like you want the government to pick the winners. If the big oil companies go down the tubes, what of it? That's capitalism, right?

[blueblood]

Whether you agree with it or not, carbon pricing is coming. And why should we wait for oil companies to be the ones to make the transition. It almost sounds like you want the government to pick the winners. If the big oil companies go down the tubes, what of it? That's capitalism, right?

I dont like progress being taxed. Oil companies will logically make the transition as they have the resources to do so. The big oil companies will invest in future tech so that they dont go down the tubes when a cleaner more efficient form of energy is discovered. Just like whale oil was replaced with petroleum after being used for a long period of time.

For example, i live out in the country and lacked broadband internet access for a long time. It wasnt the govt that provided it to me, it was rogers and mts popping up a 3G cell phone tower. The ability of private industry to finance things is quite amazing And efficient.

[ToadBrother]

I dont like progress being taxed. Oil companies will logically make the transition as they have the resources to do so. The big oil companies will invest in future tech so that they dont go down the tubes when a cleaner more efficient form of energy is discovered. Just like whale oil was replaced with petroleum after being used for a long period of time.

For example, i live out in the country and lacked broadband internet access for a long time. It wasnt the govt that provided it to me, it was rogers and mts popping up a 3G cell phone tower. The ability of private industry to finance things is quite amazing And efficient.

Well, whether you like it or not, carbon pricing is almost certainly going to be a reality throughout the industrialized world soon, and very likely in many parts of the developing world. Oil companies are clearly already accepting that fact.

[The_Squid]

Lobyists should not be working for government. Clearly it's a conflict of interest.

ETA: or for a potential gov't.

Edited October 15, 2015 by The_Squid

[waldo]

Lobyists should not be working for government. Clearly it's a conflict of interest.

which has what to do with this thread?

[The_Squid]

It is illegal for lobbyists to be working on an election campaign.

http://ottawacitizen.com/storyline/kady-campaign-co-chair-lobbying-email-a-throwback-to-the-dark-days-of-liberal-scandals-past

Anyone who defends this practice has their head in the sand or is a partisan hack. Clearly, his resignation is a clear sign that at least he knew that this was wrong, and perhaps others as well.

[BC_chick]

No matter what the Tories may assert, Bay Street has always loved the Liberals best.

But I do think this was a tactical leak, part of a plan of calming the markets and key industries as the likelihood of a Liberal government grows.

Giving Liberals street-cred for shady deals?

[Derek 2.0]

in actuality... given established relationships, the guy was approached by Trans Canada... for information on how best they lobby in regards the 'Energy East pipeline'. The guy is was in a volunteer campaign position... and he's not a registered lobbyist.

a quick search suggests the following as relatively recent/representative comments from the Liberal Party leader:

Mr Gagnier is the President of the Energy Policy Institute of Canada, the lobby group for Big Oil...........one of its former "star lobbyists" was Bruce Carson

There, now Talk amongst yourselves.......

[poochy]

I don't think it'll matter much.

No probably not, the conservatives need their own, paid for by taxpayer money tv network to flog the story for them.

[Topaz]

He could advising all he wants but the final decision is the Justin is he makes to the PMO and I don't think any PM would touch this or at least think twice.

[Moonlight Graham]

There is no hope in this town.

[waldo]

Mr Gagnier is the President of the Energy Policy Institute of Canada{EPIC}, the lobby group for Big Oil...........

I see the Harper campaign/war room guys rousted you out of your MLW slumber!

EPIC doesn't exist anymore... ceased to exist after completing its mandate embodied in the publishing of this report in 2014: A Canadian Energy Strategy Framework --- apparently, business also wanted to fill the void left by Harper Conservatives failure/refusal to address the need for a national energy strategy! You may want to acknowledge that most significant part of that strategy document dedicated to carbon management, with a key objective to reduce carbon emissions... including a clear position in support of carbon pricing as a key component of energy and climate change policy. Notwithstanding a clear statement on proper and timely inclusion of aboriginal consultation as a part of the regulatory framework.

is there a reason you didn't expand on the lobbying efforts that EPIC did with Harper Conservatives... I'll note that particular failed attempt it made to have Harper Conservatives meet with provincial governments towards developing a carbon management framework; one that could be included as a part of a formal federal-provincial first ministers review. Wonder why that lobbying effort went no where, hey!

[waldo]

manufactured scandal ... a last ditch effort in the throes of a failed campaign!

[PIK]

Justin Trudeau's national campaign co-chair is stepping down after he sent a detailed email to people behind the Energy East pipeline with advice on how and when to lobby a new government — including a Liberal minority.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-liberal-co-chair-advised-transcanada-on-lobbying-1.3271175

Some things just do not change. They think they have it in the bag and they get sleazy right away.

[Topaz]

Since we actually don't know who could be the PM, what the guy said about corp. wanting to get info. on the a government that is a minority, which could be a Tory, by the way, I can understand that.

[waldo]

duplicate thread

[cybercoma]

Lobyists should not be working for government. Clearly it's a conflict of interest.

ETA: or for a potential gov't.

He's not a lobbyist. That's made clear in the article.

[Moonlight Graham]

manufactured scandal ... a last ditch effort in the throes of a failed campaign!

You defend the Liberals here and brush off this blatant act of depravity because you dislike the Harper gov and want them to lose to the LPC. I want Harper to lose too, and would prefer Trudeau's Liberals over the CPC and will probably vote for the LPC because of that, but this is still disturbing, and I would never defend these kinds of actions, even if it may mean the Liberals lose some support before the election. Wrong is wrong.

[waldo]

You defend the Liberals here and brush off this blatant act of depravity because you dislike the Harper gov and want them to lose to the LPC. Wrong is wrong.

for clarity, in your view, what is/are the actual wrong(s)... legal and/or ethical?

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[overthere]

Somebody phone Judge Gomery and put him on a retainer, on 'standby' status.

They'll need him soon enough.

[Vancouver King]

The libs wont close off the taps. Its in their interests to have these companies doing well which means an increase of tax revenue. It wont be as good for the energy sector as under the tories. Hopefully the energy sector can get some clarity when the libs are sworn in on how things are going to go.

You just don't get it.This is not about gov't oil policy, it's about the co-chair of the Liberal campaign unable to contain his greed as he shoulders his way to a reserve spot at the trough. The stench of corruption permeates the Liberals and they haven't even been sworn in yet.

You really should redouble your focus.

[PIK]

I cant seem to find any mention in the star.

[cybercoma]

While you Conservatives are up in arms over this, and rightfully so, there's something I need to tell you about Lynton Crosby....