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[Scotty]

I thought Trudeau hit the nail on the head when he commented on Chris Alexanders flip flopping on the issue by saying "you don't all of a sudden discover you are compassionate in the middle of an election campaign"

I don't want a prime minister who cries all the time. And his so-called compassion doesn't extend to him not being delighted to make use of the refugee crises to further his own political aims. OH! LOOK AT HOW COMPASSION AT I AM! VOTE FOR ME! I'M MUCH NICER AND KINDER THAN THOSE GUYS!

How much of his own money is multi millionaire Trudeau going to donate to help refugees? He could easily give a million or two and have lots left! Why isn't he!?

I bet Trudeau is praying there's more pictures of dead children so he can hold the picture up and give us his sad puppy dog eyes.

Edited September 8, 2015 by Scotty

[waldo]

so we have a status update that draws aspersion on refugees, in particular 'Mediterranian by sea' refugees. The status update specifically reads as:

The UN says 75% of migrants are men, only 12% women, 13% kids. So: the opposite of “women and children first .... http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html

and, of course, comments added to the update (so far) continue the intended denigration. Full disclosure/credit is really needed as this gem originates from the site, Refugee Resettlement Watch (RRW), per it's editor "Ann Corcoran"

for equal perspective on that site and it's intent, I trust there may be some familiarity with the U.S. "Southern Poverty Law Center" --- as it has much to say about RRW/Corcoran: Lauded by Racist Groups, Refugee Resettlement Watch Founder Ann Corcoran Moves Further Right

In 2007, Maryland activist Ann Corcoran founded the blog Refugee Resettlement Watch (RWW) in response to what she saw as a “grievous error” by the government in taking in Muslim refugees. In the years since, racist groups have increasingly adopted her as one of their own, no surprise given her growing radicalization.

In recent years, the conflict in Syria and last summer’s surge in the number of children fleeing violence in Central America and coming to the U.S. has pushed the issue of refugees into the spotlight. And Corcoran’s blog, which focuses on that issue, has increasingly attracted both anti-Muslim groups and anti-immigrant groups who see her work as a crucial part of their agenda.

Over the past year, for instance, Corcoran has worked very closely with one of the leading anti-Muslim figures in the U.S., Frank Gaffney. Gaffney, who runs the anti-Muslim group Center for Security Policy (CSP), is gripped by paranoid fantasies about Muslims destroying the West from within, like the baseless idea that “creeping Shariah” or Islamic religious law is a dire threat to American democracy.

In March, Corcoran spoke at Gaffney’s National Security Action Summit in Columbia, S.C., and a month later CSP published her “Refugee Resettlement and the Hijra to America.” The 78-page screed calls for Americans to oppose the opening of mosques in their neighborhoods and also calls for a ban on all Muslim immigration to the U.S.

Corcoran has also solidified her ties with the largest anti-Muslim grassroots group in the country, ACT! for America. ACT! boasts hundreds of chapters around the U.S. and its leader, Brigitte Gabriel, is closely tied to a number of politicians. Gabriel, who views Islam as a grave threat to the United States, Israel and the West, is prone to sweeping generalizations and exaggerations as she describes a grand, sophisticated Muslim conspiracy bent on world domination.

Corcoran is scheduled to speak at this year’s ACT! conference, which attracts a number of elected officials, in Washington, D.C. ACT! recently launched a Refugee Resettlement Working Group that aims to make sure that “potential terrorists are kept on the outside looking in.” It is unclear how significant of a role Corcoran will play in this group, but it is clear that Gabriel thinks very highly of her.

Corcoran also has made inroads with a number of other groups in this sphere. In May of this year, Corcoran was a guest on the “Ruthie Report,” an anti-immigrant radio show run by Ruthie Hendrycks, head of one of the most active nativist groups in Minnesota, Minnesotans Seeking Immigration Reform (MINNSIR). In 2012, she was published in the racist journal The Social Contract (TSC), which was founded by white nationalist John Tanton, the founder of the modern-day anti-immigrant movement. Two years prior to Corcoran’s article, TSC published an issue titled “The Menace of Islam,” which called for a ban on Muslim immigration to the U.S. — the same call made by Corcoran in her recent monograph for CSP.

