ToadBrother Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Has harper ever swore at a member of the house of commons?? Has he flicked the finger at Canadians?? Has he ever grabbed a protester by the throat?? He has never done any of this, but it was done by the trudeaus. But when they do it, they are hero's. There has been a lot of unwarranted negativity towards harper, I just hope people are smart enough to realize that. There's also been a lot of warranted negativity against Harper. His willful concentration of most power into his own office to me is the most egregious of his sins. The PMO is not supposed to be a mini-cabinet, and I can only hope that Trudeau keeps his word and disembowels the PMO and returns more power to Cabinet, where it belongs. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 How is this topic going to provoke any different conversation than "Harper the Disgrace", for example? It's just a bitchfest from someone who can't even start his own topic, but has to grab a page off some other site to use that instead. I was asked by a Harper supporter (can't remember who) in another thread what has Harper done that is so evil? Clearly, he has done enough harm that it deserved its own thread. I thought disgrace is a better word than evil. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 There's also been a lot of warranted negativity against Harper. His willful concentration of most power into his own office to me is the most egregious of his sins. The PMO is not supposed to be a mini-cabinet, and I can only hope that Trudeau keeps his word and disembowels the PMO and returns more power to Cabinet, where it belongs. Agreed and agreed. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 Danny Williams calls Harper's tactics borderline racist. "Over time we've seen that this man cannot be trusted. He had no integrity. He's trying to stifle democracy. There's no end to what he's doing," said Williams. "He's a lousy prime minister who's divisive." Thank you, Danny Williams. That needs to be repeated. There are some who are so blinded by their desire for another boutique tax cut that they can see nothing. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 Since Gleason's other thread was closed, I thought his excellent link should be re-posted here to allow debate. Although I am familiar with much of Harper's wrongdoing, there are many items in this list that I forgot and some of which I wasn't aware. Conservative supporters don't like to face the fact that Harper is the most undemocratic PM in modern Canadian history but the list speaks for itself. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
PIK Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 I was asked by a Harper supporter (can't remember who) in another thread what has Harper done that is so evil? Clearly, he has done enough harm that it deserved its own thread. I thought disgrace is a better word than evil.It was me and you came up with nothing but talking pts. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Danny Williams calls Harper's tactics borderline racist. Thank you, Danny Williams. That needs to be repeated. There are some who are so blinded by their desire for another boutique tax cut that they can see nothing. It seems you and danny or the CBC do not have a clue what racism is. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ReeferMadness Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 It seems you and danny or the CBC do not have a clue what racism is. Thinking people can recognize dog whistle politics when they see it. It must be painful for people who believed Harper when he ran on lofty principles of accountability and transparency to see him reduced to calling in a foreigner to guide him on sleazy politics. Even erstwhile supporters are calling him out. Good for you though. Your loyalty is obviously sufficient to overcome any issues with his disgusting governance. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 It was me and you came up with nothing but talking pts. So, you asked for this thread. You're welcome. I would have to write a book to fully document all of Harper's corruption and sleaze. So, of course I had to abbreviate. What's on the list has been well documented and hardly needs to be justified. I'm just reminding everyone just how big a pile of corrupt and undemocratic acts Harper has compiled. Also, the link I posted above contains more details of many of my points (and many more I had forgotten). Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
dialamah Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 It was me and you came up with nothing but talking pts. Here's one that I think is both disgraceful and embarrassing - abortion is specifically excluded from Canadian-supported maternal and child health initiatives in developing countries. Harper, to appease his base, imposed his own personal preference on women around the world. Recently, he claimed he's trying to avoid creating 'divisive' issues, which only makes me laugh considering the niqab and the 'barbaric practices' hotlline. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/stephen-harper-says-canada-wont-fund-abortions-in-developing-countries-because-its-a-divisive-issue http://www.queensu.ca/sps/qpr/issues/vol5issue5/poirier.pdf http://globalnews.ca/news/1359880/whats-changed-for-moms-and-babies-since-the-2-8b-muskoka-initiative/ Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 An excellent editorial from the The Star on Harper's pandering to anti-Muslim sentiment to gain electoral advantage. Disgraceful. This brings us face to face with a pretty harsh truth about Canada, a country in which people like me frequently refer to tolerance of diversity, proud pluralism and respect for individual freedom as defining values, and a country in which 93 per cent of people rank the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as the most important national symbol. We may think those things about ourselves. But we’re also a country where it appears an election may be won by blatantly disregarding the Charter and promoting intolerance for no discernable reason other than to stick our thumbs in the eye of a minority whose cultural and religious practices we find off-putting. