Keepitsimple Posted July 21, 2015 Report Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) It was only a matter of time. With the Liberals sliding into irrelevance, they've finally turned their guns on Mulcair and the NDP. Still a long way to go but the Liberal shift is the gift that the Conservatives were waiting for - squabbling on the Left as they bash each others' policies. The dynamics have changed. Where once Justin Trudeau shrugged off the NDP, insisting his opponent was Stephen Harper, the Liberal Leader has made the telltale decision to switch targets. ................................................................... It is the Liberals who cannot afford to wait. Mr. Trudeau now leads a nervous party. It fears what the NDP long feared: being out of the race before a campaign officially begins. The Liberals have to try to cut Mr. Mulcair’s momentum back. And in doing so, they are underlining how much things have changed. Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-switches-targets-in-bid-to-cut-mulcairs-momentum-in-polls/article25598316/ Edited July 21, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted July 21, 2015 Report Posted July 21, 2015 why would anyone listen to Trudeau/Liberals? He/they... just aren't ready! ya ya, Simple! It will be a bloodbath between Liberals and NDP... and they'll both completely forget about Harper, right? Quote
eyeball Posted July 21, 2015 Report Posted July 21, 2015 many Liberals have another reason for wanting to hit the NDP now: the idea that Liberal and NDP voters are part of a pool that wants change and will turn to whomever they think can provide it.Hopefully there is also a pool of voters who will continue parking their votes until these two get over themselves and form one left-wing party in Canada.The left just isn't ready I guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Keepitsimple Posted July 21, 2015 Author Report Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) why would anyone listen to Trudeau/Liberals? He/they... just aren't ready! Well.....as we've all been waiting for - now he's going to have to prove them wrong, get a backbone, face the media unscripted, put some passion and substance into his arguments - and show Canadians that he indeed has the Royal Jelly. Or will the "attack ads" prove accurate? We'll be finding out. Bets? Edited July 21, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Topaz Posted July 21, 2015 Report Posted July 21, 2015 Justin may not be ready or is ready, only time will tell.. BUT go back and look at Harper's early time as PM. The party tried to bribe a MP, charges of election fraud, over spending MP's, shutting down the media, etc., etc., we lived through it and the party hasn't changed much and therefore, the Tories are over due to go, and that's why many decided to quit the party. It looks like it will be up to the GTA, what happens to the country on election day. Quote
Shady Posted July 21, 2015 Report Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) As was already said, it was only a matter of time. Just wait until the Conservatives launch their attack on Mulcair as well. He's gonna get it from both sides. Edited July 21, 2015 by Shady Quote
The_Squid Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Duffy/Wright .... There won't even need to be ads by the opposition once this starts up again. Quote
Smallc Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Duffy/Wright .... There won't even need to be ads by the opposition once this starts up again. No one paid attention the first time. I expect more of the same. Quote
hitops Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 The $15 a day daycare plan is enough reason on its own for me not to vote NDP. Having kids is a choice, and it's obscene to make me pay for your choice to have kids. Pay for your own damn kids, or don't have them. Not only should we not do $15 day a daycare, we should scrap the UCCB. (This is from a guy with 2 kids) Quote
The_Squid Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 No one paid attention the first time. I expect more of the same. lol keep telling yourself that.... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Well.....as we've all been waiting for - now he's going to have to prove them wrong, get a backbone, face the media unscripted, put some passion and substance into his arguments - and show Canadians that he indeed has the Royal Jelly. Or will the "attack ads" prove accurate? We'll be finding out. Bets? I'm not the least bit surprised, the Liberal Party isn't only fighting for this election, but its future relevance in Canadian Politics.........I fully expect, behind close doors I might add, the Liberals know they will not form Government, either alone or as a senior partner (with the NDP or Tories) and now must fight to form the Official Opposition.......I fully expect the Liberals to open up their war chest and bag of political tricks in the months weeks ahead, jumping into the wake of the looming Tory machine. Quote
Smallc Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 lol keep telling yourself that.... Until I see evidence to the contrary I will. The trial so far has been a snooze fest. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Until I see evidence to the contrary I will. The trial so far has been a snooze fest. Ya think so? I'll bet you there are tons of folks just waiting for Aug. 11 to hear what Wright has to say on the stand under oath. And of course the grand finale will be when Duffy himself steps up there. Quote