Corcoran is candid about her views on multiculturalism and immigration. As she writes on her blog: “There needs to be a national debate about how many refugees and other immigrants we take and from what cultures they come from. Frankly, we have made a grievous error in taking the Muslim refugees, Somalis in particular, who have no intention of becoming Americans. They are here to change America. Unfortunately, political correctness and a worshipful attitude toward multiculturalism have blinded us.”

Even more unfortunately, some people actually take Corcoran seriously.

now... there could be a discussion around the regional demographics of those arriving by sea 'in the Mediterranean' ... there could be that. Perhaps if I get a few bites here there might be that discussion. But later, as I'm off to do some grocery shopping now!

[Scotty]

so we have a status update that draws aspersion on refugees, in particular 'Mediterranian by sea' refugees. The status update specifically reads as:

and, of course, comments added to the update (so far) continue the intended denigration. Full disclosure/credit is really needed as this gem originates from the site, Refugee Resettlement Watch (RRW), per it's editor "Ann Corcoran"

for equal perspective on that site and it's intent, I trust there may be some familiarity with the U.S. "Southern Poverty Law Center" --- as it has much to say about RRW/Corcoran: Lauded by Racist Groups, Refugee Resettlement Watch Founder Ann Corcoran Moves Further Right

Did the cite quote the UN accurately or not?

Because if it did the rest of your whinging character assassination is completely off-topic and pointless.

Maybe you could post some 'unbiased' cites about how good immigration is from immigration lawyers again, Waldo!

Edited September 8, 2015 by Scotty

[waldo]

Did the cite quote the UN accurately or not?

Because if it did the rest of your whinging character assassination is completely off-topic and pointless.

Maybe you could post some 'unbiased' cites about how good immigration is from immigration lawyers again, Waldo!

perhaps read my whole post... including the closing comment. Certainly, you could take that up and perhaps offer your own view/comment on the demographic statistic highlighted within the original status update..... as taken from that RRW site (without source attribution) You could do that, right? Here's a thought... a heads-up freebee from the waldo: the UN has much to say on the demographics of refugees! You're welcome!

Edited September 8, 2015 by waldo

[waldo]

They don't keep stats based on religion, no, which IT SAYS IN THE CITE. But they do keep stats on how many of the rapes are being committed by non-Swedes. And they're all Muslims. In fact, the statistics understate the case since Muslim immigrants who are now Swedish citizens won't appear as anything other then Swedish! But the Swedish government is even more desperately politically correct than the authorities in the UK were when they overlooked all those child rapes.

damn you have big ones! I completely trash your nonsense and you simply come back with more of it! Citation request... this time from a reputable source, hey!

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Edited September 8, 2015 by waldo

[cybercoma]

Did the cite quote the UN accurately or not?

Because if it did the rest of your whinging character assassination is completely off-topic and pointless.

Actually, it's not an ad hominem if the person's character actually has something to do with the topic they're discussing. For instance, you saying an immigration lawyer might have an interest in increasing immigration or waldo saying that racist nationalists may have an interest in keeping them out.

[On Guard for Thee]

I don't want a prime minister who cries all the time. And his so-called compassion doesn't extend to him not being delighted to make use of the refugee crises to further his own political aims. OH! LOOK AT HOW COMPASSION AT I AM! VOTE FOR ME! I'M MUCH NICER AND KINDER THAN THOSE GUYS!

How much of his own money is multi millionaire Trudeau going to donate to help refugees? He could easily give a million or two and have lots left! Why isn't he!?

I bet Trudeau is praying there's more pictures of dead children so he can hold the picture up and give us his sad puppy dog eyes.

So you won't be voting for Harper either. Great.

