Smallc Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Nope: that's an Eastern thing. I don't know about that. We call it that in Manitoba (though to be fair, that's what it is here). Quote
Civis Romanus sum Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 For starters I'd like to see us accept that human beings are fleeing the ME in the first place because of all the weapons and reasons to use them the world including us, has been flooding the region with the last 100 years or more. Weapons are freely available throughout the world. Well, except in Canada. The difference between the ME and the rest of the world is the stark, unforgiving cruelty being preached by so many Islamic religious leaders. Quote
Rue Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Civis on this board you have a contingency of contributors who blame Harper. They react to symptoms of Muslim civil war by blaming him. They won't admit the dead baby they suddenly feel guilty about is a symptom of Muslim on Muslim violence, terrorism, religious fundamentalism. Its easier to blame Harper then ask, who is causing these people to flee. Why are the wealthy nations of the Arab League once again just like with Palestinians doing nothing. You think they will ask will China Russia take in Syrians? Of course not. What gets me is the sudden selective outrage, Black babies have been washing up in Greece, Italy and on many islands for years now, not a peep. Why the sudden outrage? Why its a white baby. Coincidence? Civis I argue he worst intolerant racists are the knee jerk liberals. They are selective in what they feel outraged over based on their prejudices. Harper was the only politician to say, the cause of this is ISIL and Muslim terrorism and we need to fight it. The same Trudeau and Mulcair suddenly exploiting a picture for votes believe they will solve the problem ignoring terrorists slaughtering and killing people and simply addressing their own guilt. Do these idiots thing picking an arbitrary number like 30,000 will absolve Canada of further guilt? What selective b.s. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) -del- Edited September 4, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
Guest Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 What gets me is the sudden selective outrage, Black babies have been washing up in Greece, Italy and on many islands for years now, not a peep. Why the sudden outrage? Why its a white baby. Coincidence? Civis I argue he worst intolerant racists are the knee jerk liberals. They are selective in what they feel outraged over based on their prejudices. The difference is that he made the front page The Med is full of dead men, women, and children, but this one had his picture taken. That's all. History is rife with galvanising news photos. Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 We like to think that Canada is quite generous in its treatment towards refugees. But are we? Yesterday, Harper made the claim that Canada is the most generous nation in the world at accepting immigrants and refugees. However, when looking at refugee acceptance statistics, it turns out that Harper wasn't speaking the truth. At one point we ranked fifth in the world, but are now down to 33rd in refugees settled, per capita.http://ccrweb.ca/en/how-generous-is-canada Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
cybercoma Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Nope: that's an Eastern thing. Thanks. Everywhere I've lived they've called it hydro. Everywhere I've lived has had dams generating power though. So I stand corrected. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Civis on this board you have a contingency of contributors who blame Harper. You must be reading a different forum. Quote
Army Guy Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 We like to think that Canada is quite generous in its treatment towards refugees. But are we? Yesterday, Harper made the claim that Canada is the most generous nation in the world at accepting immigrants and refugees. However, when looking at refugee acceptance statistics, it turns out that Harper wasn't speaking the truth. At one point we ranked fifth in the world, but are now down to 33rd in refugees settled, per capita. http://ccrweb.ca/en/how-generous-is-canada I see your graph clearly shows that those countries at the top of your list that have excepted refugees are next door to a conflict zone.... Jordan being number one, just a question though does your list include those refugees they've had for 40 years.....it just looks that way.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Hudson Jones Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 We like to think that Canada is quite generous in its treatment towards refugees. But are we? Yesterday, Harper made the claim that Canada is the most generous nation in the world at accepting immigrants and refugees. However, when looking at refugee acceptance statistics, it turns out that Harper wasn't speaking the truth. Notice that he said "immigrants and refugees". There is a difference. Here is a look at what he's saying: Video Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Big Guy Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Perhaps another chart may help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_population The second part - "By Country Of Origin" shows the number of Palestinians who are refugees. Edited September 4, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Cyber you started a thread blaming Harper for the refugee problems. Its there for all to see. My position is this is a non partisan issue. Quote
scribblet Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Cyber you started a thread blaming Harper for the refugee problems. Its there for all to see. My position is this is a non partisan issue. It should be, but as I said, I didn't see anyone going to bat for the millions of black migrants trekking across Europe. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