Smallc Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Ya think so? I'll bet you there are tons of folks just waiting for Aug. 11 to hear what Wright has to say on the stand under oath. And of course the grand finale will be when Duffy himself steps up there. Well, we know there's you and squid. Not quite a ton, but at least two. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Well, we know there's you and squid. Not quite a ton, but at least two. Oh I think there's a lot more than two of us. PnP followed the trial daily until it recessed, and when asked to weigh in on a certain question that had come up, often hundreds would text in a response, and that's just one show. Perhaps you just hope you can wish it away, or you live under a rock, but, sorry, people are very interested in finding out the truth of what actually went on in the PMO. Quote
Smallc Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Oh I think there's a lot more than two of us. PnP followed the trial daily until it recessed, and when asked to weigh in on a certain question that had come up, often hundreds would text in a response, and that's just one show. Perhaps you just hope you can wish it away, or you live under a rock, but, sorry, people are very interested in finding out the truth of what actually went on in the PMO. Yeah, like I said, I'll believe it when I see it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Yeah, like I said, I'll believe it when I see it. August 11th. What's too bad is we don't, unlike the US, allow TV cameras in court so we have to rely on reporters renditions. But of course the court will be overflowing with them as has been the case so far. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 I campaigned for the Progressive Conservative Party in every Federal Election since 1962 until Peter MacKay stabbed the party in the back. Now, I just sit back and watch to see who is closest to the values of Sir John A. Most campaigns are decided in the last 7 to 10 days. Beyond that, making predictions is only a game. Predictions and public opinion polls mean nothing until after Thanksgiving. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Smallc Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 August 11th. What's too bad is we don't, unlike the US, allow TV cameras in court so we have to rely on reporters renditions. But of course the court will be overflowing with them as has been the case so far. Yeah it would be much better to turn the trial into a showboating exercise. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 Yeah it would be much better to turn the trial into a showboating exercise. Oh well, we'll get a lot of first hand reportage in any case. Quote
eyeball Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 I'm not the least bit surprised, the Liberal Party isn't only fighting for this election, but its future relevance in Canadian Politics.........I fully expect, behind close doors I might add, the Liberals know they will not form Government, either alone or as a senior partner (with the NDP or Tories) and now must fight to form the Official Opposition.......I fully expect the Liberals to open up their war chest and bag of political tricks in the months weeks ahead, jumping into the wake of the looming Tory machine. I certainly hope the Liberals fade to nothing. I'll never forgive them for the hand they had in the Destruction of Fisheries on the west coast - as far as I'm concerned we should default to a two party political/governing system anyway if we insist on FPTP. I think the centre is the real bane of our existence. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 I certainly hope the Liberals fade to nothing. I'll never forgive them for the hand they had in the Destruction of Fisheries on the west coast - as far as I'm concerned we should default to a two party political/governing system anyway if we insist on FPTP. I think the centre is the real bane of our existence. The death of the Liberal Party of Canada and the formation of essentially a two-party system has been the goal of Prime Minister Harper for decades.......of the belief that in such a system, a center-right political party will form Government ~70% of the time, as evident by the fact that though the majority of Canadians are socially liberal/progressive, they are also fiscally conservative.. Many said Harper would change Canada "forever"......look no further then the Liberal and NDP both campaigning on some sort of tax relief and refusal to suggest (openly) they would spend Canada into the red....... Quote
eyeball Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 I'll believe it when I see it but in any case from where I'm sitting we have been governed centre right almost all my working life. As far as Canada changing forever...if it never was the country we were taught it was then so what? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 The death of the Liberal Party of Canada and the formation of essentially a two-party system has been the goal of Prime Minister Harper for decades.......of the belief that in such a system, a center-right political party will form Government ~70% of the time, as evident by the fact that though the majority of Canadians are socially liberal/progressive, they are also fiscally conservative.. Many said Harper would change Canada "forever"......look no further then the Liberal and NDP both campaigning on some sort of tax relief and refusal to suggest (openly) they would spend Canada into the red....... Maybe what you are referring to is Harper saying "you won't recognize Canada when I am finished with it." Quote
Peter F Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 The Libs ain't done yet, and I suspect they never will be. This ain't the USofA and a two party system will never catch on. Canada has an entirely different history. There are many many thousands of people who switched votes between libs and conservative and vice versa. They haven't and are not going away. The libs may be down now but they are far far from out. Just like the cons after Mulroney. Doomed, everyone said, irrelevant everyone said. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
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