drummindiver Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 We know how the tin hat shit works. You should. You wear them enough.
drummindiver Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 I'm not defending it. It needs to end. I don't support it in any way shape or form. You and your ilk seem to have serious difficulty sussing out the difference between explaining things and defending them. Clearly, you are a liar. You did defend it, stating women wanted it. People of my ilk would not condone it.
PIK Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Islam takes it time. They will eventually control most countries. Look at England and Germany, they are losing their countries to Islam. And our charter of rights make us perfect target to slowly take over by any group. It is time for these people to take back their countries. The world can not ands should not allow this total migration to happen. We have built a great country ,why give in to a religion that has ruined many countries. This guilt trip Canadian s are on must end. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 And you know this how? I've interacted with a ton of newcomers to Canada and I have yet to meet anyone who came here because they admire our legal system. Every one I have met came here because we're a lot richer than where they came from and they hope to live in a big house and drive a big car, and have their kids live in an even bigger house and drive an even bigger car. Which is one of the ideas that my immigrant grand parents had in mind when they came to this country, and which has been achieved. I don't think there was any thought to somehow undermine the legal system along the way. Most understand that would be counter productive to that original idea.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 You should. You wear them enough. Then clearly you don't understand how it works.
Smallc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Do you have any examples of liberal progressive fundamentalist religious fanatics...even one? I'm an atheist, remember? The problem in the middle east is beyond religion and extends to culture. Edited September 10, 2015 by Smallc
Scotty Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) And yet FGM isn't practiced throughout the Muslim world and the Muslim world has had more female heads of state than Canada and the US combined. Funny that. The Muslim world has something like 60 countries in it, so it's more than slightly dishonest to bleat about it having had more female leaders than Canada. The Muslim world is also filled with tribalism, and the only female leaders it has had were members of ruling families where there were no male relatives available. And while FGM isn't practiced throughout the Muslim world misogyny takes many forms, and that IS heavily present throughout the Muslim world, especially in the ME. Maybe they don't practice FGM in Afghanistan or Pakistan but they still beat the shit out of any woman who dares to show the slightest sign of independence - or even dares to show her face. Edited September 10, 2015 by Scotty It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
drummindiver Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Which is one of the ideas that my immigrant grand parents had in mind when they came to this country, and which has been achieved. I don't think there was any thought to somehow undermine the legal system along the way. Most understand that would be counter productive to that original idea. Unfortunately, Islam clearly states going to different countries and usurping existing governments is the goal.
drummindiver Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Then clearly you don't understand how it works. Again, you're right. I don't wear a tin hat.
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Clearly, you are a liar. You did defend it, stating women wanted it. People of my ilk would not condone it. Screw you, I'm a liar. I made a point that some women in Africa support the practice and gave their reason why. That doesn't mean that I support the practice.
Scotty Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Which is one of the ideas that my immigrant grand parents had in mind when they came to this country, and which has been achieved. I don't think there was any thought to somehow undermine the legal system along the way. Most understand that would be counter productive to that original idea. Who is talking about undermining the legal system? The law is a reflection of society. The more misogyny in society, the more misogyny there will be in our laws. Can you deny that? It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 I should also point out the ignorance that this is a "Muslim" practice, considering there are Christians and even one sect of Jews who practice it in Africa.
drummindiver Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 And yet FGM isn't practiced throughout the Muslim world and the Muslim world has had more female heads of state than Canada and the US combined. Funny that. The Muslim world has something like 60 countries in it, so it's more than slightly dishonest to bleat about it having had more female leaders than Canada. The Muslim world is also filled with tribalism, and the only female leaders it has had were members of ruling families where there were no available male relatives available. And while FGM isn't practiced throughout the Muslim world misogyny takes many forms, and that IS heavily present throughout the Muslim world, especially in the ME. Maybe they don't practice FGM in Afghanistan or Pakistan but they still beat the shit out of any woman who dares to show the slightest sign of independence - or even dares to show her face. He just wrote women in Africa want Female Genital Mutilation. But but people of your ilk don't know how to suss when I defend FGM
Scotty Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 I should also point out the ignorance that this is a "Muslim" practice, considering there are Christians and even one sect of Jews who practice it in Africa. My focus is and has always been on the misogynistic mindset behind such acts, not on the acts themselves. You don't get rid of the acts until you change the mindset. And I do not welcome that mindset from whatever part of the world where it thrives. I do not want it here in small part or large. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
drummindiver Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Screw you, I'm a liar. I made a point that some women in Africa support the practice and gave their reason why. That doesn't mean that I support the practice. Keep defending it CC People of your ilk may understand your support, but I don't No effing wonder your avatar is hiding his face..should be ashamed Edited September 10, 2015 by drummindiver
Smallc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Really? Strawman much? Bringing a few here seems very selective and arbitrary if we're trying to save them from a practice done to 92% of women, doesn't it?