[Guest]

- the most obvious universal trait in everything awful that is attributed to Muslim men and Islam is conservatism. Not culture or religion or anything else, conservatism....the bane of human existence virtually everywhere. Even in communist countries.

But isn't that conservatism part of their culture, and isn't it driven by their religion?

[Argus]

There are different type of refugees. I was referring to economic refugees. Those who wish to flee poverty and seek better lives in Europe and North America. And there are hundreds of millions if not billions.

Harper had a strong point when confronted on the issue and the picture of the dead boy. He said no matter how many refugees we take, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, there will still be pictures like that. We can't possibly take enough to have any real impact on the amount of those remaining, not just from Syria and Iraq but all across the world.

All we can really do is damage our own society and economic well-being.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Argus

[ReeferMadness]

I would like to address just a few of the comments placed on this thread.

I lack the time to adequately address all of your nonsense but I will take on a few of the most ridiculous comments

2. In regards to Reefer's comment that Iraq had a socialized economy that functioned before the US invaded and to anyone else who wants to blame the current situation on the invasion of Iraq and revise the Hussein era-Iraq under Hussein was never socialist. That is an out and out falsehood. There were no cooperatives. The government had no direct economic involvement other than to provide soldiers to protect individuals in the same tribe as Hussein run businesses of which there were very few. Iraq subsisted on a black market and rudimentary swap and barter economy. Its oil was controlled by the government and never distributed to the masses but used for revenue to fund its military....

Huh. So, I'm not an expert on the middle east but here is what Gwynne Dyer had to say back in 2003 before Hussein was given a show trial and executed

Besides, Saddam Hussein is no friend of al-Qaeda. He is the kind of Arab leader the Islamists hate most: a secular, westernising socialist who liberates women and makes deals with the West. Osama bin Laden says he is an ‘infidel’ and has been calling for his overthrow for years.

Saddam Hussein, who is 66 this year, comes from the Arab generation that believed in modernisation through revolutionary socialism on the Eastern European model. During the 1970s he behaved like a classic Communist leader, eliminating his rivals but taking the task of raising people’s living standards quite seriously. With abundant oil revenues available, he built an Iraq where most people had decent jobs, the children were all in school, and women were freer than anywhere else in the Arab world. Then came the war with Iran, and everything went wrong.

But that's just Gwynne Dyer. He's only a military historian with a PhD in military and middle eastern history. I'm sure you have much better credentials.

Some of us are students of history.

Hahahahaha. You mean you should be a student of history. You clearly have some things to learn.

4. To argue Muslim fundamentalist or extremism is not compatible or comes into conflict with Canadian moral values and laws is a fact. Its not racist, its not bigoted, to acknowledge that- it is a fact demonstrated right now as Muslims pull their children from sex ed classes.

Are we to assume that you would favour deporting all of the fundamentalist Christians who object to sexual education classes?

6. As for the reference to Joe Clark saying we have the capacity to screen out terrorists from innocent refugees I would like the quote please because I doubt he said that. He did say we have capacity to take in refugees but I do not think he said that.

Well it took me about 19 milliseconds to find this

HALIFAX -- Former prime minister Joe Clark says he believes Canadian officials can overcome obstacles to speed up the acceptance of Syrian refugees, much as his government found ways to airlift Vietnamese boat people after he won office in 1979.

"We have the capacity to do more. ... I think everyone recognizes that and we have a tradition of doing more," he said in an interview Friday from his home in Ottawa.

Do you think he meant just take everyone??? You have no credibility.

[drummindiver]

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Edited September 9, 2015 by drummindiver

[WestCoastRunner]

But isn't that conservatism part of their culture, and isn't it driven by their religion?

They are mistakenly using their religion and usually in remote communities where there is a lack of literate Muslim leaders to educate them on the Quran. So yes conservatism is very much a part of these isolated communities.

[WestCoastRunner]

Harper had a strong point when confronted on the issue and the picture of the dead boy. He said no matter how many refugees we take, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, there will still be pictures like that. We can't possibly take enough to have any real impact on the amount of those remaining, not just from Syria and Iraq but all across the world.