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 There's also been a lot of warranted negativity against Harper. His willful concentration of most power into his own office to me is the most egregious of his sins. The PMO is not supposed to be a mini-cabinet, and I can only hope that Trudeau keeps his word and disembowels the PMO and returns more power to Cabinet, where it belongs. I completely agree with your first two sentences. But it won't affect my vote since I have zero confidence this would change under the two alternatives. Mulcair is clearly, and from many reports, the same sort of uber controlling micromanager as Harper, only he yells at people more. Trudeau, as third party leader is already prepared to do things like boot the entire Liberal Senate out of the caucus and change party policy so that no one can support any sort of anti-choice position - with no consultation with his caucus, nor even informing them about his decision. That does not suggest he's going to be any less controlling. He said there'd be open nominations, but when it liked like a few were going to go against him he quickly stepped in to get his way. His father described MPs as nobodies 50 feet off the hill and Trudeau Junior clearly learned from him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Danny Williams calls Harper's tactics borderline racist. Thank you, Danny Williams. That needs to be repeated. There are some who are so blinded by their desire for another boutique tax cut that they can see nothing. I wonder if he'll have the balls to say the same thing of the Liberal premier of that great big province next door to his, and virtually its entire population. I'm guessing... uh... NOPE! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ReeferMadness Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 I wonder if he'll have the balls to say the same thing of the Liberal premier of that great big province next door to his, and virtually its entire population. I'm guessing... uh... NOPE! Oh, cuz you think the people who are swayed by racist politics aren't smart enough to figure out that this reflects on them as well as Harper. Hmmmmm..... maybe you're right. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 Oh, cuz you think the people who are swayed by racist politics aren't smart enough to figure out that this reflects on them as well as Harper. Hmmmmm..... maybe you're right. It's not racist politics unless a conservative is involved. That's the point. If a Liberal does it the progressives have no issues. You didn't see the progressives in Toronto abandoning the Ontario Liberals when they explicitly ran a 'scary Muslims' campaign, and you don't see them saying anything bad about the Quebec Liberals either. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ReeferMadness Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Posted October 6, 2015 It's not racist politics unless a conservative is involved. That's the point. If a Liberal does it the progressives have no issues. You didn't see the progressives in Toronto abandoning the Ontario Liberals when they explicitly ran a 'scary Muslims' campaign, and you don't see them saying anything bad about the Quebec Liberals either. I'm not sure that's 100% true but I agree that if there are racist politics, it's most often Conservatives behind them. I don't know much about Ontario or Quebec politics and I'm not sure why you keep defending the national Conservatives by pointing to provincial Liberals. Keep trying though. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure that's 100% true but I agree that if there are racist politics, it's most often Conservatives behind them. I don't know much about Ontario or Quebec politics and I'm not sure why you keep defending the national Conservatives by pointing to provincial Liberals. Keep trying though. I'm pointing out what gutless hypocrites the Liberals and NDP are on the issue. Every day it's Stephen Harper Niqab this and Stephan Harper niqab that and Stephen Harper is evil and racist and dangerous but neither one will mention Philippe Couillard's name anywhere in the same galaxy as their strident attacks on anyone who questions the sheer wonderfulness of the niqab. Stephan Harper is evil for saying, "you know, I think it's wrong that someone coming to Canada to join us won't show their face" and he's practically Hiltler reincarnated. Philippe Couillard says "We don't want any of those niqab wearers in our government buildings, not as employees, nor even as visitors" and neither will say a word against him. And btw, virtually all their attacks are in English. This is a big attempt to score points off Harper but only in English Canada. In French they keep their yaps as tightly zipped as they can get away with because Frenchmen don't like niqabs or anyone who supports them. Period. Edited October 6, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ReeferMadness Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Posted October 6, 2015 I'm pointing out what gutless hypocrites the Liberals and NDP are on the issue. Every day it's Stephen Harper Niqab this and Stephan Harper niqab that and Stephen Harper is evil and racist and dangerous but neither one will mention Philippe Couillard's name anywhere in the same galaxy as their strident attacks on anyone who questions the sheer wonderfulness of the niqab. Go take it up with Philippe Couillard. It's not relevant here. I'm not voting for or against him. Maybe you want to berate me because when I criticize Harper, I'm failing to point out he's not as bad as Stalin. And go look up accountability in the dictionary. It doesn't mean blaming your faults on someone else. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 Go take it up with Philippe Couillard. It's not relevant here. It's relevant that the other two party leaders are gutless weasels on this issue. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