BubberMiley Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Keep defending it CC People of your ilk may understand your support, but I don't No effing wonder your avatar is hiding his face..should be ashamed You shouldn't just make stuff up. It makes you look foolish. Weren't you arguing yesterday that 75% of the refugees were young men? Edited September 10, 2015 by BubberMiley "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 It's not my fault you people know absolutely nothing about FGM other than your ideological rants about keeping Muslims out of the country. What I won't stand for is you sitting her and even suggesting that I support it when I'm vehemently opposed to it. What I'm doing here is correcting your stunning ignorance on the topic. If you don't care to understand anything about the practices, when they originated (before Islam even arrived in Africa), or what the people in those countries think about the practice, then piss off. But don't sit here and put words in my mouth and insult me by saying I support such abhorrent acts. Take your scumbag bullshit trolling routine somewhere else.
Smallc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 I thought the whole premise of youse guys' screech was the cultural attachment! As a part of the "immigrant screening process", just how did that/your implied filtering work? There is a cultural problem, to be sure. People running for their lives are less likely to be the choice crop that we take as economic immigrants.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Unfortunately, Islam clearly states going to different countries and usurping existing governments is the goal. More tin hat stuff.
Smallc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Ah yes. Free choice. You know some women in Africa say they choose to have FGM done too because it makes them a desirable mate. Why do you suppose women get implants? If you don't see the difference I really can't help you. Because willingly getting breast implants to make yourself feel better about your appearance is the same as being forced to have your clitoris removed. See above.
drummindiver Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 It's not my fault you people know absolutely nothing about FGM other than your ideological rants about keeping Muslims out of the country. What I won't stand for is you sitting her and even suggesting that I support it when I'm vehemently opposed to it. What I'm doing here is correcting your stunning ignorance on the topic. If you don't care to understand anything about the practices, when they originated (before Islam even arrived in Africa), or what the people in those countries think about the practice, then piss off. But don't sit here and put words in my mouth and insult me by saying I support such abhorrent acts. Take your scumbag bullshit trolling routine somewhere else. Uh, you are the one who defended it...twice when I make a mistake, I acknowledge it, and hopefully move on You cannot even admit it was wrong to defend And the "you people" is getting old. You're right, what I know about FGM is that it is a human rights violation,and that no woman would want it, regardless of how good a mate it would make them I'm happy you know so much about it you feel knowledgeable enough to defend it
drummindiver Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 You shouldn't just make stuff up. It makes you look foolish. Weren't you arguing yesterday that 75% of the refugees were young men? CC claimed that women and children shouldn't make up 2/3 of the refugees as the ratio of men to women was 1-1.01 I claimed otherwise. Thanks for letting me know you try to keep up.
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 If you don't see the difference I really can't help you. Of course there's a difference, but can you really not see how cultures where plastic surgery is not prevalent or not acceptable might think that someone going under the knife to alter their body to fit a very narrow beauty standard is also barbaric? Hell, male circumcision is starting to be considered barbaric and for how long did doctors and parents here just assume that's what should be done? Michael Hardner, may he rest in peace, pointed out many times on this forum how when you get down to brass tacks and flesh out exactly what's offensive about actions that people will explain away those things in our culture but point them out as examples in other cultures. Nobody anywhere should be mutilating little girls genitals. It's an abhorrent practice. But calling out FGM was attached to keeping "Muslims" out of Canada and fast-tracking Christians. It's so stunningly ignorant it's tough to even find somewhere to begin. First of all, FGM is not strictly a Muslim thing. It's an African thing and it predates Islam's arrival in Africa. It's also practiced by some Christians in Africa too. Secondly, "honour" killings were brought up and when I pointed out that this is something that's predominantly a Sikh practice, that was shrugged aside in order to complain some more about Muslims. We haven't even gotten into the arranged marriage thing yet. At the end of the day, every single one of these things are illegal here and completely unacceptable here. As Peter F keeps trying to point out to you, it's pretty hard for us to stop people from practicing this in their own countries. If people want to come here and they meet the requirements then we should allow them because it's far more likely that they will abandon those practices in our society. And if they don't, we're actually able to prosecute perpetrators of these heinous activities and protect the victims. But, no. We're not going to have an honest discussion about this. Instead I'm going to wade through post after post of assholes claiming I'm pro-FGM! That I support "honour" killings. That I love those cultures and want Canada to turn into that.
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Uh, you are the one who defended it...twice Quit trolling.
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