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Ex pats in New York throw anti-Harper concert in New York.

"Many people here don't have a way to participate in shaping the democracy that we grew up believing in," Marie-Marguerite Sabongui, one of the organizers, said from New York.

"Our constitutional rights are being violated."

This guy really brings people together. :rolleyes:

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Harper didn't bring in the law stopping non residents from voting. I'm torn on this actually. Our Constitution guarantees everyone the right to vote, but, with our geographic voting system, how do non residents even fit in?

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Harper didn't bring in the law stopping non residents from voting.

Did not know that. Who was it? Do you have supporting documentation, cause if I'm giving up a reason to disapprove of Harper, I want it to be well-documented, also so I can correct those who need correcting (yes, really, I do that).

I'm torn on this actually. Our Constitution guarantees everyone the right to vote, but, with our geographic voting system, how do non residents even fit in?

I'm not torn, I think they should be allowed to vote.

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Did not know that. Who was it? Do you have supporting documentation, cause if I'm giving up a reason to disapprove of Harper, I want it to be well-documented, also so I can correct those who need correcting (yes, really, I do that).

The rule disenfranchising Canadians who have been abroad for more than five years was enacted in 1993 amid debate about the strength of their ties to Canada and their knowledge of domestic politics.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/long-term-expats-don-t-have-right-to-vote-in-federal-elections-court-rules-1.3160110

I'm not torn, I think they should be allowed to vote.

Where do we count their vote?

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The rule disenfranchising Canadians who have been abroad for more than five years was enacted in 1993 amid debate about the strength of their ties to Canada and their knowledge of domestic politics.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/long-term-expats-don-t-have-right-to-vote-in-federal-elections-court-rules-1.3160110

Where do we count their vote?

Thanks for the link and info.

Where do we count it now? I presume that for the first five years these people are away, their votes are counted somewhere (if they vote) so why wouldn't they continue that?

Anyway, seems to be a moot point since the courts have ruled on it.

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The rule disenfranchising Canadians who have been abroad for more than five years was enacted in 1993 amid debate about the strength of their ties to Canada and their knowledge of domestic politics.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/long-term-expats-don-t-have-right-to-vote-in-federal-elections-court-rules-1.3160110

Where do we count their vote?

It was enacted but not enforced until now.

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More proof of Harper dishonesty. During the debates, Harper crowed that his was the first government that saw lower GHG emissions. How much of it was due to his government.

According Professor Mark Jaccard, none.

But in a report released Thursday, Simon Fraser University professor Mark Jaccard concludes that it was not federal action that reduced GHGs, but instead the recession of 2008-09, British Columbia’s carbon tax, and Ontario’s effort to phase out coal-fired power.

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This should make Conservative voters think. But nothing else has so I doubt it.

Here are a dozen signs you might be suffering from Stephen Stockholm Syndrome.

12. You can’t name more than two cabinet ministers, but think Harper has “a really strong team.”

11. You don’t see anything strange in rebranding the Government of Canada “the Harper Government”.

10. You think that the leader of our country refusing to answer more than five pre-selected media questions a day is outrageous. Why should he have to answer any questions at all?

9. Refusing to do debates on major TV networks and forbidding your candidates from talking to the media or appearing at all-candidates meetings isn’t gutless, or anti-democratic, it’s 'good strategy.'

8. The fact that the Tories have cheated in the last two elections doesn’t bother you because that's just politics.

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I'm not torn, I think they should be allowed to vote.

They haven't lived here in five years, which means they also haven't paid anything in taxes in five years. Why should they be able to vote? And what riding do they vote in? The one they lived in five years ago?

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They haven't lived here in five years, which means they also haven't paid anything in taxes in five years. Why should they be able to vote? And what riding do they vote in? The one they lived in five years ago?

Because despite your frequent proclamations otherwise, paying taxes is not a requirement of voting, and never will be.

Now, do you have a serious objections, or more of your invented, pulled out of your posterior objections?

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Because despite your frequent proclamations otherwise, paying taxes is not a requirement of voting, and never will be.

Wasn't your big objection that people affected by laws have the right to vote on them? Well, these people aren't affected by any of our laws either. So you want people who don't live here, who might never live here again, pay no taxes, and have no skin in the game, to vote in our elections?

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Wasn't your big objection that people affected by laws have the right to vote on them? Well, these people aren't affected by any of our laws either. So you want people who don't live here, who might never live here again, pay no taxes, and have no skin in the game, to vote in our elections?

Obviously they are affected by the laws, because this law attempts to eliminate their constitutionally-guaranteed democratic rights.

And you know what, both you and I know very well that when this ends up in court, the Government will lose yet another pointless case that even it knew it would lose.

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Obviously they are affected by the laws, because this law attempts to eliminate their constitutionally-guaranteed democratic rights.