angrypenguin Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 And btw, virtually all their attacks are in English. This is a big attempt to score points off Harper but only in English Canada. In French they keep their yaps as tightly zipped as they can get away with because Frenchmen don't like niqabs or anyone who supports them. Period. That's a good point. That completely went over my head. I guess they were forced to address it in the French debates in French but that's about it. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Argus Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 That's a good point. That completely went over my head. I guess they were forced to address it in the French debates in French but that's about it. Yeah, they had no choice, but all of their condemnation was reserved for Harper and his not wanting niqab women at the citizenship ceremonies. They didn't dare mention Quebec's Liberals and their plans to ban niqabs from ALL government premises, including schools. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ReeferMadness Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Posted October 6, 2015 While Harper is running around trumpeting the TPP (the details of which we peons are not allowed to see), the OECD is chasing down the tax dodgers and cheats that his government has spent the last 10 years ignoring. #Harperthedisgrace Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
marcus Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 This is why Harper brought out the divisive niqab non-issue. He wanted this to be squashed. The tale involves Big Oil, millions of taxpayer dollars, call girls and someone the RCMP describes as "one of the prime minister's longest serving advisers": Bruce Carson. And it largely took place at Stephen Harper's alma mater: the University of Calgary between 2009 and 2011 with a cast of industry CEOs as well as several Harper ministers and aides, including Nigel Wright. The basic plan was to use $15 million in taxpayers' money for a university think-tank, chaired by Carson, to foster with industry and the federal government a plan to rebrand the oilsands mega-project as "responsible" and "sustainable" and "clean." Canada's Biggest Political Scandal You Never Heard Of Big oil, taxpayers' millions, call girls and a 'mechanic' named Bruce Carson. Link Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
August1991 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Is this a thread about Harper and busty strippers? Good luck with that. The guy doesn't even take money in brown envelopes. And unlike Trudeau Snr, he doesn't even tolerate people around him taking them either. Edited October 6, 2015 by August1991 Quote
kimmy Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 The call girl is barely related to the issue at hand. One can conclude that mentioning her at all was nothing more than a shameless excuse to include racy pictures taken from her web profile in the article. A shameless attempt to exploit the young woman in an attempt to generate page views. We've talked about Bruce Carson in the past; his business operation attempted to sell water filtration systems to native reservations who were having water quality problems. As Carson had previously worked for the government (including Indian Affairs) within the preceding 5 years, he may (or may not) have been in violation of lobbying rules (the "cooling off period") that were brought in by the Harper government. That he had a 22 year old girlfriend was completely unrelated to the substance of the matter. That she had worked as an escort was completely unrelated to the substance of the matter. That she was to receive some portion of the business's revenues was completely unrelated to the substance of the matter. None of that stuff is against the law. The substance of the matter is that Bruce Carson may have performed restricted lobbying prior to the end of the 5-year cooling off period. Trying to pretend that "the call girl" is part of the story was sleazy journalism, and it's sleazy of OP to make reference to it here. The other issue referenced by the Tyee article is that Carson may have committed more lobbying prior to the expiry of his five year "cooling off period". After his water filtration business, he went on to participate it what may (or may not) have been a lobbying operation on behalf of oil industry interests. He may well be in violation of those rules, but he and his lawyers dispute that his activities fall under the legal definition of lobbying. We will have to wait for the courts to decide. Bruce Carson might not be a very ethical dude. He might not be a very smart one either. Perhaps he should get together with Rahim Jaffer and Helena Guergis and start a rock band. I don't know. I do know that the substance of this issue is possibly 0, 1, or 2 counts of lobbying before the 5 year "cooling off period" has expired. Nothing more. Trying to bring the young woman into it to try to get page hits and attract attention is just tactless. I believe The Tyee is one of those publications that writes frequently about the unfair exploitation of sex workers; how hypocritical of them to pimp out the 22-year old girl to try to generate some page clicks. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
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