ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 I didn't think he knew about it at first, but I'm positive that he did. It doesn't make me care any more about that particular issue. Harper was the issue. His supporters kept trying the "nothing to see here, folks" line but the issue was less about Duffy or Wright than it was about Harper. After he dictated his own interpretation of residency and the PMO was seen meddling in the senate audit, then he tried to say the senate was an independent body and he knew nothing about what was going on. None of it made sense and he looked like a liar. Which is probably what happened. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
blueblood Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Just like Duffygate. He's a micro-manager right up to the point where it's time to find someone to take the fall. Then he's completely oblivious. My guess how it went down. Harper was aware of duffy stuff through msm and gave direction to the pmo to deal with it. Harper wouldnt be stupid enough to associate himself in writing with that scandal, thats what the lackeys in the pmo are for. All harper has to know is that its dealt with (even though in reality it was made worse) Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Harper was the issue. His supporters kept trying the "nothing to see here, folks" line but the issue was less about Duffy or Wright than it was about Harper. After he dictated his own interpretation of residency and the PMO was seen meddling in the senate audit, then he tried to say the senate was an independent body and he knew nothing about what was going on. None of it made sense and he looked like a liar. Which is probably what happened. Yep. First he supported Nigel Wright, then he claimed he accepted Nigel's resignation, then he contradicted all that and claimed he fired Nigel. I bet it will be interesting to hear Nigel's side of the story. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 My guess how it went down. Harper was aware of duffy stuff through msm and gave direction to the pmo to deal with it. Hahahahahaha You think Harper read about it in the papers? lol If you really believe that, you're the only one. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
blueblood Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Hahahahahaha You think Harper read about it in the papers? lol If you really believe that, you're the only one. He probably didnt give two figs where duffy was from or his spending and didnt see it as a problem till the msm brought it up. Saw it as a problem Then he delegated. Just like chretien delegated stuff to his lackeys to do, thats what they are there for. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Harper was the issue. His supporters kept trying the "nothing to see here, folks" line but the issue was less about Duffy or Wright than it was about Harper. My point is that we all knew that he had knowledge of that. We all care to varying degrees. He still isn't evil. Edited October 13, 2015 by Smallc Quote
waldo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 He probably didnt give two figs where duffy was from or his spending and didnt see it as a problem till the msm brought it up. Saw it as a problem Then he delegated. Just like chretien delegated stuff to his lackeys to do, thats what they are there for. delegated? Apparently Harper was most front and center as a part of the cover-up... it was Harper who decided to be a 'constitutional lawyer' and declare that only one of the two criteria for Senate eligibility applied... not only to Duffy... but to any appointee! HandsOnHarper! Quote
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 My guess how it went down. Harper was aware of duffy stuff through msm and gave direction to the pmo to deal with it. Harper wouldnt be stupid enough to associate himself in writing with that scandal, thats what the lackeys in the pmo are for. I don't think he directed it, but he did know. Too many people knew for him not to. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 He probably didnt give two figs where duffy was from or his spending and didnt see it as a problem till the msm brought it up. Saw it as a problem Then he delegated. Just like chretien delegated stuff to his lackeys to do, thats what they are there for. No, he told Duffy where he "was from" even though Duffy expressed his doubts. Quote
blueblood Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 I don't think he directed it, but he did know. Too many people knew for him not to. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
blueblood Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 I don't think he directed it, but he did know. Too many people knew for him not to. I think all he knew was problem and told the pmo to solve it as he doesnt want his name anywhere near that. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 I think all he knew was problem and told the pmo to solve it as he doesnt want his name anywhere near that. So you believe that Duffy needed Harper's permission to repay the money? "Good to go" meant that Harper approved Duffy repaying his expenses? Again, I think you would be among a very few people who would believe that. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
blueblood Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 So you believe that Duffy needed Harper's permission to repay the money? "Good to go" meant that Harper approved Duffy repaying his expenses? Again, I think you would be among a very few people who would believe that. I think it was all done thru the pmo lackeys. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 More Harper Lies Macleans Magazine corrected Harper's crap about how the Liberals are allegedly raising taxes. However, Harper’s list included a number of alleged tax hikes that aren’t on the Liberal agenda and omitted a number of other measures aimed at giving middle-class families more, not less, money. Dear Canada. Please give this odious party so few seats that they will tar and feather this cretinous man and run him out of town. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ToadBrother Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 I think it was all done thru the pmo lackeys. So do I, but really, how does that make Harper looking any better? Considering he's concentrated so much power in the PMO, his use of that level of power is to let his Chief of Staff and other senior advisers concoct what has to be the worst coverup in Canadian history. Quote