And you know what, both you and I know very well that when this ends up in court, the Government will lose yet another pointless case that even it knew it would lose.

So you think those 50,000 "Canadians" who moved back to Lebanon as soon as they could, for example, and haven't lived here in many years, and have no intention of ever moving back, should all be allowed to vote in the Canadian election? Have I got that right? And all those phony Canadians who took out a passport for insurance but have never lived here, live in Hong Kong and Shang Hai, they should be able to vote too?

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A group of 587 academics has written an open letter taking the Conservatives to task for their divisive politics and the use of vicious propaganda.

Time to go, Harper. You're way beyond your "best before" date and your government is starting to smell.

However, by injecting the inflammatory rhetoric of ‘barbaric cultural practices’ into the current campaign, the Conservative Party has flagrantly crossed the line. The repeated use of this phrase along with a proposed tip line to root out undesirables are cynically calculated to distract and divide citizens by insinuating that some law abiding and peaceful members of the community are freedom-hating barbarians who threaten Canadian society. The Conservatives know that Canada faces no such threat and that the vast majority of citizens, irrespective of their religious commitments or cultural backgrounds, embrace the basic rights and liberties upon which our democracy is based. By conjuring up a phantom menace to the country and implying that some immigrants and religious minorities are enemies, the Conservatives hope to pit Canadians against one another. Like many sophisticated forms of vicious propaganda, the invocation of barbarism is meant to create fear and anxiety rather than to identify a real problem.

Maybe the Conservative supporters on this board can't figure it out but the academics aren't fooled.

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A group of 587 academics has written an open letter taking the Conservatives to task for their divisive politics and the use of vicious propaganda.

Time to go, Harper. You're way beyond your "best before" date and your government is starting to smell.

Maybe the Conservative supporters on this board can't figure it out but the academics aren't fooled.

Goes to show that those who can "do", and those can't, "teach". :rolleyes:

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Those who can, think. Those who can't, worry about niqabs.

Unlike you and others, I think Harper did damn well in his time in government wrt protecting our economy. There's a perverse part of me that wants Trudeau to win, so he can plunge this country into deficits and so we can see what a moron he is by running Canada like Wynne has run Ontario. At the end of the day, the people who really pay are the middle class. Maybe a GST hike, maybe a tax hike, but it doesn't affect me nearly as it affects the traditional middle class. So perhaps, I want a bit of revenge if this all pans out the way the polls do.

I get to look and remain smug while I can then say "I told you so" to the "middle" class who voted for him.

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A group of 587 academics has written an open letter taking the Conservatives to task for their divisive politics and the use of vicious propaganda.

Time to go, Harper. You're way beyond your "best before" date and your government is starting to smell.

Maybe the Conservative supporters on this board can't figure it out but the academics aren't fooled.

You think we care what a bunch of left wing academics thinks or wants or does or says about anything whatsoever? LOL

I did notice a lot of them were from Quebec. I wonder why they didn't write a similar outraged letter when the PQ government proposed their law, or now that the Liberal government has proposed one?

Hypocrites, much?

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Harper the much vaunted (by himself) economist has helped drive the housing bubble.

The ugly truth is that the Harper government has been a key promoter of the great Canadian housing bubble over the past decade. Along with high resource prices, soaring real-estate prices were a cornerstone of Harper’s economic strategy after the crash of 2008, encouraged by low interest rates that made higher house prices seemingly “affordable”.

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You think we care what a bunch of left wing academics thinks or wants or does or says about anything whatsoever? LOL

I did notice a lot of them were from Quebec. I wonder why they didn't write a similar outraged letter when the PQ government proposed their law, or now that the Liberal government has proposed one?

Hypocrites, much?

Maybe that's because the Quebec government underwent a public consultation process before their law was tabled. It wasn't a single right-wing politician running around in an election telling everyone to watch out for Muslims.

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Maybe that's because the Quebec government underwent a public consultation process before their law was tabled. It wasn't a single right-wing politician running around in an election telling everyone to watch out for Muslims.

So you're saying it's okay to ban the niqab from all government premises so long as they hold a consultation process?

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Maybe that's because the Quebec government underwent a public consultation process before their law was tabled. It wasn't a single right-wing politician running around in an election telling everyone to watch out for Muslims.

There isn't a 'single politician running around' - the majority of Canadians support it.

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So you're saying it's okay to ban the niqab from all government premises so long as they hold a consultation process?

Personally, I don't think that a government should impinge on anyone's right to wear what they want unless they can demonstrate harm. And I don't think that you could do that with a niqab so no, I don't think it would be OK.

However, I will say that if Harper engaged in a constructive fashion with academics and political opponents (as they did in Quebec), then he wouldn't have looked like he was pandering to bigots.

Context is everything. Have you seen the open letter signed by almost 600 academics?

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