eyeball Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Sorry...fuzzy "Charter Politics" is for Canada, not enumerated rights in the U.S. Isn't it the fuzzy unenumerated rights that are at issue? I mean not with you per se but generally? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) What is the intended use of firearms other than target shooting and hunting? Brandishing, suicide, intentional homicide, unintentional homicide, other lethal and nonlethal force, ceremony (e.g. gun salutes), live and non-live fire training, motion picture props, performance, line throwing, and other public safety not associated with hunting. Edited October 5, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Isn't it the fuzzy unenumerated rights that are at issue? I mean not with you per se but generally? Only for those who don't like how the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on such matters. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Brandishing, suicide, intentional homicide, unintentional homicide, other lethal and nonlethal force, ceremony (e.g. gun salutes), live and non-live fire training, motion picture props, performance, line throwing, and other public safety not associated with hunting.All worthy uses on par with providing transportation. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 All worthy uses on par with providing transportation. Transportation must be more worthy, because according to WHO, traffic accidents kill about 1.24 million per year. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Transportation must be more worthy, because according to WHO, traffic accidents kill about 1.24 million per year.Well, If you were forced to make a choice, which would you give up? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Well, If you were forced to make a choice, which would you give up? Transportation...because I can always jack a ride with a gun ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Transportation...because I can always jack a ride with a gun !And maybe you would get shot trying. It's OK, I didn't expect an honest answer. Just wondered what you would come up with. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 And maybe you would get shot trying. It's OK, I didn't expect an honest answer. Just wondered what you would come up with. False choices don't get honest answers. Gun rights come with U.S. citizenship. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) False choices don't get honest answers. Gun rights come with U.S. citizenship. Who who brought up the parallel between guns and cars? You really are a waste of time. Edited October 5, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Who who brought up the parallel between guns and cars? You really are a waist of time. Government already takes away transportation as being a privilege, not the same as gun rights. It is a waste of time trying to explain this concept many times....and which deaths are routinely tolerated. Edited October 5, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Black Dog Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) For good reason. First of all many of these gun control nuts were the ones that emptied the mental institutions and made forced hospitalization almost impossible, as a violation of the civil liberties of those that can't care for themselves. Cite required. One of the biggest proponents of deinstitutionalization was none other than raging liberal Ronald Reagan. Edited October 5, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Cite required. One of the biggest proponents of deinstitutionalization was none other than raging liberal Ronald Reagan. Never let facts get in the way of a crazy right-wing conspiracy! Quote
Black Dog Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 Then change the US constitution. Your beloved anti-abortion movement has managed to get countless barriers and restrictions on abortion enacted across the U.S. and more will certainly follow in spite of Roe v. Wade, all because of the lobbying of a tiny, but powerful minority. Why would gun control be any different? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 Gun rights are enumerated in the U.S. Constitution....abortion "rights"...not so much. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Black Dog Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 Gun rights are enumerated in the U.S. Constitution....abortion "rights"...not so much. This bullshit didn't fly the first time you tried it upthread either, but points for persistence (though none for originality). Quote
cybercoma Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 This bullshit didn't fly the first time you tried it upthread either, but points for persistence (though none for originality). And here I thought the mod said posting the same thing over and over again was trolling. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 Obviously not....repeatedly whining in the same way about gun rights in the USA is permitted. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 If you don't like the conversation because it's "whining" as you say, then don't participate in it. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 If you don't like the conversation because it's "whining" as you say, then don't participate in it. But I do like it, particularly when it takes such a softball turn about posting the "same thing". Americans have gun rights without apology.....in Oregon...and lots of other states too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 The myth of defensive gun ownership. It may sound reassuring, but is utterly false. In fact, gun owners are far more likely to end up like Theodore Wafer or Eusebio Christian, accidentally shooting an innocent person or seeing their weapons harm a family member, than be heroes warding off criminals. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 The myth of the good guy with a gun. There’s Joe Zamudio, who came running to help when he heard the gunfire that injured Gabby Giffords and killed six others in Tucson. But by the time Zamudio was on the scene, unarmed civilians had already tackled and disarmed the perpetrator. Zamudio later said that, in his confusion, he was within seconds of shooting the wrong person. Many of these shooters intend to die, either by their own hand or by suicide by cop. There was an armed guard at Columbine. There were armed campus police at Virginia Tech. The presence of armed security does not seem to be a deterrent,” Langman said. “Because they’re not trying to get away with it. They’re going in essentially on a suicide mission.” If the NRA had its way and everyone was packing weapons all the time, I wonder what would really happen when a bunch of random civilians, none of whom would have training or experience about how to deal with these situations all put out guns and converge on a place where shots are fired. It's just as likely they would start shooting at each other. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
eyeball Posted October 8, 2015 Report Posted October 8, 2015 I wonder what would really happen when a bunch of random civilians, none of whom would have training or experience about how to deal with these situations all put out guns and converge on a place where shots are fired. It's just as likely they would start shooting at each other. Sorta like a subway car in a Predator movie? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2015 Report Posted October 8, 2015 Sorta like a subway car in a Predator movie? No...more like Bernie Goetz...a real life "Subway Gunman" and gun rights folk hero. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 8, 2015 Report Posted October 8, 2015 It's just as likely they would start shooting at each other.More than likely. It happens occasionally with trained people. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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