Topaz Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 The situation were the PM says I didn't know...bull. Wright said he HAD to go and talk to the PM FIRST, before giving answer and after he came back and said it good to go. If Wright decided himself, there wouldn't be a need to talk to the PM. The next question is, is Harper going to write a book about being a PM and change history like GW Bush did or tired in his book?? Quote
waldo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 oh my! Focus groups say it's a winner winner, chicken dinner! Harper's playing the GameShowHost for a second day running on the campaign trail... yesterday's "show" brought forward this fact checking to flush out more of Harper's porkies: A reality check on Stephen Harper’s math: ‘Ka-ching.’ Conservative Leader Stephen Harper played game show host Monday to demonstrate the thousands of dollars Conservatives claim would be taken from the average family’s pocket if Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau were to win power on Oct. 19. To the constant “ka-ching, ka-ching” chirp of a cash register, Nicole Ropp, a married mother of three, piled up $20 bills as Harper rhymed off a list of a purported tax increases Canadians can expect from a Liberal government. For the Ropp family, it all added up to about $8,000, according to Harper. However, Harper’s list included a number of alleged tax hikes that aren’t on the Liberal agenda and omitted a number of other measures aimed at giving middle-class families more, not less, money. Quote
poochy Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 More Harper Lies Macleans Magazine corrected Harper's crap about how the Liberals are allegedly raising taxes. Dear Canada. Please give this odious party so few seats that they will tar and feather this cretinous man and run him out of town. When you are going to take away income splitting and then give them a tax break that results in a much smaller overall reduction in taxes you aren't giving them a tax break, you are keeping more of their money, i know, it's complicated. Anyway, don't let the truth get in the way of your ridiculous hyperbole, the truth just cramps your style, we wouldn't want that. Quote
dialamah Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) When you are going to take away income splitting and then give them a tax break that results in a much smaller overall reduction in taxes you aren't giving them a tax break, you are keeping more of their money, i know, it's complicated. Anyway, don't let the truth get in the way of your ridiculous hyperbole, the truth just cramps your style, we wouldn't want that.Income splitting doesn't help me, nor two thirds of other Canadians. Tax break does. The child benefit in Liberals platform helps 8 of my family members more than Harper's. Poochy, its unfortunate for you that Harper's boutique tax credits didn't help enough people, and that even people who benefited from them have been so turned off by his other policies that they're willing to give them up. Edited October 13, 2015 by dialamah Quote
waldo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 ... the truth just cramps your style, we wouldn't want that. ceptin' that Macleans link dispenses with some of your declared "truth" and shines a light on some of the outright lies (direct or by omission) Harper was fronting as he played the GameShowHost yesterday! Quote
poochy Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Income splitting doesn't help me, nor two thirds of other Canadians. Tax break does. The child benefit in Liberals platform helps 8 of my family members more than Harper's. Poochy, its unfortunate for you that Harper's boutique tax credits didn't help enough people, and that even people who benefited from them have been so turned off by his other policies that they're willing to give them up. You're right, it helps families who actually work for the money. It's just so 1950's, so unfashionable. Quote
dialamah Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 What a dickhead thing to say. All my family nembers work, sometimes two jobs. Why are so many Conservatives so quick to assume that people who don't make scads of money don't work at all? Quote
PIK Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 What a dickhead thing to say. All my family nembers work, sometimes two jobs. Why are so many Conservatives so quick to assume that people who don't make scads of money don't work at all? Then you are lying about it does not work for you. I know people that have now changed their vote because of what it did for them And now they don't want to lose it. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
dialamah Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Then you are lying about it does not work for you. I know people that have now changed their vote because of what it did for them And now they don't want to lose it. In order for the family income splitting to be taken advantage of, one has to be partnered up and one has to be making a pretty good wage. Even if my boyfriend lived with me, we do not make enough to take advantage of income splitting - if I applied for it, we might get $75. My daughter is a single parent; income splitting does not help her. My son's children live with their mother; she has a partner who lives with her, but they together do not make enough money to benefit from income splitting. Harper's family income splitting is designed for a two-parent family, one of whom is making something like $30,000 more than the other. This supports the ideal "50s family" scenario, where mom doesn't work or works part-time and dad is the main breadwinner and brings home high wages. It doesn't work for single parents, couples who have roughly equal incomes or couples who's combined total is less than than $70,000.00 So, maybe you need to check your facts about exactly how 'great' this benefit is. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 So, a decade after Harper coming to power on a platform of accountability and transparency, government secrecy is so deeply engrained that a government leak is now considered a threat to democracy and a reason to call in the RCMP. Using Biguzs's logic, federal scientists who decide the public should know about a scientific finding about the quality of the air we breathe or water we drink are unethical underminers of democracy, too, unless they seek permission to speak, which is rather difficult to obtain nowadays in Ottawa. So Biguzs and her political masters might want to ponder this: If the information about the refugee review and the faulty passports had been divulged in a timely fashion, as a matter of public accountability, democracy would not only have been served, there'd be no need to call the police. Let's get rid of these guys in 6 days. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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