All we can really do is damage our own society and economic well-being.

Imagine the huge impact on families that we do help.

[Big Guy]

It is ironic that of all issues, the one of refugee acceptance may be the cause of the EU unravelling. Germany has called for mandatory quotas for member states for the settlement of refugees while member nations are balking at the directive. This is getting interesting.

[eyeball]

But isn't that conservatism part of their culture, and isn't it driven by their religion?

No, its the other way around and the religion is being driven by conservatism. Normally conservatism is a healthy aspect and influence in every human society and culture. The problem is when it morphs from being a mere influence to an organizing force that conservatism becomes such a dangerous thing. As it's increasingly becoming in societies around the planet.

[Guest]

They are mistakenly using their religion and usually in remote communities where there is a lack of literate Muslim leaders to educate them on the Quran. So yes conservatism is very much a part of these isolated communities.

No, its the other way around and the religion is being driven by conservatism. Normally conservatism is a healthy aspect and influence in every human society and culture. The problem is when it morphs from being a mere influence to an organizing force that conservatism becomes such a dangerous thing. As it's increasingly becoming in societies around the planet.

I have to say I disagree with both of you here. I think literacy in a Muslim leader isn't relevant, as one can see from the radicals in western countries like the UK. They might be mistakenly using their religion, but only so far as it mistakes the position you have on it. As far as they're concerned, their position is the correct one. And interpretation is all that matters in religion.

The fundamental belief that the law of God takes precedence over all others is what drives what eyeball sees as conservatism. Their interpretation of the law of God, of course.

[WestCoastRunner]

I think Harper should let this dude in wearing the Canadian hoodie.

[Guest]

I think Harper should let this dude in wearing the Canadian hoodie.

Dodgy link?

My fault. Got it.

Edited September 9, 2015 by bcsapper

[WestCoastRunner]

Dodgy link?

My fault. Got it.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2015/09/06/world/europe/migrants-journey/s/20150906_MIGRANTS-slide-W4CH.html

[Guest]

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2015/09/06/world/europe/migrants-journey/s/20150906_MIGRANTS-slide-W4CH.html

Oooh, it says "Death to" above the Canada logo.

Edit> Sorry, it's a cup.

Edited September 9, 2015 by bcsapper

[WestCoastRunner]

Oooh, it says "Death to" above the Canada logo.

Edit> Sorry, it's a cup.

[PIK]

Reported to day on the radio ,it seems most of the migrants are young able bodies men. They are not refugees, but illegals.

[scribblet]

According to the U.N. report 75% are male. Denmark is rejecting them.

http://news.yahoo.com/denmark-sends-first-group-refugees-back-germany-155642263.html

[BubberMiley]

Reported to day on the radio ,it seems most of the migrants are young able bodies men. They are not refugees, but illegals.

You forgot the talking point about them having cell phones.

[Rue]

Citizen you start off admitting you are ignorant, then provide an example of it. Instead of making nonsensical comments about a country called Arabia go find out. This is particularly why I have no time of day for your comments. You come on the board defending Iran and whitewashing its support of terrorism then make sweeping nonsensical comments about a country that never existed.

There was no Arabia. There were at times alpha males, leaders of certain Arab families or tribes that ruled, but there was never a country called Arabia in what is now Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, Israel,Irag, Jordan, the West Bank, , Yemen, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain.

The Arabian peninsula was not a country. It was part of empires of conquest at one point by Saladin, another time the Ottoman Empire.

Would you please go look it up before in one breath you claim to be ignorant then in the next breath make something up because you think it appropriate to write about something you admit you do not understand.

Lawrence of Arabia was a movie for phacks sake.

Its a geographic reference, not a national reference.

The Muslim people of the Middle East still disagree as to its exact location. Some argue it should exclude Jordan and Syria.

There was never a nation with a central government. It was the geographic location of numerous tribes who came and went sometimes forming confederations and at other times warring against one another.