cybercoma Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 I see your graph clearly shows that those countries at the top of your list that have excepted refugees are next door to a conflict zone.... Jordan being number one, just a question though does your list include those refugees they've had for 40 years.....it just looks that way.... It's just something worth considering when we say, "why does Canada have to accept refugees? Can't their neighbours do it?" Quote
cybercoma Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Cyber you started a thread blaming Harper for the refugee problems. Its there for all to see. My position is this is a non partisan issue. Quote me blaming Harper. I blamed the Harper Government™ for making commitments, not living up to them, creating new commitments, then charging the public to access information on how they're doing. Edited September 4, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
Army Guy Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 It's just something worth considering when we say, "why does Canada have to accept refugees? Can't their neighbours do it?" I gt the point your making, however your using it to show that Canada is no where the top of the list of accepting refugees, when Jordan has had theres for over 40 years now, kind of unfair comparison, also those countries are neibors to a war zone, and have not taken these people in permanently.....it might be interesting to see which countries are doing this..instead of just housing them in camps and shipping them out to others.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Scotty Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Maybe you should start by looking up the difference between an immigrant and a refugee and then bet back to us. What the hell, guy? We were talking about immigration. And you were the one who brought up "especially in light of the current situation". I just asked what that has to do with immigration. Do you even understand the conversation? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Perhaps you have missed the part where Canada participated in turning Libya into a lawless shit hole. Libya has been that for my entire life. It broke open in revolution because of the so-called Arab Spring, which was neither inspired nor instigated by outside powers. That revolution was ongoing and very vicous and brutal long before do-gooders started calling for the West to do something to help the rebels. Now they're bombing Iraq and Syria. Which were also shit holes long before we started, and we started to try and do something to stop it. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) We like to think that Canada is quite generous in its treatment towards refugees. But are we? Yesterday, Harper made the claim that Canada is the most generous nation in the world at accepting immigrants and refugees. However, when looking at refugee acceptance statistics, it turns out that Harper wasn't speaking the truth. You get back to us, buddy, when you can show us a chart of those nations which allow refugees to come and live and work in their cities and get citizenship and the right to vote. I have a feeling almost none of those countries on your list will make the cut. There are millions of Palestinians who have been born in refugee camps which are now cities by any other name, inside the borders of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt, who are still not allowed to live or participate in the political and economic life of the nation they were born in. They are not citizens even though sometimes multiple generations were born there. Edited September 4, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
On Guard for Thee Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 What the hell, guy? We were talking about immigration. And you were the one who brought up "especially in light of the current situation". I just asked what that has to do with immigration. Do you even understand the conversation? Apparently you still don't understand the difference between an immigrant and a refugee. Quote
Scotty Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Apparently you still don't understand the difference between an immigrant and a refugee. I understand that we were talking about immigration when you said "especially in light of the current situation" which would seem to indicate to me that it's YOU who doesn't understand the difference. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Keepitsimple Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 I understand that we were talking about immigration when you said "especially in light of the current situation" which would seem to indicate to me that it's YOU who doesn't understand the difference. On Guard has trouble remembering his deflections sometimes. He gets a little confused. Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 On Guard has trouble remembering his deflections sometimes. He gets a little confused. Are you having difficulty with the meaning of the words as well? They are well explained in Merriam Webster, for instance. Quote
waldo Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 You get back to us, buddy, when you can show us a chart of those nations which allow refugees to come and live and work in their cities and get citizenship and the right to vote. I have a feeling almost none of those countries on your list will make the cut. There are millions of Palestinians who have been born in refugee camps which are now cities by any other name, inside the borders of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt, who are still not allowed to live or participate in the political and economic life of the nation they were born in. They are not citizens even though sometimes multiple generations were born there. in 5 short years... Harper has driven Canada from 5th to 15th place in the list of countries receiving refugees - UNHCR Asylum Trends: you're welcome. . Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Notice that he said "immigrants and refugees". There is a difference. Here is a look at what he's saying: Video Oh I'm aware... Also notice that he said immigrants and refugees in a speech specifically about accepting displaced peoples....not economic immigrants. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
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